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Posted: 5/15/2005 3:59:06 PM EDT
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No, it isn't. It's using a false communication to cause a panic that gets people hurt or killed. It's the exact same thing. |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 4:00:03 PM EDT
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 I do not know enough about your question to give an honest answer. If you would like to give a write up about the spy and the parts you want my opinion on, feel free. |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 4:02:22 PM EDT
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Just ducky. I'm saying that Bin Laden was abducted by aliens. I "can't prove that it didn't happen," that makes it good print. These guys need to hire the entire staff of The National Enquirer for editorial staff. |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 4:03:39 PM EDT
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Magazines, TV shows, radio programs, etc. etc. etc. give false communications all the time, whether by accident, on purpose to get reader/viewership, or as a joke. Whether you want to believe it or not is YOUR problem. I will not blame the magazine for saying such a simple thing, I will blame the savages that did the killing and want to kill and torture more people over it. Hell, there are people in this thread who are saying that they have desecrated the quran, terrorists might be upset about that, should we imprison/kill those members of this forum as well? |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 4:05:00 PM EDT
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It is clear no you have no logic process. Firearms are inanimate objects that just sit there… Newsweek is a magazine that has words, these words change from issue to issue… these words come from people. When you can find me a gun that jumps off the table by itself and shoots somebody I will blame it. I will in the meantime rightfully BLAME Newsweek for willfully spreading lies, lies they knew would have consequences… |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 4:05:46 PM EDT
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It's bait for people from Jersey. (and it works) Since you've no quarrel with Newsweek printing inflammatory false material that gets Americans killed, doubtless you found no fault with Time's unbiased coverage of Vietnam or CNN's delightful Tailwind fantasy. The idea that perception is reality seems lost on you, and the fact is that Newsweek created the perception of legitimacy to the story and that cost lives. The First is not a defense for printing false stories that have very real effects (now or 30 years ago) |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 4:16:52 PM EDT
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Are you just mad because you're trolling and it didn't work??? |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 4:17:56 PM EDT
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Until then, I surely would not talk about logic if I were you... |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 4:19:56 PM EDT
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I have a problem with ANYTHING that gets Americans killed. But Newsweek did not get anyone killed whatsoever. The only thing that got Americans killed was the fucking terrorists! |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 4:19:59 PM EDT
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+ A Billion It's about time we hold these "journalists" accountable, and make them understand that "sorry" doesn't cut it. they should fire everyone involved and prosecute them as well. People died 'cause this asshole wanted to "raise some eyebrows" and make a name for himself. God I hate the media in this country... 
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Posted: 5/15/2005 4:21:03 PM EDT
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F*** the skull of NEWSWEAK.
Too little too late.
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Posted: 5/15/2005 4:39:13 PM EDT
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It's really very simple.
1. Find out who wrote the story. 2. Ship his ass over to the Mullahs and tell them he is the fucker who was supposed to have done the deed at Gitmo. 3. Nuke anybody that isn't satisfied. Caution: don't look at the flashes! See....not a problem! Personally, as we are at war and this directly compromises our troops safety, I would like to see the journalist and the managing editor tried for sedition. |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 4:46:50 PM EDT
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Idiots. Doesn't surprise me one bit.
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Posted: 5/15/2005 4:48:11 PM EDT
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Does this mean that the moslems are going to retract the jihad on us, thereby denying us the excuse to kill more of them? |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 4:49:49 PM EDT
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Oh, boy. I'm sure he was impartial! 
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Posted: 5/15/2005 4:57:20 PM EDT
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Oh it is worse than that:
Link to the Newsweek apology story: story.news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050515/ts_nm/religion_afghan_newsweek_dc |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 4:58:45 PM EDT
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You guys are missing the point. As messed up as Newsweek is, THEY DIDNT KILL ANYBODY.
