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When will these be available at Wal-Mart? I want one!

Don't forget to thank all the American people who contributed dollars by way of buying "Made in China" crap.

I wonder how good the systems really are.....


Paging LWilde! PAGING LWILDE!

(I'm sure that SOB actuallly served on a prototype of one of these. He's done everything else! )

Quoted: Don't forget to thank all the American people who contributed dollars by way of buying "Made in China" crap.

I guess I should give my Norinco up, huh?

hhmmmmmmmmm

...So it begins...

Don't forget to thank all the American people who contributed dollars by way of buying "Made in China" crap.

And you have absolutely NOTHING made in China in your house/garage/car?

Highly doubtful.

Perhaps in a couple of decades we'll be fighting evil asian communists(again).

Don't forget to thank all the American people who contributed dollars by way of buying "Made in China" crap.

+10   I find myself checking this out automatically, although the fit and finish usually gives it away.
I called Dewalt a few weeks ago to ask where one of their circular saws was made and was disappointed to find it was made in china.

I believe they are potentially our worst enemy today.

Edit to add.....Yes I have china made products in my home, but I make concious effort to avoid it and I lean more towards quality not quanity these days.

Quoted: Quoted: Don't forget to thank all the American people who contributed dollars by way of buying "Made in China" crap. I guess I should give my Norinco up, huh?

Nah,you'll just blend in easier.Try to look short and skinny and squint your eyes.

Display console software operating systems likely would be commercial standard versions such as Windows or VX Works that are in production in China.

Don't know if I should laugh or cry at that one.  



Not good anyway you slice it.  The PRC is gearing up and we are, in large part, financing it.  

I find it more likely that WWIII will be US+China vs Communist EU+Russia

Quoted: Don't forget to thank all the American people who contributed dollars by way of buying "Made in China" crap. And you have absolutely NOTHING made in China in your house/garage/car? Highly doubtful.

Shoot son,My mouse (computer that is) is made in China.

I look at everything I buy and don't buy Made in COMMUNIST China unless there is absolutely no other choice.It is getting harder and harder though.


We are going to reap what we sow.

I have REALLY started praying that all you ole' boys that keep saying "We'll never fight China; they will become a capatailist country and thusly, change their politics/ambitions."



I may be praying, but, in the meantime, I will buy more ammo and soon I will have enough $$ saved up to buy some land WAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY back up in the mountains.

Quoted: I wonder how good the systems really are..... Paging LWilde! PAGING LWILDE! (I'm sure that SOB actuallly served on a prototype of one of these. He's done everything else! )

AMIGO!  sob...SOB???

I'm HURT to the quick.

Been aboard Aegis ships...operated with them many times, but never served in one.  NTU DDGs, DD 963s, DDG 2, DD 932, DDG 32...and one ancient CV.  Does that qualify?

Nonetheless, I'm here!  Relax a bit...drop a 'lude, rub your temples gently and hum a buddist chant for a few minutes.  I'm working on an analysis of something else now.

FWIW, I'd not sweat this ship much.  They remain several years behind us in technology...but are catching up slowly...and I believe with help from the liberals who once sat in the White House.

More later to discuss capes and lims of this ship.

YOS,

L(RetiredSwabbieExtraordinaire)Wilde

The Russians who sell everything they can to the ChiComs are no slouches in cutting-edge state of the art military systems like this.  Dont assume it was Clinton who gave thm this technology.

Bill and Hitlery are enemies of the state.

Most favored nation trading status is working great in China.

So now anything with a flat phased array radar is considered an "Aegis" ship?  Almost all of the latest ship designs are using this type of radar panel.  

I recall somebody once said that we'd sell them the rope we'd be hung with...

Well, they got the NATO Naval Tactical Data System from France…they got a Patriot system from Israel…

Add the best of Russian and European naval equipment… stir well and you get… an 'AEGIS' destroyer.


Looks like China just upped it's game.


