The FIX if this new format is SLOW on your machine

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - The FIX if this new format is SLOW on your machine

Posted: 7/5/2001 6:02:26 AM EDT

[i]UPDATE - Goatboy has changed the code to allow you to disable the Dynamic Menus. Fixed my machine.[/i]

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Ugh. I'm on cable modem, so it's not that. My CPU is a little slow, but....

This new format is SLOW. I get most of the page coming in, then a 10 second delay until the rest comes in. In the meantime, I can't scroll, can't click, can't anything.

At least the old format you could click a thread, scroll, etc... before the whole page came it.

Very tedious to even scan the boards now. It's not even worth clicking 99% of the threads to check them out, since it's a 1 minute process to check a thread and get back to where you started.

Posted: 7/5/2001 6:21:31 AM EDT

[#1]

I am experiencing very similar symptoms, and it is quite frustrating.
I have a cable modem, and a fast computer, yet the board is VERY slow to load, and when it finally does, I am frozen out of clicking or scrolling for 10-15 seconds.

Goatboy, what gives????

Posted: 7/5/2001 6:28:45 AM EDT

[#2]

What version and type of browser are you guys using?

The only thing which changed is the dynamic menus which are built at the top of the pages. Depending on which browser you use and how it renders, it will react differently. I am using ie 5.5 and I don't need to wait for a load to act and the speed is a little better than before. At times when the board is busy, things do slow up a bit, but that's normal traffic related stuff right now.

I will be working on improving speed when I get the chance as there are a few things I wish to do!

-- GB

Posted: 7/5/2001 6:34:40 AM EDT

[#3]

If you're on cable modem, I am assuming you are with @home or roadrunner. If you are with @home; Do not use their browser. This causes problems with various boards not just this one. Use IE or Netscape instead.

Posted: 7/5/2001 6:38:15 AM EDT

[#4]

Switched from nutscrape to I.E. and WOW !!!!
yea, thats the ticket....
[x]

Posted: 7/5/2001 6:49:40 AM EDT

[#5]

I have ISDN and the site is faster in the new format for me. I surf with IE.

THISISME

Posted: 7/5/2001 6:54:09 AM EDT

[#6]

MS IE 5.50.4522.1800

Posted: 7/5/2001 7:03:27 AM EDT

[#7]

Hmmm we should take this to email... I want to know whats going on and why you are hitting slow points...

Is your cache packed to hell or do you clear it every now and then??? Large cache will kill ya every time...

How about a trace to the web server how fast/slow is it???

-- GB

Posted: 7/5/2001 7:15:24 AM EDT

[#8]

If you're on cable modem, I am assuming you are with @home or roadrunner. If you are with @home; Do not use their browser. This causes problems with various boards not just this one. Use IE or Netscape instead.

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I'm on @home and the browser provided is IE. Is it modified? If so, can I simply download IE and upgrade?

Eddie

Posted: 7/5/2001 7:37:29 AM EDT

[#9]

Hey Guys, Just because you're on a cable modem doesn't mean you won't have slowness issues. There are latency problems with cable modems that are just part of the protocol, and cable modems are also shared pipes. All of your neighbors are using the same bandwidth that you do, so if you're browsing during peak hours things will be slow. You're problems were there before, you just didn't notice them until the more robust site was launched.

Posted: 7/5/2001 7:41:03 AM EDT

[#10]

I'm lucky if I can dial up @ 36k! Most of the time it is around 26,400. I've noticed a slow down in the board as well. I'm using IE5.5 but Perhaps my problem is all of the new graphics.

Posted: 7/5/2001 7:58:01 AM EDT

[#11]

Im having the same kinds of problems here too, Im on DSL and using IE 5.5. This site has slowed considerably for me, for example: I just clicked to reply to this thread, waited about 30sec went to take a piss, came back and waited about another 30sec before I could start typing. I usually download at about 3meg/min, so before anyone chimes in and wants to tell my how my connection works and that it has always been slow and I just didn't notice it, please think before you reply.

