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Link Posted: 9/3/2004 6:24:50 PM EDT
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It's amazing that we lived in peace with all of them until the last 50 years, they must have been plotting on us for the first hundred or so huh...



Interesting point.  Does this mean it all starts with Britain and Israel after WWII?
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 6:28:06 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/3/2004 6:28:10 PM EDT
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It's amazing that we lived in peace with all of them until the last 50 years, they must have been plotting on us for the first hundred or so huh...



Interesting point.  Does this mean it all starts with Britain and Israel after WWII?




I'd guess it's just because we didn't have as much interaction with them before we became big.


It sure seems like they don't live in peace with non-muslims when the non-muslims are right across the border instead of across an ocean.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 6:29:43 PM EDT
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It's amazing that we lived in peace with all of them until the last 50 years, they must have been plotting on us for the first hundred or so huh...



Interesting point.  Does this mean it all starts with Britain and Israel after WWII?



hmmm.... 50 years ago, a young John Kerry was fighting valiantly against the outrage that was the McCarthy hearings, coincidence?
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 6:31:47 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/3/2004 6:32:46 PM EDT
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If this pic is way over your head, don't worry.

The picture is from Taliban days... we all now how women were treated.



- BUCC_Guy


(Don't ban me)
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 6:34:26 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/3/2004 6:35:41 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/3/2004 6:41:24 PM EDT
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You know last i checked buddist,hindus and mormans were not indiscriminantly killing people nor had they declared WAR on my country. I certanly don't think EVERY muslim deserves to die. I will not however lose any sleep over a terrorist or supporter getting whacked.


But them Catholics sure are buggering a whole lot of little boys - nuke Rome!


What a pathetic analogy. Catholics by the millions decried the scandal and many left churches that were at the center of the firestorm. Many stopped giving money too.

Where do you see that in Islam?
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 6:55:28 PM EDT
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So let's say we do nuke 1/3 the planet's population from orbit - fuck it - let's just get them Buddist pagans and them Hindu multi-god people too and round off to an even 2/3 of the planet's population. There that's gonna' work. Better nuke them twice over as if we miss a few of them they'll just breed up again and come for us. And you know how mad you'd get if someone just up and nuked you and your innocent family huh?

Them mormans aren't too right either so drop one or two on Salt Lake. Lots of fags in Miami, New York, and San Francisco and we know Jesus hates fags ... pow. Now someone is wrong in Ireland as the Protestant and Catholics have been killing each others children right nicely for what ... getting close to two hundred years. Them jews are next if we've got a bomb or two left as they don't even reconize that there is but one Lord and Jesus Christ is his name.

Yupp time for a whole lot of inquistion from orbit. This it brilliant we need to pass this thread to the President.




I don't see buddists pagans taking schools hostage.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 6:57:31 PM EDT
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You know last i checked buddist,hindus and mormans were not indiscriminantly killing people nor had they declared WAR on my country. I certanly don't think EVERY muslim deserves to die. I will not however lose any sleep over a terrorist or supporter getting whacked.

mike



But them Catholics sure are buggering a whole lot of little boys - nuke Rome!



Take all the Catholic priests that "buggered" those boys, and compare it the the radicals in Palestine and you would get maybe 3 square block before you ran outta priests.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 7:02:53 PM EDT
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Time to Amend the Conduct Code!
Time to Amend the Conduct Code!
Time to Amend the Conduct Code!
Time to Amend the Conduct Code!
Time to Amend the Conduct Code!
Time to Amend the Conduct Code!
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 7:07:59 PM EDT
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It only took a few days in 1945 to turn Japan, one of the most militarized civilizations in the world, into one of the most pacifist.

