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Posted: 7/23/2005 9:07:57 AM EDT
First let me qualify this report by saying it came from World Net Daily. A news outlet I usualy find Suspect at best. However, because this incident is reported to have occured, just up the road from me, in my home state...any other information or news sources verifying or regarding this incident would be very helpful.
Oh yeah....HOLY SHIT |
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Well it was reported that back in 1994 members of a certain terrorist group we all know and love had smuggled in some stingers and the russian or chineese counterparts through the souther border. Reports showed up around 1999 as well of other incidents where thigns were supossedly smuggled in. After the 1994 incidents the clinton administration had the FAA warm the airlines about this. It's showed up in other places besides WND. At least stories aobut the warning by the FAA. The smuggleing stories also showed up in a couple other places besides WND. I wouldn't doubt it's possible that it could have happened, but if it did, than why have they not been used yet is my only question. Kind of an if AQ had a nuke, they would have used it by now type thing in my eyes. It's possible, but a little out there to believe it is true.
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I wouldn't think that the "tangos" would mess with a military jet. They would risk it for a commercial flight full of targets. So, I really doubt this story.
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You would also have non-stop media coverage complete with talking heads, and a blizzard of police/FBI intel bulletins. I haven't seen either. |
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Don't forget all the media outlets blaming Bush and his Supreme Court nomination as the root cause. |
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As far as I can track the story down....WND seems to have gotten it from Roger Charles over at "Soldiers for the Truth" SFTT...David Hackworth's old site....they ran it like back on the 18th and claim to have the Airforce directive related to this incident in hand.
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if they were to bring down i few commercial jets on different occasions, i really cant imagine what the impact on the economy or air travel would be. might even be more damaging then the trade centers. |
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Go back and look at all the buzz around TWA flight 800. At the time there was a huge buzz about this, the IRanian government suposedly said around that time that they knew for a fact that stingers had been smuggled into the USA.
Something a little newer.
link to a CBS story from 03 |
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And you know this is true because why? How?? Got something to back that statment up??? Pics perhaps? |
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If it were true they would have fired the rocket.
If it were true, the AF would never release the info, especially to WND. Its the same type of news source that said 400 died in Hrricane Charley and thousands in Andrew. 100% of the crap these folks put out is 100% made up BS. All the conspiracy nutjobs make up stuff all the time because they are pathetic miserable folks who are not happy with reality. I know because I use to get into the conspiracy stuff, but once I took a look into the mindset behind it all, I was laughing at idiocy all the time. HEck just to prove my point I made up some crap and weeks later I heard it related back to me as if it were true. They even went as far as to tel me they saw it with their own eyes, some said a "good friend" saw it. I told them that there were some Russian BTR-60's manuevering in the Everglades and some were in a hangar being painted white with UN markings. I am serious. People actually related the story back to me as if it were true. They had no clue I made it up and the folks I worked with were laughing eveytime a conspiracy fruitcake related the story to them. I am not saying you are that type or beleive it. I do know what its like to have some conspiracy internet crap reported about something near your home. One cant help to keep an eye on it "just in case" Nothing wrong with that at all. There was a "detention center" being built by me. It ended up being a middle school ,or thats what I am supposed to think. LOL |
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Unless of course, the terrorists are as good at maintaining their rocket launchers, as they are at mixing acetone/peroxide back pack bombs. As for why it would not be on CNN....Well, I've seen a number of stories that CNN did'nt pick up on, that I thought were pretty important. News stories slip though the cracks all the time. Often because they are first published on out of the way web sites like "Soldiers for the Truth" of tin foil factories, like WND. or because the big national news organs either can verify the source quickly and are waiting for more info to emerge. Remember how long it took, for info regarding John Kerry's military service in Vietnam to fully come out and that in the beginning, the Swift Boat Vets were treated as Cranks by most of the National Media. That, and the fact, I would'nt doubt for a second doubt, the fact, that if the FBI was sitting on a terrorist rocket launcher recovered, just outside an Airforce base, here in the CONUS.... It's not information they'd be in a hurry to release, in the current state of world affairs, for fear of starting a panic, which would keep people from getting on airliners, or simply because they think they could more quickly track down the subjects involved without a media panic. Sometimes however these stories bubble to the surface. no matter how tightly they'd like to keep the lid on it. So I'm not totaly sure this story can be discounted quite so quickly You have to remember that not everybody in Al Qaeda is a super sophisticated Carlos the Jackle....just before 9-11 they had guys in airline pilot schools who only wanted to learn how to take the plane off, but were not to intrested in learning how to land!. So it woundn't suprise me to much, to learn that they'd fucked up a MANPAD launch. |
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There are other reasons why it might not have lauched too. I've ben looking around and found this artical by a soviet military guy who fought in Astan and he mentioned that they found that sometimes if you get your lock and you don't fire within a min the battery pack would die and you'd have to change it. This was suposedly a problem with the older stingers. So maybe they tried to shoot it down and the thing malfunctioned...... I'll see if I can find the artical again. |
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I trust Blatherman since he is a B-1B flyer type.
Second, at least part of the story is bullshit, the USAF does not issue "directives" for "news stories". A USAF "directive" directs (funny how that works) that some one or something must be accomplished. The USAF directive that prohibited USAF personnel based in Britain from venturing inside the M25 after the first London bombings for instance......
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This is why some security forces are trained as snipers. Its usually a long shot from the perimeter fence to the flight line.
If it were true they would have probably just shot them. |
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Sounds to me, if it's true, that it might have been an anti-terrorism exercise that someone who wasn't briefed saw.
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We got word of this the night it happened. Frankly I was shocked to see the thread, thinking it was all still 'Law Enforcement Channels Only'. Of course there's other stuff not in that article I'm not going to divulge.