Yes, they were blatantly incorrect, but to say there is a JUSTIFIABLE cause and effect between the deaths and Newsweek is ridiculous. Yes, clearly a cause and effect exists, but does that justify the actions of the people who killed others? Give me a break. Newsweek can be charged with slander/libel whatever, but it is the savages who should be tried for murder, not Newsweek. |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:00:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:03:54 PM EDT
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If I yell fire in a crowded theatre....resulting in the trampling deaths of 5 people...I'm gonna be tried for 5 counts of something....first amendmant or not. |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:04:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:08:31 PM EDT
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Please explain your fruity analogy. NewsWeak did holler and people did die.....how does that not fit the bill for inciting people to murder? |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:13:34 PM EDT
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BTW, Newsweek might have hollered, but people died because terrorists killed them- that is the reason and the only thing to blame, that is all there is to it. One thing that I did ask and haven't received an answer to:
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:23:08 PM EDT
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I'm sorry, but printing LIES is not covered by the 1st Amendment, in my book, especially when those LIES are printed as if they were REAL NEWS, and they end up getting people killed, AND it is clear that from the getgo, the entire story stank to high heaven.
The 1st Amendment is supposed to keep us free from tyranny from a goverment we choose to speak out against. You want to call the President a murderer? Fine. Have at it. You print a LIE which you KNOW is a LIE, and people DIE for it, you should bloody well be held accountable. Newsweek is a far cry from some website or other. It is a major part of the established media, and as such must be held to a more serious standard than any chat board. These people are supposed to be professionals who seek and publish the TRUTH. Unfortunately, they've gotten away with redefining the 1st Amendment to meaning they can say ANYTHING they want, true or not, and God help anyone who doesn't like it. Oh, sure, they also redefined it to cover piss Christ but not political ads 30 days before an election, so why is anyone shocked? These people post BULLSHIT and KNEW it. They should also have bloody well known that the scumbags we're fighting would take a story like this and riot with it. But hey, they wanted to make the United States look bad, so why not? Criminal negligence, if you ask me. Pure and simple. |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:23:30 PM EDT
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Look....I am not an attorney....I don't even play one on TV. I don't see that the comments posted on this board have resulted in the deaths of anyone. This isn't a news organ that people use to make life decisions....well, most people anyway. NewsWeak is just that type of organ. We know that NewsWeaks irresponsibilities have resulted in multiple deaths because the Mullahs have cited the article. There seems to me some causatory actions were taken by NewsWeak by publishing the shit. As far as your "not being here to repeat yourself" ......then don't. 
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:27:51 PM EDT
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If you can prove that they knowingly lied, hold them accountable for that. Would perjury laws cover that? Is there any law to cover that? Write them their $15 fine and be on your way. But to blame a newspaper for that actions of fucking terrorists is no better than blaming a video game, song, or firearm for a killing. BTW:
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:28:23 PM EDT
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Newsweek lied and people died. Ooops sorry about that. Somehow the retraction and appology do not really seem to be enough under the circumstances.
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:29:27 PM EDT
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Newsweek published the story specifically to hurt Bush by damaging the US reputation in muslim countries. This is exactly the outcome they wanted, although they may have not anticipated the deaths.
The story has no effect on politics within the US or Europe. Those that support Bush could care less about a Koran going down the toilet. Those that already were opposed don't matter. The only purpose of the article was to infuriate the muslim world against the current administration, and it worked. Its simply treason. If true, it'd just be freedom of the press, but if they knew the story was not likely true before publishing, which it sounds like(CBS copycats), then they are specifically trying to incite nations that we are currently conducting military operations in to rise up against the US. |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:30:21 PM EDT
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[billclinton]Now that's whut ah call an "unimpeachable source"![/billclinton] ....... 
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:30:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:33:27 PM EDT
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If it were a pro-Bush Republican magazine no one here would be blaming them. I am a Republican, I support Bush, but I will not be so biased that I can't see that terrorists are to blame instead of a fucking magazine. |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:34:58 PM EDT
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Newsweek knew exactly what they were doing, exactly what the reaction would be, they have internally done huge permanent irreparable and potentially disastrous damage. And Americans are going to die as a result. Yes it borders on treason. |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:38:43 PM EDT
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Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night? |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:39:30 PM EDT
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Oh! great they inflame most of the Islamic world even more than they were then admit "We mave have been mistaken!" Just fucking great!!!!