ANdy

Quoted: Bill and Hitlery are enemies of the state.

Both should be shot for treason.  


It maddens me to no end that he got away with taking campaign contributions in exchange for scientific and technical knowledge.

Their undesignated Chinese radar is different from the Aegis or Sky Watch phased array radars. This radar is C-band instead of L- or F-band, and it has convex curved arrays instead of flat panels.

Here is an important tidbit I found in the article, they aren't Aegis copies.

I like the way that it starts out by saying that the chinese have come out with an Aegis ship, and then it goes into detail as to the myriad of differences between the US system and the Chinese system.

It's like saying that the US sold China Abrams technology because the Type-98 tank has special armour, laser rangefinder, two tracks, and a big smoothbore gun. Then in the article, explaining that the armour is made of a different material, the rang finder works on a different frequency, the tracks are single pin and not double-pin, and the gun is a 125mm with two-part-ammo and the US one isn't. Basically, the article used 'Aegis' in the title in the same was as one can say 'Jeep' when referring to some Japanese 4x4.

For the sake of it, the Norweigian military's first Aegis ships are coming in at 5,100 tons, though the system is being produced by the Spanish under license.

Success will breed imitation. It appears to me that the Chinese have managed to do this predominantly on their own.

NTM

If you want to see something that is even scarier take a look at the new Spanish DDs that are
coming out.   They are pretty much a 1:1 replica of our current DDGs.  The technology is out there
and available as far as the ship's construction and design goes but it is what goes inside
epecially in the systems technology that makes a big difference.
Don't be fooled by the 'stealthy' appearance.

On the other hand some foreign navies have some ideas we should be 'acquiring' for ourselves.
The new South African ship with the 'jacuzzi' propulsion system for instance.

I'm uneducated on the subject, and despise the man, but why does everybody always accuse Clinton of selling high tech stuff to the Chinese. I have heard about his shady campaign contributions before, but where did the info come from that he was giving them technology? Or was it just assumed? Just curious.

I still dont understand why China would go to war with its biggest customer.

Are these weapons systems from the Clintons or Israel? I forget which is which when it comes to China and secrets.

Quoted: I still dont understand why China would go to war with its biggest customer. Are these weapons systems from the Clintons or Israel? I forget which is which when it comes to China and secrets.

Why continue to only have them as customers when you think you could feasibly conquer and control them and subject them to your will?

tag

Remember Lend-lease? During WWII the US govt game ships, planes, tanks, trucks and other military hardware to Russia and China. The Russians to fight the Germans and the Chinese, under Chang Kai-chek to fight the Japanese. When Mao took over after the war who do you think took control of all that hardware?
Either they get it surreptitiously through espionage or directly through buyers around the globe.  China is a major world power just now  flexing its economic muscle after decades of Communist mis-management.  We can bemoan the "made in China" tag on almost everything we buy but its an economic facto of life.  Companies will either outsource to the lowest-cost supplier or open a plant in a Third World or Asian region/country where labor laws are non-existent and wages/benefits  are significantly below scale for an American, Canadian or European worker.

JM2CW

Quoted: Don't forget to thank all the American people who contributed dollars by way of buying "Made in China" crap.

You are welcome and I will keep buying what gives me the most for my money.  If you don't approve, that is too bad.

Quoted: Don't forget to thank all the American people who contributed dollars by way of buying "Made in China" crap. +10   I find myself checking this out automatically, although the fit and finish usually gives it away. I called Dewalt a few weeks ago to ask where one of their circular saws was made and was disappointed to find it was made in china. I believe they are potentially our worst enemy today. Edit to add.....Yes I have china made products in my home, but I make concious effort to avoid it and I lean more towards quality not quanity these days.

I notice that you and carguym14 conveniently overlook the fact that Billy Bubba sold them the technology.

Quoted: The Russians who sell everything they can to the ChiComs are no slouches in cutting-edge state of the art military systems like this.  Dont assume it was Clinton who gave thm this technology.

