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Posted: 7/13/2005 2:57:02 AM EDT
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Huge power output for its size, smaller target, cloaking, ablative armor, quantum torpedoes, wicked maneuverability and a very small crew to risk in combat. Yeah, it's impressive as hell and would be a total pain in the ass to defend against. Probably one of the best "bang for the buck" designs ever to come from the Star Fleet drawing boards. |
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Posted: 7/13/2005 3:00:24 AM EDT
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Klingon Bird of Prey...I like their attitude
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Posted: 7/13/2005 3:00:43 AM EDT
[#3]
or the original Space Battleship Yamato. |
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Posted: 7/13/2005 11:05:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/13/2005 11:08:45 AM EDT
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Star Wars!!!
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Posted: 7/13/2005 11:18:11 AM EDT
[#6]
Quark!
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Posted: 7/13/2005 11:20:22 AM EDT
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First Sci-fi movie I remember...  The Valley Forge and the Berkshire |
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Posted: 7/13/2005 11:23:25 AM EDT
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I think that the Star Destoyers are the coolest big ships in any movie, but I kind of like the look of the ship in Galaxy Quest. It is much cooler than the Star Trek ships.
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Posted: 7/13/2005 11:25:12 AM EDT
[#9]
Do I win?
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Posted: 7/13/2005 11:31:57 AM EDT
[#10]
Those ships are rather phallic 
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Posted: 7/13/2005 11:33:52 AM EDT
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Romi is hotter, but her big brother - Rath of Achileles is far more bad ass.
I can also apreaciate a cloaked bird of prey. Magog homeworld would kick deathstar butt. It took a nova bomb and shrugged it off. It's point singularity cannon is a planet killer |
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Posted: 7/13/2005 12:09:26 PM EDT
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He He He I'd like to see how it would handle a Genesis Torpedo.....  Reduce ship/asteroid/space station/planet/nebula to a sub atomic level and rebuild to YOUR design. Then sit back and watch the new design rapidly age and self destruct. Two Big Explosions for the price of one! Kind like an encore performance.
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Posted: 7/13/2005 12:21:47 PM EDT
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Don't forget the Dreadnought class in Star Trek. Way back in the good ol days, there was a class of star ships that were designed similar to the enterprise, but with an extra warp nacelle. The third nacelle wasn't so much for propulsion as for providing the massive amount of power that all the weapons systems needed. Where the Enterprise was designed to be an exploration vessel first and battleship second, the Dreadnought was a battleship, period. |
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Posted: 7/13/2005 12:30:58 PM EDT
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Only if you share the good niborg! |
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Posted: 7/13/2005 12:34:12 PM EDT
[#15]
Suspect the tarpedo would have no effect - never get past the shields to have raw material to work with. |
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Posted: 7/13/2005 12:41:56 PM EDT
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You just gotta let your hands work the controls as if you were straight. |
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Posted: 7/13/2005 12:46:34 PM EDT
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Sheilds?  Not a problem when you can use phased cloaking...Even then I'd suspec the geneis wave would use the energy of the sheilds. Would make for an interesting show. |
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Posted: 7/13/2005 12:55:48 PM EDT
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Depends on how the Genesis torpedo works, doesn't it. You can shoot down a nuke without setting it off. If hitting the shields has a similar effect, you could destroy the torperdo before it can detonate. I know in the X-Wing games, some of the Capitol ships were quite good at anti-missile defense. Honestly, how capable are Federation photon torpedoes? For years they fought against Klingon ships with cloaking devices, and only out of desperate need does Spock figure out how to make a homing torpedo. And Genesis was intended for use against undefended targets. I don't think it'd stand a chance against the Death Star, particularly if it was screened by a fleet. |
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Posted: 7/13/2005 12:58:33 PM EDT
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Millenium Falcon
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Posted: 7/13/2005 12:59:03 PM EDT
[#20]
Nah, too slow. 
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Posted: 7/13/2005 12:59:21 PM EDT
[#21]
I liked the ships from Homeworld/Homeworld 2.
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Posted: 7/13/2005 1:11:23 PM EDT
[#22]
This is absolutely fascinating, but I've got a life to get back to.
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Posted: 7/13/2005 1:20:27 PM EDT
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IMHO, the star wars stardestroyer is better armed, but I think in a fight with the federation, the feds would win through superior tactics and thinking. But personaly, I just would like to see the fireworks show of such an event.
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Posted: 7/13/2005 1:22:39 PM EDT
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The enterprise was the most advanced due to the Transporter.