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:41:52 PM EDT
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One more time: Newsweek knew exactly what they were doing… Newsweek knew exactly what the reaction in the Muslim world be, the reaction was predictable… Newsweek intentionally did damage to US foreign policy, and prospects on the battlefield… American soldiers and civilians are going to die because of Newsweeks actions, people who would not have died otherwise… Newsweek is acting as a de-facto propaganda organ of the Islmo-Fascist. Newsweek is responsible, we are at war and there is NO damn excuse for this. |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:42:13 PM EDT
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Oh! great they inflame most of the Islamic world even more than they were then admit "We mave have been mistaken!" Just fucking great!!!!
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:43:02 PM EDT
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You seem to be concluding that I hold the murderers faultless. Nothing could be further from the truth. I hold both the magazine AND the murderers responsible. BTW:
If it is FACTUALLY INNACURATE, then they should be held responsible, just as Enron executives weere held responsible for FACTUALLY INNACURATE statements. Beyond that, they can write whatever the hell they want, so long as they PLAINLY say it's their OPINION. THAT is what the 1st Amendment is supposed to be about. I can say what I think of the government and it's policies, and they can't do a damned thing about it. However, when a NEWS ORGAN LIES, and people end up DEAD because of it, it is PROFESSIONAL MALPRACTICE. It's about time these "I'm so far above the law I wipe my ass with God's beard" journalists started catching the heat they so happily throw at everyone else.
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:45:20 PM EDT
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You saying that Newsweek is to blame for the American's dying is no better than the liberals saying that Bush is responsible for the American soldiers dying. |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:47:30 PM EDT
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And what exactly happened to those Enron Execs for giving factually inaccurate statements (and that alone)? |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:47:52 PM EDT
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+1 Newsreek lied and good men died. |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:51:25 PM EDT
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+1 ...for murder. -LS |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:52:41 PM EDT
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They're in prison, where they belong. They are in prison for bullshit accounting, not lying under oath. And that "rag" is (for some God-awful reason) a RESPECTED news source run by "professionals". They should damned well behave like it. |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:55:55 PM EDT
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Yes, in fact, it is. Your protestations won't change the facts. |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 5:58:01 PM EDT
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You just do not get it… Bush is responsible, just as FDR was in WWII the Commander in Chief is always responsible when he sends troops in to battle that is his damn job. Newsweek is responsible in this case they knew the consequences of their actions. Hell using you illogic we could take the SOB that wrote this story and the editor that approved, give them parachutes and kick them out of a plane over >inset Muslim hellhole of choice< and the we will let the “Savage terrorists” take the blame when they lose their heads. Hell they were alive when they left the plane therefore we are not responsible. |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 6:00:01 PM EDT
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Newsweek shouldn't behave like anything, you are not in the position to decide what they should behave like. If they want to turn half the magazine into parody, that is their choice, they have no obligation to ask you for permission or inform you of the change. |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 6:01:22 PM EDT
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Now you are comparing kidnapping and throwing someone unwillingly out of a plane to writing an article in a bullshit magazine? Get a fucking grip |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 6:02:20 PM EDT
[#46]
Uh... you don't get anything right. Enron executives are not being tried for lying under oath in a court of law. They are being tried for falsifying their financial reports… just like Newsweek’s false story. |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 6:02:26 PM EDT
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I don't have to change any facts, no facts have been presented nomatter how much you try to make your opinion a fact. |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 6:03:27 PM EDT
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If no money was stolen, they would not be in jail for falsifying anything. And it is NOTHING like what Newsweek did, comparing it is nothing more than idiotic. Stop telling ME that I don't get anything when you apparently have no clue as to what you are talking about. |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 6:05:21 PM EDT
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They were alive when they left the plane… the “Savage terrorist" killed them not us… How can we be held responsible? Somebody needs a grip... got a mirror handy. |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 6:05:35 PM EDT
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They lied on their accounting statements and thousands of investors lost their capital. Newsweek lied and over a dozen people DIED. The media and the left went into an apoplectic fit over Enron, and no one DIED. NOW do you see the reason for my bringing it up?
Bullshit. If they want to make the magazine half-parody, then SAY IT IS. DON'T try to pass it off as FACT. That is professional malpractice, and doing so should generate consequences. THAT is what it means to be a PROFESSIONAL. If it's true for EVERY OTHER professional field in the world, why are journalists exempt? What makes THEIR shit so special that it CAN'T stink? |
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