The more laws they create the less I care.

radioman

The people on the "gun control" bandwagon have a problem, they are not even sure that they understand thier own meaning of the phrase "gun control" possibly the most misused words in our american society!.......[rocket]

Hank is right on.  the minute we take a breath, we will find ourselved disarmed by the true terrorist in the US.  The gun control Nazis. must be stopped first and foremost.  Second, as hard as it is to talk to a brick wall, we must attempt to make these blind sheep see just how dangerous their misguided beliefs are.

Take care all and shoot straight!

ar50guy

they are gonna have to get my prints 'cause I gonna go ballistic!

Sooner or later thay are forcing us to become an outlaws.  Once they do that what stops us from just breaking them all.

"we think we should have freedom.  No,freedom is granted.  I don't want freedom.... I want Liberty"

edit 'casue of slippy fingers

I had an e-mail debate with a gun owner who supported "gun control".  We disagreed pretty vehemently over [i]why[/i] the right to keep and bear arms is so important.  The election finally changed his mind.  When he saw what Gore & Co. attempted he [b]finally[/b] understood just how easily our "democratic" government can be undermined, and why an armed populace is needed to keep those who would undermine it in check.  [sniper]

Your right, they are just blind sheep. Antis cant think for themselves. They do whatever their shepard tells them. Sheep follow shepard. See a solution to the problem here. Now I'm not saying kill all gun rights activists, just undermine their leadership or theyll never question the credibilty of their standpoint. Myself, I'm not exactly sure how to acomplish this, but someone out there has got to have an idea. Since they are not smart enough to see on our level, we may havae to step down and play their game of dirty politics. Sounds bad, but it may come down to this.

radioman, I am beginning to feel the same way.  I used to give a $hit about being a good citizen, but WTF does having a flash hider or pistol grip have to do with being a good person?  NOTHING

Mike and Melinda both post on subguns.com, BCR226 and BCR229.

All i have to say is....... This is such a failure for the sheeple. They start flooding the white housewith letters, all the white house has to do is burn em' and go to the address on the letters and tell them to guit, they dont= jail time.

Definition of Gun Control:
Being able to hit your intended target.

[brown]Evil Jewbroni~[/brown]

I'm right there with you buddy.

No real comfort in this, but in the future when the sheep are being marched off to the "showers", you know a lot of them are going to realize "Hey, those 'gun-nuts' were right about the true purpose of the Second Amendment. Too bad we didn't listen..." as history repeats itself.

Sorry AK2KX, you're wrong!

When the sheep are led off to the showers their only thought will be "Why doesn't someone do something to save us?".  These are the same ones that ask Government to do everything for them, and just don't understand that when Government can do "anything" for you it can, and will, do "anything" to you.

Sorry, rant mode off.

And then the gun owners, as they are the next group being led to the showers, will say "It is a good thing that we got the lesser of 2 evils because at least we were able to keep our guns a little while longer."

If the anti's are so worked up bout banning guns, then I wonder why they dont just go and try to ban cars and cigarettes.  I mean, look how many people those things hurt.  I wonder how many of them smoke....   Infact, people could drown in a bathtub, maybe they should go ahead and try to get rid of those too.  

also see the 'wrote the NRA' thread, they offer as much help as the government.  they need to get in the game or leave the stadium.

H'mmm i gues it'll be time to e-mail some letters to our reps. i wonder if they actually care or if they care only about getting reelected. is'nt democracy just grand. [pissed]

limit magazine capacity to 5 rounds? i guess those 10 rounders will become "pre-ban" and triple in cost. high-cap 7rd for a standard 1911, who would have thought? [:\]

if i suggested revolting after this, would i then be a "terroist"? what's a freedom loving american to do? conform? i'd guess that would be the civilized thing to do. the law is the law....what is law? existing force of someone elses prejudice and fear? soon i hope to get into law enforcement, but to me law should mean something. it should be based on principle, not fear and hate because of stereotypes and misinformation. just once...just once i would like to see an open and honest debate on national television about gun-control with all the stats, facts, and ideologies laid bear. where is the tolerence for others (including the beliefs) that i hear about so much?

what does it mean to be law-abinding? in order to have respect for law, law should treat all as innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. why punish 80 million people for something they might do? this does not make logical sense, but then lawfull evil people dont care about facts nor reason, only control of others.

wish i could live my life without worrying about becoming a serf lib

See this is the shit we should be worried about!  It's not going to be the cops going door to door to take our weapons.  It's the fucking politicians stealing our rights out from under our noses.  anybody that believes in the second amendment should also me registered to vote.  If you don't vote then you might as well turn in your weapons NOW!

Hank,

You hit the nail right on the head....

Isn't it odd that the people who say that us citizens don't need guns because man has evolved and become so much more civilized than he was when the Constitution was penned are the same people who say that gun crime is out of control and far too many people are massacred every year by firearms?

If you're having a debate with an anti-gunner much information is available from www.jpfo.org.  

And, never, never, ever vote Democrat.  If you're a member of a union, don't listen to the union leaders.

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I'm going to have to agree with libertarian. If this passes, revolution. Let me just quote my favorite Founding Father, in my favorite speech:

"...For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings

.... it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.

... Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free-- if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending--if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained--we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!

They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! ... The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. ... Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"

-Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775.
True today as when it was spoken. The time is coming.

Hank, thanks for the post.  Definately something to ponder.