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Posted: 7/13/2005 1:30:56 PM EDT
[#25]
Not really use a phased cloak go through the sheild and into the ship, turn shield off - you're back in phase with reality and then detonate.
HAHA You've caught onto the great flaw of the ST writers. They are MORONS. They don't think like engineers or military people. In so many episodes the problems could easily be solved with creative use of their existing technology. But then the writer's wouldn't have a clifhanger to keep you tuned to that channel during the commercial... As bad as Lucas is as a writer, I think he does a better job than the ST writers.
You're fleet means nothing with a phased cloak. The missle will be impossible to detect and it can pass through any matter till it got to it's intended target. Of course even w/o the cloaking the ship would just have to pop out of warp near it's target and launch. (thanks to the superior Federation navigation computers). |
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Posted: 7/13/2005 1:53:48 PM EDT
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[uber nerd mode ON] Warp Nacelles do not generate power. They take the energy created by the Matter/Antimatter Reactor and use that energy via the Warp Coils in the nacelles generate a warp field, thus providing FTL travel while not violating Einstein. I'm taking this from memory of Michael Okuda's "Star Trek: The Next Generation Techincal Manual" (my copy is buried in a box in the garage). This was the first tech guide actually written by people that had anything to do directly with with ANY ST series so I regard it as pretty much the Bilble when it comes to these things. A current allegory would be a gas or steam turbine driving the eletric propuslion motors for a ship. Adding more motors would only make the ship faster (up to a limit), not provide addional power for other system. In reality given the same power output from the turbines, the rest of the ships systems would have LESS power available to them. [/uber nerd mode OFF] Not busting your chops  . One of the things that has soured me on the ST universe as of late is the wholesale rewriting of history and timelines and simply ignoring any tech "facts" that happen to get in the way of a story. Fantasy is a relm where you can change things "just because", with little connection to the "real world". Sci-Fi has (or should have) a grounding in "facts" whether those facts are part of the real world of the here and now, or the created universe that the story exists in. To simply discard things for the sake of the story destroys its credibilty (IMHO)./end vent We now return you to your thread in progress.
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Posted: 7/13/2005 1:54:00 PM EDT
[#27]
Forest,
Did the Genesis torpedo have phased cloak? Or, are you taking one technology of Star Trek and applying it to another? |
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Posted: 7/13/2005 1:55:44 PM EDT
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That one has pissed me off since I first saw the film. That, and Riker standing up to fly the Enterprise with a joystick.  Star Trek needs to stick to being Star Trek, and stop trying to be Star Wars. But I don't think it's fair to compare the writers to Lucas. You are too cruel. |
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Posted: 7/13/2005 2:04:50 PM EDT
[#29]
Hey man, you sure you can land this thing?
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Posted: 7/13/2005 2:54:42 PM EDT
[#30]
[Super-uber-geek mode on] Sorry about my misunderstanding. My views were seriously tainted by the Star Trek Starship Combat Simulator role playing game. You're probably right. I'll go see if I can track down my original copies of the Star Fleet Technical manual and find the answer there. [super-uber-geek mode off] I feel like such a freek now. 
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Posted: 7/13/2005 8:21:34 PM EDT
[#31]
Vorlon Planet Killer.. makes the Death Star look sissy..
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Posted: 7/13/2005 8:36:12 PM EDT
[#32]
Battlestars, old ones!
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Posted: 7/13/2005 8:39:53 PM EDT
[#33]
The Shawdow one was cooler |
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Posted: 7/13/2005 8:44:08 PM EDT
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There's actually one based at the airport in Olympia. We see it flying around once in a while.
'Silent Running' was one of the first movies I bought on DVD. Very cool film way ahead of it's time, as was 2001. |
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Posted: 7/14/2005 2:03:21 AM EDT
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DAMN! Someone beat me me to it! The Vorlon PlanetKiller kicks the ass of everything out there! One of the coolest scenes in a movie or on tv was as the Vorlon Planet Killer moved into postion to destroy Centauri Prime it slowly blotted out the sun. Another ship people forget is Vgyer from Star Trek: the Motion Picture  
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Posted: 7/14/2005 2:22:17 AM EDT
[#36]
Hah! No one, but I mean no one, fucks with the Shadows and Vorlons. Unless, of course, you have a fleet of White Stars and a guy who might as well be God on your side.
 So what if it looks like a plucked chicken.