Michael

Posted: 7/5/2001 8:15:34 AM EDT

[#12]

I know that the new graphics can make the pages load slower for some people who do not have a fast internet connection. You must also take into consideration that a LOT of people have been off of work and on the internet during the last couple of days (like darwindog said - bandwidth).

Hey darwindog - you seem have a good understanding of Networking Technology - are you a Network Engineer also?

Tyler

Posted: 7/5/2001 8:17:52 AM EDT

[#13]

Ponyboy was the site slow before the menu was introduced or is this new for you to have this slowdown?

-- GB

Posted: 7/5/2001 8:31:11 AM EDT

[#14]

I hate to sound like a whiner but I'm having the same problem. I'm on Roadrunner cable and running IE version 5.50.4522.1800. I usually run between 1.5Mbps to 1.8Mbps. I have flushed my cache and I have checked other sites that I frequent for comparison. I've given the upgrade a few days and have checked it at peak and non-peak times of the day to make sure it's not just because of internet congestion.

This site is noticeably slower.

Posted: 7/5/2001 8:46:10 AM EDT

[#15]

Again, this is since the new menu header on the page?

What are your cache options set to?

Whats your ping to the server? (Try a trace and see if any network troubles getting to it???)

Need a little help with info to figure this out guys.

-- GB

Posted: 7/5/2001 9:12:45 AM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
Again, this is since the new menu header on the page?

--This site was fast as hell before the upgrade and just now it took me 4.5min for this reply page to pop up so I could write this. This is not normal at all. This is now the slowest site I have found that will still load successfully.

What are your cache options set to?

--I cleared the cache trying to fix this problem and it had no effect at all.

Whats your ping to the server? (Try a trace and see if any network troubles getting to it???)

--Haven't done it yet, so Im not sure on this right now.

Need a little help with info to figure this out guys.

--Im walking out the door right now to go pick up a new suppressor, but Ill help you out in any way I can as soon as I get back. You can send me an email with anything you would like for me to check out and Ill let you know the results ASAP.

Michael
[email protected]

Posted: 7/5/2001 9:19:11 AM EDT

[#17]

Ok that helps... I'm going to try to setup an option to disable the dynamic menus and see if that helps some of you out. If it does, I will both leave it as an option, and work to correct it.

Like I said, that's pretty much the only thing that's changed with the forums!

-- GB

One last thing, can you check the main homepage and tell me if that is slow to load as well??? THANKS!

Posted: 7/5/2001 9:30:12 AM EDT

[#18]

CC:\WINDOWS>ping ar15.com

Pinging ar15.com [208.245.134.228] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 208.245.134.228: bytes=32 time=100ms TTL=114
Reply from 208.245.134.228: bytes=32 time=99ms TTL=114
Reply from 208.245.134.228: bytes=32 time=98ms TTL=114
Reply from 208.245.134.228: bytes=32 time=100ms TTL=114

Ping statistics for 208.245.134.228:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 98ms, Maximum = 100ms, Average = 99ms

Not as fast as my pings to yahoo or microsoft but still not bad. Cache changed from "automatically" to "every visit" but it didn't seem to help, in fact, it seemed to be slower. Also, after reading a thread and hitting the "back" button, there's a significant delay that wasn't there before. It goes back to the top of the page and then drops down the page to where I left off.

Posted: 7/5/2001 9:38:15 AM EDT

[#19]

Ok I'm going to take a poke and say its most likely the dynamic menus causing the trouble...

They are executed on the client after the page loads, which is where a small burp occurs. Some people seem to be ok with it (not a big burp) and others not... we'll see how it works when you disable it...

Give me a little to code this in, then we'll try it out.

-- GB

Posted: 7/5/2001 9:42:53 AM EDT

[#20]

Slow here also since the change. Yesterday I had delays around 30 seconds. This morning things were a lot faster, but not as fast as before the change. At about 10 am PST it's really slowed down! We're talking minutes now, I've waited over 2 minutes for a page to load. I've been watching the clock and I'd guess what used to take about 5 minutes or less has taken 30 minutes.