It was well publicized several years ago about the technology he allowed them to have access to.

Besides, do the Russians have anything even closely resembling Aegis?

Quoted: I'm uneducated on the subject, and despise the man, but why does everybody always accuse Clinton of selling high tech stuff to the Chinese. I have heard about his shady campaign contributions before, but where did the info come from that he was giving them technology? Or was it just assumed? Just curious.

The jist of it was that prior to Clinton, the decision on whether to allow U.S. companies to transfer potentially sensitive technical information to foreign states (like China) was made in the Defense Department.  Clinton transfered this authority to the State Department who, being liberal pantywastes, gave the green light on a lot of stuff the Chinese had been trying to get for years.  For instance, China's rockets for their "space program" tended to blow up a lot, especially multi-stage rockets IIRC.  With State's blessing, we fixed that for them.  Of course, this means that China can now produce more reliable ICBMs as well.  

Large numbers of Graduate standard educated Chinese work for US Defence Contractors…

Quoted: I'm uneducated on the subject, and despise the man, but why does everybody always accuse Clinton of selling high tech stuff to the Chinese. I have heard about his shady campaign contributions before, but where did the info come from that he was giving them technology? Or was it just assumed? Just curious.

There are a lot of technologies American companies looking at the bottom line would love to sell to foreign countries, but are forbidden by the government out of national security concerns. Things like supercomputers.

In exchange for large donations to the Democratic Party, Clinton waived these resitrictions.  The most famous was to the Loran Corporation, that sold technology for missile guidance systems that greatly improved the accuracy of Chinese ICBMs.

Quoted: Besides, do the Russians have anything even closely resembling Aegis?

Sortof.

If you mean a fully autonomous system incorporating semi-active radar homing missiles which require guidance only in the last fifteen seconds of flight (or therabouts) with a shared engagement capability between vessels, like Aegis, then no.

The Russians took a different tack, choosing to use command guidance and track-via-missile instead. The missile is under control for the entire duration of the flight, unlike Standard, but their director systems take this into account by each director being capable of engaging several targets at once, unlike the American systems. They also were looking at having a seriously layered air defense mechanism, taken to the extremes on their carrier Kuznetsov, which has over 300 SAMs aboard, over half of which are ready-to-fire and autonomous. It is not unusual for larger Russian ships to have, say, SA-N-6 (S-300s) for long-range SAM, SA-N-9 for medium range SAM, and SA-N-4 or Kashtans for short ranged SAMs. Plus the close-in gun systems. The most common system, SA-N-9 is a vertical launch deal.

Basically, it appears that they had concluded that any form of area air control wasn't going to happen: US aircraft carriers would very quickly make short work of that sort of thing. So they focused on local air denial, that basically nothing was going to survive in a distance about 20 miles from the vessels, using a large variety of systems to complicate American EW efforts.

NTM

Quoted: Quoted: Don't forget to thank all the American people who contributed dollars by way of buying "Made in China" crap. +10   I find myself checking this out automatically, although the fit and finish usually gives it away. I called Dewalt a few weeks ago to ask where one of their circular saws was made and was disappointed to find it was made in china. I believe they are potentially our worst enemy today. Edit to add.....Yes I have china made products in my home, but I make concious effort to avoid it and I lean more towards quality not quanity these days. I notice that you and carguym14 conveniently overlook the fact that Billy Bubba sold them the technology.

Yep,Bill the traitor gave them technology.BUT,without all the dollars pouring in,would they be as far along as they are?

It all comes down to the almighty dollar-either "buy" it from our government or take the money we give them and buy it/design it/manufacture it/stick it up our ass..............

tag

it would be a shame if we accidently sunk them with a sub... maybe the USS Jimmy Carter needs to improve its name...

Awww shit, this ain't good..........




And it was mostly paid for by Wal Mart goods I'd bet...