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Posted: 7/14/2005 6:00:09 AM EDT
[#37]
No, as it was not initially designed as weapon, but as a colonization tool (which happened to be the perfect weapon)
Yep, using those engineering skills so lacking with the writers of ST. Remember at the time of TNG (when the phased cloak was invented) the Genesis was a 70 year old project - should be easy enough to call up in the libary computer and have those wonderful engineers, shops and replicators build more. |
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Posted: 7/14/2005 6:01:42 AM EDT
[#38]
I've always had a thing for the White Stars. Cool looking ships IMHO. |
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Posted: 7/14/2005 6:06:57 AM EDT
[#39]
What, no Serenity?
 And the alliance capital ships look pretty badass...wonder what kind of armament they carry... |
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Posted: 7/14/2005 6:19:31 AM EDT
[#40]
star wars or whatever your talking about is teh gay.
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Posted: 7/14/2005 10:24:26 AM EDT
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Page 3, Skibane. |
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Posted: 7/14/2005 10:27:39 AM EDT
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Serenity is awesome, but given it's lack of weapon systems I'd have to pass on that one. I don't know about you but part of my criteria for coolest starship is the ability to deal out some whup'ass. Serenity is only good at out maneuvering and running away. |
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Posted: 7/14/2005 10:29:07 AM EDT
[#43]
Jayne acting as doorgunner with Vera doesn't count as a weapon system?
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Posted: 7/14/2005 10:44:47 AM EDT
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Their can only be one, the original "starship"
More trim conquered on this biotch then all others put together  
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Posted: 7/14/2005 11:09:04 AM EDT
[#45]
Dahak.
I know someone already posted the book, but he deserves to have a name. |
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Posted: 7/14/2005 11:23:13 AM EDT
[#46]
So it stands to reason, I could invent something in the SW universe to defeat it... Or more likely, the Federation seems to be real down on disruptors. Aren't they illegal? Don't you think the same society that thought a handheld weapon was too eveil even for military use would frown on using Genesis as a weapon? But for that matter, they could just phase shift a photon torpedo into the reactor and have done with it.
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Posted: 7/14/2005 11:37:36 AM EDT
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The what? Never heard of it. |
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Posted: 7/14/2005 11:42:05 AM EDT
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IMPS? SDF-1? Spell it out dammit for those of us who dont know them...
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Posted: 7/14/2005 11:46:32 AM EDT
[#49]
Not from what I've seen in the movies, or few books I've read.
Not illegal they just seem to prefer Phaser technology (Klingon's like disruptors). I couldn't tell you what the difference is as they both can stun, kill, or vaporize a target. I do recall one type of weapon (I don't know if it was a distruptor) that was illegal because it was considered a slow painful death (something like 4 seconds to disintergrate you ).
Nah a Kirk type would always be there to disregard the Hippy/PC B.S to 'Git-R-Done' (lol).
See now you're thinking. ST has some seriously powerful technologies - the writers went for 'kewl' but didn't seem to comprehend how 'god-like' the capabilites were. Great example of the writers lack of foresight. There was a Voyager episode where they were trying to get the Delta Flyer (hot-rod shuttle) to Warp 10. In the New series Warp 10 would allow them to travel anywhere instantly. In the end it was found going that speed would damage your DNA or some such BS. So it was declared a failure and the project dropped. Here is where they F&*cked up: At Warp 9.9999997 they could effectively cross the galaxy in seconds. That was a speed they could attain (and had to get to Warp 10). So what if it takes you seconds/minutes/hours to cross the galaxy instead of doing it instantly. An hour's drive sure beats 40 years at normal speed. Freaking Star Fleet engineers can build a subspace radio out of 2 rocks and a coconut, but they can do simple math and realize 'close enough' is 'good enough'? |
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Posted: 7/14/2005 11:56:41 AM EDT
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Because I haven't written any books... yet.
Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was disruptors. I just remembered there was a handheld that was forbidden. I'm a little weak on ST. There's a lot more film to keep track of that SW.
I've been thinking all along. I wasn't familiar with that particular type of cloaking device in ST. You cought me off guard. Good think Star Fleet would never have managed it.
I don't know. Have they ever really defined warp speed relative to light speed? Didnt someone post a graph showing the "light barrier" in one of the other threads? Would almost be good enough? FWIW Warp 10 was the basis for my idea about doing an ST, SW crossover. The Klingon science officer turned out to be strong in the Force.  Mmmm, Klingon's plus lightsabers. Too bad the Galaxy Class Starship ended up getting clobbered by an ImpStar. 
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