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I found this. Authenticity unknown.
www.sftt.us/cgi-bin/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=Unlisted%2edb&command=viewone&id=36 |
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Sounds good to me. It helps a bit when you know the credentials of somone saying something, and since you provided those(in a way) cool. Somone else contacted me in regards to this as well and I am more than willing to believe it is true. Looks like things could get interesting. |
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No hunting season or size limits or even weapons limits are in force for hunting terrorists.
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This sentance alone tells me this story is BS.The Air Force SEEN THEM but they got away ? What did they get away in , a hyper- lightspeed UFO ? Or did the AF guys decide that thier upcomming coffee and donut break was more important that catching someone aiming a rocket at a plane ? |
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They don't have machine guns and helicopters to stop them from "leaving the area" Sorry, I call too. |
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07-15-2005 ALERT: Danger to US Commercial & Military Aircraft in CONUS By Roger Charles The following "REAL WORLD" notice was just received from an SFTT supporter. The full notice is a 2-page document posted below. The danger to US commercial & military aircraft in CONUS appears to be very real.
Ok...First of all, let me state, that this came from an open source, availible to anybody with an internet connection. While anybody familiar with military document's, could have written this....I'm starting to lean twards the idea, this is for real. The reason for my concern should be obvious. I live in Stillwater Oklahoma. A large university town (OSU), less than an hour away from Tinker AFB, strait up I-35. Oklahoma City and Norman (OU) both have sizable muslim populations as well, but it occure's to me, that most of the London Bombers, lived in Muslim Communities outside, but within easy driving range of LONDON and that living in smaller muslim communities outside the primary target area, may be Al Qaeda doctrine. College towns like Stillwater, are the only places outside the OKC and Tulsa Metro areas, in Oklahoma, that a terrorist of Middle Eastern decent, could fade into a community of people that looked like them. So in other words...Stillwater would be a great place for a cell aimed at Oklahoma City to hide I'm not standing outside screaming "LOCK-N-LOAD MOTHERFUCKERS"...but I do want to know more about this deal. |
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Strange how the phone number listed is for the 75th Security Forces Control Center (DSN 777-3056 or commercial at 801-777-3056) which is located at HILL AIR FORCE BASE!! and not the Tinker AFB 72nd Security Forces which is located at Tinker Air Foce Base.
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Battle Staff Directive (BSD)—Directives issued from wing leadership. BSDs typically contain guidance on knock/chemical codes, MOPP procedures, operating requirements, duress words, etc.
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Nobody said that the USAF released it. |
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Not that strange really. Tinker and Hill are both Air Longistics Command hubs. It's possible that the report went up the chain from Tinker to Hill and that the TALON was issued back down the chain to Tinker from Hill. |
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OK, strange how the road, highway and freeway references are from HILL AFB and not Tinker.
I was stationed at Tinker AFB for almost 3 years with the Navy, I have "some" inside info and this memo did not come from Tinker AFB no matter how much anyone wants to believe it did. Based on what Blatherman posted I have no doubt this happened.
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Possibly, what we are seeing, is the security directive for Hill AFB...that was issued because of the Tinker AFB Incident.
These security directives may have been issued at all major Airforce bases nationwide...the one that was leaked to SFTT, may just have come from Hill, instead of Tinker where the incident actually occured. |
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I don't buy it.
The "directive" comes from the battlestaff at Tinker. Yet the info is for Hill AFB. Again, I think this "directive" is bullshit, however, my opinion is that this incident happened.
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Please explain(in your opinion of course) the course of events.
Ok,so they were observed aiming a weapon towards a low flying aircraft.Let's just say for the sake of argument this action didn't raise any "let's call for backup" or "we better cancel our tennis lessons" scenarios.
Who approached them ?
What threat ?This one or the possibility that something like this might happen ? This report is BS. |
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HTF does one get close enough to determine a subject is of "Middle Eastern descent" yet remain unable to apprehend the subject? And you know, sTinker ain't exactly in downtown NYC, ferChissakes. While I find it easy to believe something happened in the vicinity of Tinker on or about the date indicated, the details remain suspect. |
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SO did this happen at Tinker AFB or Hill AFB? I'm confused now
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DzlBenz
Actually...Tinker is surrounded by large highways and every sort of urban and residential terrain Imaginable. It's also surrounded by a pretty good fence in most places. If the Air Police were on a service road inside the fence, when they observed the subjects. The subjects, may well have had time to pile back into their vehical, and hit the nearest thoughfair out of the area, before the Air Police could drive down the fence, far enough to find a gate, leading directly off base and on to the route, the subjects drove away on. Likewise, unless there was a OHP or OKCPD cruiser sitting in just the right spot to intercept the subjects, they very likely would have just disappeared into the highway system, like the "D.C. Sniper's". |
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OMIGOSH!!! I Can't believe you posted that aerial photo!!!!11 DOn't you know that you just gave the terrorists ideas?!?!?!111 </sarcasm> |
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He was the one holding the rocket. He was planning on shooting a payload of paint designed to spell out "Feinstein sucks" on her private plane and got a little lost. |
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BigB
Well BigB....We'er trying to determine if it's true or not. Here in the world of the internet board, thats whats known as a thread discussion. We'er deeply sorry if if our BS Story, has distracted you, in any way, from much more important threads, like "HOW TO KILL A SWAT TEAM". |
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Yes I see, That site with the story is questionable and I havent seen anything else anywhere. Who knows. I wasnt asking the poster why he was posting a BS story I ment why would a news agency make something so drastic up? |
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My question is how reliable is a 20+ year old Stinger or SAM-7? I would suspect without depot level maintainence, not very.
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