Even if this system is somewhat analogous to our Aegis radar, that is not reason to panic.  Aegis is about thirty years old now.  Even with upgrades, there is only so much you can do with a system designed in the '60s.

For some of the last few years I was working on advanced radar systems for the Navy.  Trust me, our military has moved well beyond Aegis technology.

Now...that does not mean that the Chinese radar is junk.   We know very little in open literature about the system.  What I am trying to say is that IF they are using the Aegis model, then they remain far behind us in technology.

I would say also that it is incumbent upon us to continue to monitor this growing threat from the Middle Kingdom and maintain our edge, no matter what.

Quoted: I'm uneducated on the subject, and despise the man, but why does everybody always accuse Clinton of selling high tech stuff to the Chinese. I have heard about his shady campaign contributions before, but where did the info come from that he was giving them technology? Or was it just assumed? Just curious.

Read Deception by Charles Smith. It will explain in detail how all this tech. was givin the Chinese during Clintons reign. He names names and the whole nine yards. If anything he wrote wasnt the truth he would of had his ass sued off by now. They hasnt been one law suit.

Its no different than Isreal selling technology to China.  I don't see what the big deal is.  Its been going on for awhile and its only matter of time before its bites us in the ass, kind of like GB renovating the Japanese Battleships prior to ww2.

Israel Second Only To Russia
In Providing Arms To China
By Carol Giacomo
Diplomatic Correspondent
8-31-2

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - China and Russia have faced repeated U.S. sanctions for their arms sales, but a largely unheralded player in what Washington considers the troubling proliferation game is Israel, one of the closest U.S. allies.

The Jewish state, recipient annually of $3 billion in U.S. aid, is second only to Russia as a weapons provider to China, U.S. congressional investigators say.

Some experts fear sensitive U.S. technology may show up via Israel in systems sold by China to Iran and North Korea, which President Bush termed "axis of evil" states after the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

"Israel ranks second only to Russia as a weapons system provider to China and as a conduit for sophisticated military technology, followed by France and Germany," according to a recent report by the U.S.-China Security Review Commission, a panel established by Congress to examine security and economic relations between the two countries.

"Recent upgrades in target acquisition and fire control, probably provided by Israeli weapons specialists, have enhanced the capabilities of the older guided missile destroyers and frigates" in the Chinese navy's inventory, it said.

The commission, which holds hard-line views on China, cited Israel as a supplier to Beijing of radar systems, optical and telecommunications equipment, drones and flight simulators.

"Israel has established itself as an important exporter of high-technology niche weapons containing more sophisticated technology than what is provided by Russia," it said.

WORRYING RELATIONSHIP

"Among the people who are aware of this (Israel-China) trade, there is a consensus that this is not a healthy relationship," commission chairman Richard D'Amato told Reuters. "There is a growing consensus that transfers of these technologies is worrisome given the balance of power in the Taiwan Straits," he said.

D'Amato referred to the fact that Israel-China cooperation persists even as Washington has sold increasingly sophisticated weapons to Taiwan as a defense against China.

Beijing considers the island a renegade and has pledged to use force, if needed, to achieve eventual reunification.

This creates an ironic possibility: In the event of war, China, with weapons supplied or enhanced by Israel that may have been supplied or enhanced by the United States, would face Taiwan, armed with U.S.-made jets and other military hardware.

In November 2000, China promised not to assist any country in developing ballistic missiles that could be used to deliver nuclear weapons and to enact strict export-control rules.

But Beijing only just now published the export rules and in the interim, the CIA said Chinese firms provided dual-use missile-related items, raw materials, and/or assistance to several countries of proliferation concern, including Iran, North Korea, and Libya.

Two senior U.S. officials told Reuters there has been little attention given to China-Israel arms ties since Bush took office.

Issues that could draw criticism of Israel are sensitive in America, where pro-Israel interests wield considerable clout.