We didn't "kill them all;" but we did kill an awful lot of them, and our vengance was terrible and ruthless.  But perhaps the same kind of attacks would not work now.  The German and Japanese were far more centralized, modern and coherent than the Muslim world has ever been.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 7:17:10 PM EDT
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Those were wars against politics not religion.

a man receiving a bullet to the head does not distinguish between a religious zealot or a political zealot.

in fact, there is no difference when religions and philosophies are taken to the extremes we are discussing.

hirihito was worshipped as divine.

hitler adored in a cult of personality that rivaled jesus.

stalin and mao were idolized and made icons.



the fact remains that evil is evil, be it based in a relgio-political ideology or an socio-ecoomic one. socialism...fascism...wahhabism...it doesn't matter on a practical level. even the most hardened communist, fascist...or (insert religion of choice here) can be killed.

when that evil is focused on your destruction...en masse...there can be only one rational response.

total destruction of your enemy to the point where resistance is futile or it is vanished.



there is a basic disagreement, here, as to 'who' is an enemy and 'who' is not.

george bush could not have made the choice more clearly. you are either with us or you are against us.

where do you think most of araby would fall in a poll on that? how about most of saudi arabia? most of yemem? syria? oman? or...perhaps chechnaya? i'm not even too certain about a mosque in cleveland, ohio. google fawaz damra and see what our local imam was up to.

i'm sure there were some japanese in nagasaki that were educated in america or had visited it and enjoyed the united states.

i'm certain hamberg or dusseldorf had citizens with kind and generous relatives in the eastern united states.

that didn't stop the bombers and it didn't stop the tanks and it didn't stop the soldiers.

they had a war to win.

i really don't care if it's hirohito you worship or allah or a totem pole. if you want to kill me or destroy my way of life...well, you are my enemy. if you support the people that are trying to kill me, you are also my enemy.

i think bush, despite getting some things wrong, got this one right.

i'm glad i don't have the responsibility of making the big decisions about this war. i probably would find it all too simple and revert to tactics that won us ww2.

hmmmm? i wonder if baseball will ever catch on in bahrain?



Link Posted: 9/3/2004 7:27:51 PM EDT
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Coming late to this thread.


Gonzo you nailed it.

At the risk of pissing off some of the more delicate sensitivities here, I can't help but be blunt -

The sheer, unadulterated IDIOCY behind the recent lockings are beyond understanding.

When the cocksucking MoslemMaggot terrorists start rounding up OUR children and start chanting "ALLU AKBAR" as they hack the heads off some of OUR children in Indiana or Florida or New York - I'll be sure to wanna see all these same oh-so-tooooooolerant PC-police crying how horribly offensive WE are being in simply banging out on a fucking discussion board the words "KILL THEM ALL".



I have NEVER been ashamed of what goes on on this board - but today it's getting pretty damn close given the circumstances of this board trying its best to tip-toe around the fact that WE'RE FIGHING WORLD WAR III AGAINST A PAN-ISLAMIC ENEMY OF SUBHUMAN JACKALS!!!

Link Posted: 9/3/2004 7:29:59 PM EDT
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It is obvious to me that this is not America's war on terror, this is a GLOBAL CRUSADE!

To "them" it does not matter if you are a Christian, Jew, Catholic, atheist, American, Spaniard, Russian, etc.

We are all infidels to them. They started this, it is up to the the rest of the world that is not a member of their fanatical religion to finish it. They will never stop, they will never agree to any peace treaty or honor it since it is okay to lie to an infidel. They will never stop their hatred.
They will never stop torturing and killing the innocent for their cause. They cannot and will not ever peacefully co-exist, therefore they must be eliminated. What other answer is there?

I am ashamed that so many just don't get it. People are so afraid someone might get offended or get their little feelings hurt that many have become afraid to call our enemies what they really are.

Link Posted: 9/3/2004 7:31:29 PM EDT
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Coming late to this thread.


Gonzo you nailed it.

At the risk of pissing off some of the more delicate sensitivities here, I can't help but be blunt -

The sheer, unadulterated IDIOCY behind the recent lockings are beyond understanding.

When the cocksucking MoslemMaggot terrorists start rounding up OUR children and start chanting "ALLU AKBAR" as they hack the heads off some of OUR children in Indiana or Florida or New York - I'll be sure to wanna see all these same oh-so-tooooooolerant PC-police crying how horribly offensive WE are being in simply banging out on a fucking discussion board the words "KILL THEM ALL".



I have NEVER been ashamed of what goes on on this board - but today it's getting pretty damn close given the circumstances of this board trying its best to tip-toe around the fact that WE'RE FIGHING WORLD WAR III AGAINST A PAN-ISLAMIC ENEMY OF SUBHUMAN JACKALS!!!




Fuckin-A Bubba !!
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 7:33:10 PM EDT
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Coming late to this thread.