I'm on a Mac, IE 5.0 and DSL. Yesterday I followed you advise to clear the cashe but that didn't seem to help. My cashe is set to 50 MB and to update the pages once per session.

Posted: 7/5/2001 9:59:08 AM EDT

[#21]

Cleared cache (did it a week ago, as well) - no change

Looks pretty quick to me:

Pinging ar15.com [208.245.134.228] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 208.245.134.228: bytes=32 time=46ms TTL=112
Reply from 208.245.134.228: bytes=32 time=34ms TTL=112
Reply from 208.245.134.228: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=112
Reply from 208.245.134.228: bytes=32 time=46ms TTL=112

Ping statistics for 208.245.134.228:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 34ms, Maximum = 46ms, Average = 21ms

Posted: 7/5/2001 10:07:37 AM EDT

[#22]

Ping statistics for 208.245.134.228:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 34ms, Maximum = 46ms, Average = 21ms

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Hmmm....Min=34......Max=46.....Average=21?!?!?!?[whacko]

Must be the "New Math"

Posted: 7/5/2001 10:09:55 AM EDT

[#23]

Just wanted to throw in that mine has been working fine most of the time. @home with IE 5.5 and it only seems to be slow in the early evening when this board and everything is pretty busy. Thanks for all your efforts GB.

Posted: 7/5/2001 10:14:33 AM EDT

[#24]

I have an extremely clean connection to the web (I am at work and have an appx 90+ mb/sec connection to the internet), and the pages load up rather quickly for me.

With the dynamic menues, I have not looked at the source page, but have you though about creating a .js file that would be downloaded to the client and then only updated when needed?

Posted: 7/5/2001 10:27:16 AM EDT

[#25]

Fatman- I had to type these values in, no way to paste from the DOS program (that I have/know of), so it could be a typo.

Still, I ran a couple more and had an average less than the minimum. Go figure.

Posted: 7/5/2001 10:33:24 AM EDT

[#26]

The site will boot everyone off in a bit when I upload the changes.

I am tweaking the menus a little as we speak and coded an option for those who do not wish to use the dynamic menus. This gives us a great target to work with (to examine the problem) as well as allowing those with webTV or slower connections to choose a performance decrease over ease of use.

]=)

See in the end we all win and the final choice comes down to each person!

All I have to say is find another site or admin out there who is HALF as receptive as I am and willing to take on the extra hours of work to help people out. Someone should buy me a damn present! [=)][=)][=)][=)][=)]

(Make it a shrubbery!!! A nice one... but not too expensive...)

-- GB

Posted: 7/5/2001 10:46:12 AM EDT

[#27]

Thanks for your fast response and willingness to improve!

Posted: 7/5/2001 11:34:12 AM EDT

[#28]

Ok!

Do me a favor and go into your profile and set the dynamic menus to NO!!! Then let me know if the speed is back!

Also may want to check a few pages normal since I did a few tweaks to the code... nothing major, just moved one more file to execute on the client.

-- GB

Posted: 7/5/2001 11:49:19 AM EDT

[#29]

I am on a cable modem also, and I am seeing a slight increase in speed (FWIW).

Posted: 7/5/2001 12:14:20 PM EDT

[#30]

Woo Hoo! [bounce]

GoatBoy, you da man! [beer]

Speed is back to pre-upgrade performance. Everything seems to be working.

What kind of bush do you want? [;)]

Posted: 7/5/2001 12:27:55 PM EDT

[#31]

Goatboy, I fixed my profile, and all is well in the land of AR15.com.
GREAT JOB!!!!!!!!!

Posted: 7/5/2001 12:33:07 PM EDT

[#32]

[size=6][red]YES! Back to where it was!

Way to go![size=2]

So, I'll put my money where my mouth is. When are you taking PayPal for the memberships?

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