"It is a concern when anybody sells the Chinese advanced systems -- and the Israeli systems are very advanced -- that we might, at one point, find ourselves opposite those systems in the hands of the Chinese," said one senior U.S. official.

But, he added, "I'd be more concerned about it if there was more evidence of (recent) activity" between Israel and China.

The Washington Times in July said U.S. intelligence identified an Israeli-made anti-radar weapon, the unmanned "Harpy" drone, deployed with Chinese forces opposite Taiwan.

A U.S. government source confirmed to Reuters that Israel provided the weapon to China. He called the transfer "astounding" because it is a key weapon that, in China's hands, could impair the effectiveness of U.S. Aegis cruisers.

China, a rising economic and military power, has embarked on a major military modernization and some U.S. officials and analysts view Beijing as a serious potential threat.

BUT DOUBTS PERSIST

Despite the U.S.-China Security Review Commission's concerns, some analysts doubt Israel made any significant recent transfers to China.

Two years ago, under U.S. pressure, Israel suspended the sale to Beijing of four $250 million-a-copy advanced early warning Phalcon aircraft, similar to U.S. AWACS planes.

The proposed deal alarmed the Pentagon and infuriated some members of Congress, who threatened to cut U.S. military aid to Israel if the lucrative deal went through.

U.S. officials and other knowledgeable sources say Israel was stunned at the vehement U.S. reaction and this made Israel even more cautious about future deals with China.

The proposed Phalcon deal "involved indigenous Israeli technology and would have provided lots of jobs for our defense industries," an Israeli official told Reuters.

But it was canceled "because Israel has an understanding with the United States that we will not act in a way that will endanger U.S. national security interests," he said.

"I think Phalcon was a watershed. It showed the level of our commitment" to the United States, said the Israeli official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Added a senior U.S. official, "Before the Israelis get in another situation where they are crosswise with us, they'll think twice about it -- the last flap still reverberates."

But D'Amato disagreed. "We still think they are involved in this in a serious way," including high-tech intelligence exchanges and a sharing of missile technology.

Israel began an arms relationship with China in the Cold War with U.S. backing as a means of balancing off the Soviet Union. But the ties have increasingly troubled Washington.

Six years ago, U.S. government reports accused Israel of illegally transferring U.S. technology from the largely U.S.-funded Lavi fighter plane program to China. China's new F-10 fighter jet is said to be nearly identical to the Lavi.

Analysts said that in addition to reaping profits and lowering defense production costs, Israel believes arms sales to China raises its influence with Beijing and gains it vital intelligence about its enemies, with whom China does business.


Copyright © 2002 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon.

