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Posted: 7/16/2001 5:08:29 PM EDT
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I'm sure they weren't surprised--just figured they've got more work to do with the propaganda.
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Posted: 7/16/2001 5:14:24 PM EDT
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bastards!
i missed the story, i was here. what happened? some cabby shot some dirtbags who deserved it and they're upset about it? tv in other room. |
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Posted: 7/16/2001 5:21:01 PM EDT
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found it. boy they must have been praying for that one... bastards.
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Posted: 7/16/2001 5:23:17 PM EDT
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NOTE: this has nothing to do with the "issue," but...
What you're missing is that these polls are not in any way "scientific", meaning they aren't an accurate representation of the country at large. Thus, there's really not much point in even having them, and even less point in commenting about them at length. Now, if you could commission a poll that randomly sampled 10,000 people across the US, THEN you'd have data that *might* be worth reporting. -Troy |
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Posted: 7/16/2001 5:25:36 PM EDT
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Quoted: NOTE: this has nothing to do with the "issue," but... What you're missing is that these polls are not in any way "scientific", meaning they aren't an accurate representation of the country at large. Thus, there's really not much point in even having them, and even less point in commenting about them at length. Now, if you could commission a poll that randomly sampled 10,000 people across the US, THEN you'd have data that *might* be worth reporting. -Troy |
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Posted: 7/16/2001 5:26:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: NOTE: this has nothing to do with the "issue," but... What you're missing is that these polls are not in any way "scientific", meaning they aren't an accurate representation of the country at large. Thus, there's really not much point in even having them, and even less point in commenting about them at length. Now, if you could commission a poll that randomly sampled 10,000 people across the US, THEN you'd have data that *might* be worth reporting. -Troy Please stop pissing in the stew. LOL |
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Posted: 7/16/2001 5:29:15 PM EDT
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Well put beekeeper, in this case beer, rather than stew.
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Posted: 7/16/2001 5:33:16 PM EDT
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Troy, you can bet your ass that if this had gone the way they wanted it to they would have been crowing about it.
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Posted: 7/16/2001 5:37:37 PM EDT
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Troy,
as often as it was discussed last november, I think we all remember the story about polls and the Hoover/Roosevelt election and all. But, reality is that, while the percentages vary, these polls and scientific polls share the same winner 90 percent of the time. Besides look what just the PERCEPTION of loosing almost did to GW in November. |
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Posted: 7/16/2001 5:57:20 PM EDT
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Again, I wasn't arguing the issue. I think everyone here knows where I stand on CCW (think: Vermont).
But they have a legitimate reason for not making too much of an Internet poll, and I was just trying to keep things in perspective. And, in that spirit, I'm sure there would have been DOZENS of posts pointing this out if the "pro-CCW" numbers had been at 24%, and rightfully so. Of *course*, one can write a poll question that will generate the kind of results you are seeking (i.e., Have you stopped beating your wife?). My point is simply that no voluntary web-page Internet poll is going to correctly represent the US population. That's true whether we agree or disagree with the poll results. -Troy |
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Posted: 7/16/2001 6:07:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By LARRY G: Troy, you can bet your ass that if this had gone the way they wanted it to they would have been crowing about it. |
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Posted: 7/16/2001 6:33:32 PM EDT
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What was it Twain said? Liars figure and figures lie.
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Posted: 7/16/2001 6:48:46 PM EDT
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That was some incredibly biased leftist reporting today by ABC news. No wonder I never watch TV news anymore!
They never mentioned how drunk the two rich kids were, nor did they look for any cases where the rich kids had attacked or beaten someone but not been arrested. They also published incomplete drug tests, and only for one perp. They did not mention John Lott's research, or that fact that for every concealed carry holder who commits a crime there are hundreds of crimes averted. They did not mention that concealed carry holders nationwide are much less likely to be arrested than cops! ABC News sucks. Disney sucks. GunLvr |
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Posted: 7/16/2001 6:48:48 PM EDT
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I believe he also said, "There are liars, damn liars, and statisticians."
You can manipulate the wording of any poll to suit your end goal. When the abortion issue is worded "Do you support a woman's right to control her body?" the overwhelming answer is yes. However, when asked "Is it right to kill an unborn child for the convenience of the mother?" The overwhelming response is negative. The ABC poll was particularly skewed because it was worded in such a fashion that CCW were negatively portrayed. The presence of the word "gun" is a dead giveaway. A more neutral poll would have been more like "Yes or No: Law abiding citizens have a right to self protection, including carrying concealed weapons." |
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Posted: 7/16/2001 6:53:34 PM EDT
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This time there was nothing wrong with the wording. The public is tired of gun control, so keying on the word gun was to our benefit.
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Posted: 7/16/2001 7:09:30 PM EDT
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Internet polls can actually be more meaningful in some respects than a truly scientific random sampling. People who don't care about the issue one way or another are essentially filtered out, leaving only those who are motivated enough to move their wrist and click a button a few times. If people won't even click a few links then it's a safe bet that that issue doesn't register on their voter radar screens.