Gonzo you nailed it.

At the risk of pissing off some of the more delicate sensitivities here, I can't help but be blunt -

The sheer, unadulterated IDIOCY behind the recent lockings are beyond understanding.

When the cocksucking MoslemMaggot terrorists start rounding up OUR children and start chanting "ALLU AKBAR" as they hack the heads off some of OUR children in Indiana or Florida or New York - I'll be sure to wanna see all these same oh-so-tooooooolerant PC-police crying how horribly offensive WE are being in simply banging out on a fucking discussion board the words "KILL THEM ALL".



I have NEVER been ashamed of what goes on on this board - but today it's getting pretty damn close given the circumstances of this board trying its best to tip-toe around the fact that WE'RE FIGHING WORLD WAR III AGAINST A PAN-ISLAMIC ENEMY OF SUBHUMAN JACKALS!!!


Fuckin-A Bubba !!


+ Alot.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 8:03:26 PM EDT
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If you people will come out right now and plainly state the following words, then I'll stop debating with you.  Repeat this:

"Fuck the United States Constitution and what it stands for."

Just say those words and I'll truly know what kind of people we have around this place.

Because, by your convictions of mass murdering people of a specific religion, you are ignoring constitutional principles.






I honestly believe our forefathers would roll over in their graves if they heard "our" interpetation of the constitution. They would never have allowed a dome hut temple thingy to be built back then.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 8:27:33 PM EDT
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So let's say we do nuke 1/3 the planet's population from orbit - fuck it - let's just get them Buddist pagans and them Hindu multi-god people too and round off to an even 2/3 of the planet's population. There that's gonna' work. Better nuke them twice over as if we miss a few of them they'll just breed up again and come for us. And you know how mad you'd get if someone just up and nuked you and your innocent family huh?

Them mormans aren't too right either so drop one or two on Salt Lake. Lots of fags in Miami, New York, and San Francisco and we know Jesus hates fags ... pow. Now someone is wrong in Ireland as the Protestant and Catholics have been killing each others children right nicely for what ... getting close to two hundred years. Them jews are next if we've got a bomb or two left as they don't even reconize that there is but one Lord and Jesus Christ is his name.

Yupp time for a whole lot of inquistion from orbit. This it brilliant we need to pass this thread to the President.




Fuckin' A bubba, Fuckin' A






oh, wait, you were being sarcastic.



damn.





Link Posted: 9/3/2004 8:32:40 PM EDT
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I honestly believe our forefathers would roll over in their graves if they heard "our" interpetation of the constitution. They would never have allowed a dome hut temple thingy to be built back then.



They would be asking for tin foil to make one of them swank triangle shaped hats to go with their buckle shoes
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 8:37:49 PM EDT
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The team that wins is the one who killed the most.



The Soviets won in Afghanistan? Huh, strange.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 8:38:53 PM EDT
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It seems to me that the folks that are saying "Kill them all" are saying this not in relation to any RACE, or NATIONALITY.   Rather, they're saying that voluntary adherants to a specific IDEOLOGY fall into this category.

An ideology that, as one author puts it, has BLOODY BORDERS wherever it goes.  

An ideology that  whereever it arises to any level of power, leaves dead by the scores in its wake.  

An ideology that is utterly and completely incompatible with the notions of human rights, dignity and FREEDOM upon which this nation was built.  

An ideology that, by its holy writ, is charged with coming "to a neighborhood" near you and either converting you, enslaving you (and making property of your women and daughters), or killing you.  

Now, where I'm having trouble here is that, implicit in the refusal to allow opinions that believe it is high time to wipe out this entire ideology, is the opinion that IDEOLOGY ITSELF cannot be universally regarded as EVIL.  