Quoted: Its no different than Isreal selling technology to China.  I don't see what the big deal is.  Its been going on for awhile and its only matter of time before its bites us in the ass, kind of like GB renovating the Japanese Battleships prior to ww2. Israel Second Only To Russia In Providing Arms To China By Carol Giacomo Diplomatic Correspondent 8-31-2 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - China and Russia have faced repeated U.S. sanctions for their arms sales, but a largely unheralded player in what Washington considers the troubling proliferation game is Israel, one of the closest U.S. allies. The Jewish state, recipient annually of $3 billion in U.S. aid, is second only to Russia as a weapons provider to China, U.S. congressional investigators say. Some experts fear sensitive U.S. technology may show up via Israel in systems sold by China to Iran and North Korea, which President Bush termed "axis of evil" states after the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. "Israel ranks second only to Russia as a weapons system provider to China and as a conduit for sophisticated military technology, followed by France and Germany," according to a recent report by the U.S.-China Security Review Commission, a panel established by Congress to examine security and economic relations between the two countries. "Recent upgrades in target acquisition and fire control, probably provided by Israeli weapons specialists, have enhanced the capabilities of the older guided missile destroyers and frigates" in the Chinese navy's inventory, it said. The commission, which holds hard-line views on China, cited Israel as a supplier to Beijing of radar systems, optical and telecommunications equipment, drones and flight simulators. "Israel has established itself as an important exporter of high-technology niche weapons containing more sophisticated technology than what is provided by Russia," it said. WORRYING RELATIONSHIP "Among the people who are aware of this (Israel-China) trade, there is a consensus that this is not a healthy relationship," commission chairman Richard D'Amato told Reuters. "There is a growing consensus that transfers of these technologies is worrisome given the balance of power in the Taiwan Straits," he said. D'Amato referred to the fact that Israel-China cooperation persists even as Washington has sold increasingly sophisticated weapons to Taiwan as a defense against China. Beijing considers the island a renegade and has pledged to use force, if needed, to achieve eventual reunification. This creates an ironic possibility: In the event of war, China, with weapons supplied or enhanced by Israel that may have been supplied or enhanced by the United States, would face Taiwan, armed with U.S.-made jets and other military hardware. In November 2000, China promised not to assist any country in developing ballistic missiles that could be used to deliver nuclear weapons and to enact strict export-control rules. But Beijing only just now published the export rules and in the interim, the CIA said Chinese firms provided dual-use missile-related items, raw materials, and/or assistance to several countries of proliferation concern, including Iran, North Korea, and Libya. Two senior U.S. officials told Reuters there has been little attention given to China-Israel arms ties since Bush took office. Issues that could draw criticism of Israel are sensitive in America, where pro-Israel interests wield considerable clout. "It is a concern when anybody sells the Chinese advanced systems -- and the Israeli systems are very advanced -- that we might, at one point, find ourselves opposite those systems in the hands of the Chinese," said one senior U.S. official. But, he added, "I'd be more concerned about it if there was more evidence of (recent) activity" between Israel and China. The Washington Times in July said U.S. intelligence identified an Israeli-made anti-radar weapon, the unmanned "Harpy" drone, deployed with Chinese forces opposite Taiwan. A U.S. government source confirmed to Reuters that Israel provided the weapon to China. He called the transfer "astounding" because it is a key weapon that, in China's hands, could impair the effectiveness of U.S. Aegis cruisers. China, a rising economic and military power, has embarked on a major military modernization and some U.S. officials and analysts view Beijing as a serious potential threat. BUT DOUBTS PERSIST Despite the U.S.-China Security Review Commission's concerns, some analysts doubt Israel made any significant recent transfers to China. Two years ago, under U.S. pressure, Israel suspended the sale to Beijing of four $250 million-a-copy advanced early warning Phalcon aircraft, similar to U.S. AWACS planes. The proposed deal alarmed the Pentagon and infuriated some members of Congress, who threatened to cut U.S. military aid to Israel if the lucrative deal went through. U.S. officials and other knowledgeable sources say Israel was stunned at the vehement U.S. reaction and this made Israel even more cautious about future deals with China. The proposed Phalcon deal "involved indigenous Israeli technology and would have provided lots of jobs for our defense industries," an Israeli official told Reuters. But it was canceled "because Israel has an understanding with the United States that we will not act in a way that will endanger U.S. national security interests," he said. "I think Phalcon was a watershed. It showed the level of our commitment" to the United States, said the Israeli official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. Added a senior U.S. official, "Before the Israelis get in another situation where they are crosswise with us, they'll think twice about it -- the last flap still reverberates." But D'Amato disagreed. "We still think they are involved in this in a serious way," including high-tech intelligence exchanges and a sharing of missile technology. Israel began an arms relationship with China in the Cold War with U.S. backing as a means of balancing off the Soviet Union. But the ties have increasingly troubled Washington. Six years ago, U.S. government reports accused Israel of illegally transferring U.S. technology from the largely U.S.-funded Lavi fighter plane program to China. China's new F-10 fighter jet is said to be nearly identical to the Lavi. Analysts said that in addition to reaping profits and lowering defense production costs, Israel believes arms sales to China raises its influence with Beijing and gains it vital intelligence about its enemies, with whom China does business. Copyright © 2002 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon.