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Posted: 7/16/2001 7:32:46 PM EDT
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Well Said!
Keep up the good work everyone. We will be heard! Bill |
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Posted: 7/16/2001 7:40:03 PM EDT
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Check out the topic message board: [url]boards.go.com/cgi/abcnews/request.dll?LIST&room=concealedcarry [/url]
No anti-gunners are even bothering to come to ABC's defense. |
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Posted: 7/16/2001 8:47:37 PM EDT
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I just saw an ad that Dan Rather is going to do a hatchet job on guns on Tuesdays evening news. I guess he has to do something. His socialist propaganda machine got scooped by ABC's socialist propaganda machine.
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Posted: 7/17/2001 2:56:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: I just saw an ad that Dan Rather is going to do a hatchet job on guns on Tuesdays evening news. I guess he has to do something. His socialist propaganda machine got scooped by ABC's socialist propaganda machine. No, he isnt going to do a hatchet job on guns, he is going to do a hatchet job on A gun- the Remington Model 700 safety thing again, they are doing a update on how "the government isnt doing anything to protect us" crap. Personally I havent watched CBS in years, not after they butchered Audi over that "unintended acceleration" crap. |
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Posted: 7/17/2001 3:08:08 PM EDT
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Read the responses, the one where some fellow found the poll missing, not even saved in the "poll vault" really upset him.
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Posted: 7/17/2001 4:59:00 PM EDT
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Re Dan Rather, it really is sad to realize how much he has changed over the years.
For you young guys who don't know, Rather was a reporter for a Dallas TV station on November 22, 1963, and came to national attention as the CBS Dallas affilliate's on the spot guy at the time of the JFK assasination. Shortly after he got to New York, he came home to find his apartment being burglerized, AND STOPPED THE BURGLER WITH HIS HANDGUN!!!! My how the times have changed! |
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Posted: 7/17/2001 6:25:32 PM EDT
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[i]To put it succinctly: [u]Phuck Dan "Blather"![/u][/i]
"what ever happened to even modest gun control measures in the U.S. Congress. Apparently not much." --Dan Rather - CBS Evening News, November 3, 1999. "[The Oklahoma school shooting] focuses attention again on... The leadership of the National Rifle Association -- not all of the membership, but the leadership [Charlton Heston] -- would not want that mentioned, but there it is." --Dan Rather in "Rather's Notebook" at the CBS News Web site, December 3, 1999. "In Michigan a 19-year-old man was arraigned today.. .. push and the prospects for even modest new gun control laws." --Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News, March 2, 2000. "President Clinton urged Congress to pass at least modest measures.. ..to do more to keep guns away from criminals and children." --Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News, March 1, 2000. "What a difference a day makes. The Republican-led U.S. Senate is backing off and looking for a way out just 24 hours after rejecting a modest gun control measure. The potent gun lobby and its allies in Congress are changing their strategy under wide-ranging and withering fire, especially in the wake of reaction to the Columbine High School massacre." --Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News, May 13, 1999. "The shootings in Killeen were the latest tragedy highlighting the success of the gun lobby fighting gun control." --Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News, October 23, 1991. Note: A mass murder, according to Rather, highlights the success of the gun lobby. "With that I rammed a shell into the chamber of a shotgun. There is no mistaking that sound. Within seconds the intruders, or whatever they were, had fled." --Dan Rather in The Camera Never Blinks, 1977. The NRA, the "once all-powerful gun lobby..." --Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News, May 20, 1994. "Against the backdrop of that Georgia school shooting today and the much more serious shooting here in Littleton last month, there was at least a minor setback today for the gun lobby and its allies in Congress. The Senate reversed course and approved a modest gun control measure." --Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News, May 20, 1999. When NAACP filed a lawsuit against gun manufacturers: "It was launched by one of the nation's most-respected and largest civil rights organizations." --Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News, July 12, 1999. Note: In 1994 Dan Rather hosted a $175-a-plate fund-raiser for the NAACP Legal Defense Fund's 40th anniversary. "You may be surprised at how many states have no gun laws at all and at the relationship between gun laws and gun deaths in the fifty states. --Dan Rather in an online preview of the Evening News, April 14, 2000 Schieffer; Oklahoma had seen the latest school shooting: RATHER (TO KEATING):"Governor, it's my understanding you are unalterably opposed to any kind of additional gun control, including handgun control. Is that correct?" RATHER (TO SCHIEFFER): "So what if anything does this latest school shooting mean for prospects of getting even modest new gun control measures... --Dan Rather CBS Evening News, 12, 6, 1999. [url]http://www.ratherbiased.com/guns.htm[/url] |
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Posted: 7/17/2001 6:31:50 PM EDT
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Can you say.....HYPOCRITE?.......[shotgun]
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