This was advanced ballistic missle targeting tech. As in intercontinental ballistic missles. Transfer of this type of tech to China is nothing but giving them the means to take out the West Coast.  You REALLY cannt see the difference between a president of the US and a foreign nation in giving tech. to the chinese. This tech. increased the accuracy of China long range ballistic missles which COULD be used against our West Coast. Clinton would sell his own mother for a dollar campaign contribution and he damn sure sold us down the drain for Chinese under the table contributions. Like I said if anything in this book isnt the truth he would of had his ass sued off. Not one lawsuit.

Quoted: This was advanced ballistic missle targeting tech. As in intercontinental ballistic missles. Transfer of this type of tech to China is nothing but giving them the means to take out the West Coast.  You REALLY cannt see the difference between a president of the US and a foreign nation in giving tech. to the chinese. This tech. increased the accuracy of China long range ballistic missles which COULD be used against our West Coast. Clinton would sell his own mother for a dollar campaign contribution and he damn sure sold us down the drain for Chinese under the table contributions.

so one guy is American and other is a nation profiting from our technology.  The point is one way or another China is going to get it.  If it isn't slick Willie selling out his country its our allies doing the same.  Not much can be done about either when A.)Nearly half the voting populous votes for a guy like John Kerry B.) Our own government takes little to no preventative measures in protecting our interests with overseas foreign relations and the technology granted to them.

Sorry but this song has gone on and on and on.  Nothing will change because we've become a nation that is more concerned about lining its own pockets or by ignoring obviously potentially dangerous situations.  I was rather surprised to see Isreal removed from the F35 developement team because of other infractions.  I highly doubt it will  last though and I doubt more so that we will go to war with China.  So all in all it'll be another stalemate just like the old USSR.  

  I am sick of this make a buck at the expense of your country philosophy also, but this was more than that. This was a sitting President giving a very potential enemy the missle tech. to take out the west coast. As a result of this illegal transfer of tech. Chinese Ballistic missles are about 1000 percent more accurate than they were before. The picture is they can use one bomb to take out one target instead of before having to use 3 or 4. The Chinese as of now have a limited number of nuclear weapons.
  Also what the hell do you mean by the comment so "so one guy was an American". Trying to dodge the fact that this wasnt just anybody but our president.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/luhai.htm

Radars developed with Russian help, outfitted with Russian or Chinese long range SAMs.

Quoted:   I am sick of this make a buck at the expense of your country philosophy also, but this was more than that. This was a sitting President giving a very potential enemy the missle tech. to take out the west coast. As a result of this illegal transfer of tech. Chinese Ballistic missles are about 1000 percent more accurate than they were before. The picture is they can use one bomb to take out one target instead of before having to use 3 or 4. The Chinese as of now have a limited number of nuclear weapons.

yes and yet we provide billions of dollars to Isreal, Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia yet they each in one way or another sell us down the river continuously.  Don't worry its only yours and mine tax dollars at work.  There's nothing that can be done about it.  You do remember the P3 incident where Wong Wei crashed his aircraft into our Navy bird?  Remember some of those pics of the fighter aircraft parked next to it on that Chinese island?  Yes those were Isreali made Python missles under the wings of the J-8's.  See what I mean?  If its not foreign nations doing it, its our very our executive commander.  It doesn't matter what exactly was transferred, it was still done all the same.  It won't change, just assume the position and take it like a good tax paying American.

Want to read more good news?  Hell we're training them ourselves!

The real funny part of the whole deal works like this:

US helps Isreal
Isreal sells technology to China
China makes weapons
China sells to Syria, Egpyt, and Iran
which all ='s Isreal gets screwed being surrounded by ROPers and essentially the US is screwing itself over the barrel by developing and selling/handing over the technology to whomever.

  It does get pretty damn discourageing at times. If this would of happened in the PAST history of our country people would of been shot or locked up.