We're told that we CAN post "kill all the terrorists" without having our posts locked, of course.   But to many perfectly reasonable people, especially those who have read the Muslim "holy writs" (the Koran and the Haddith), the inescapable conclusion is that Islam ITSELF is irretreivably terroristic in nature.  In fact THEIR GOD explicitly TELLS THEM to "TERRORIZE" the non-muslims.   Their holy writ itself adops a  "kill them all" attitude in regard to non-Muslims.  And their adherents, in this day and age, are openly practicing the expansion of the religion by the sword.   Or supporing it with donations.   Or standing in silence as the active branch of the religion carries out attrocities in all Muslims' names.  Doing nothing.  Not even condemning the brutality.   CAIR, the "Council for American Islamic Relations" couldn't even be bothered to put up a statement on what was going on, in the name of ISLAM, in Russia.   Those guys who indiscriminatly killed American men, women and children on 9-11 screamed "Allah Ackbahr" as they flew their victims into the buildings.   An ex-military guy and his young follower become more and more dedicated to ISLAM, and the next thing you know, they're shooting unarmed US citizens.    RebelGray converts to the IDEOLOGY and the next thing you know, he's teaching our enemies how to kill our boys over there.    How many beheadings have been performed by the members of the IDEOLOGY in recent months.   WHAT ARE THEY CHANTING AS THEY KILL THE INNOCENTS?!

If a religious doctrine arose, whereunder the HOLY WRIT of that religion it was the duty of all adherents to take their neighbor's first born in the dead of night, behead the children ritualistically, and eat them (i.e., cannabalism), and even a small faction of the "religion" put that practice into action, then would it be overstepping the COC to post "kill all of the cannabalists?"   Why?  Doesn't such a policy, which declares that just because something is an organized religion it is somehow elevated and immune from universal contempt, actually equate to moral relativism?  How about if the religion depicted in the second Indiana Jones movie was "real" and its adherents were kidnapping your friends and neighbors, pulling out their hearts, and lowering them into pits of fire?   What about a headhunters revival meeting every sunday?    I dare say that if such a religion arose, it would be universally condemned, and whether by the government or the citizens acting of their own right, the voluntary adherents to such an abomination would be killed or otherwise dealth with.  

I dunno.    I reserve the right to call a spade a spade.   To point out that not all religions are created equally.   To hold the opinion that it is possible for an IDEOLOGY to be so inherently evil that anyone who professes to belong to that ideology must be dealt with harshly lest my family or friends be killed by the ideology.

I cannot imagine that anyone in the United States would have quibbled over a "kill em all" comment regarding the NAZIs during WWII.   Sure, it would be unfortunate that the "nazi youth" included young children who had been brainwashed into that mindset.   But the mindset and the belief system is what was the problem.   Letting the mindset continue could do nothing but harm.    

Apparently, all the NAZI's needed to do was disguise their totalitarian and murderous regime up as a religion and it would be be protected from the scrutiny or universal contempt it disserved.

At least on AR15.COM.

Its been years since 9-11.   The "peaceful" muslims, if indeed that term is not an oxymoron, have had every opportunity to take an active role and help us ferret out the bad actors in their midst.   But they're not.    They provide them with aid.   With comfort.   And that makes them "those who harbor" the terrorists, in my view.  And our commander in chief says, and rightly so, that we should not make a distinction between the terrorists and those who harbor them.

Except on AR15.COM, it would seem.

One last point.    I know not everyone will find it satisfying or appealing, but it is certainly the case that the only use of Nuclear Weapons in wartime in human history had an aggregate effect of SAVING lives and immediatly ended conflict with an honor-shame society.  Millions of "innocents" died.   But the adherents of the imperialistic japanese mindset lost their support rather quickly.    I would suggest that its not productive to keep that option perpetually off of the table in the war against islamic terror.   Perhaps if some nation victimized by such terrorism finally engaged in some collective retribution on a level sufficent to SHOCK the enemy, the mindset that enables terrorism might find less support.  

At the very least, the "marketplace of ideas" should be utilized to vet ALL of the options in dealing with the problem at hand.   Some of it may be venting.   Some of it may be naked hate.   But there is nothing wrong with that, in my view.  It is our own pussificiation that has emboldened our enemies so much in the last several decades.   So, take this post for what its worth.   It is my opinion, and I wish it weren't so, that we will one day need to face the prospect of dealing with the evil that has adopted the guise of an organized religion and to deal with it on a universal and uncompromising level.  And our survival will likely depend on killing the adherents of the evil IDEOLOGY before they can kill us.   They will make no distinction, indeed they HAVEN'T made any distinction, between man, woman or child.   Nor, when the time comes, will we be able to afford to. I fear history will prove that those who are being labled as hate mongers and having their posts wind up locking threads are not so far off from what needs to be done.  







+1
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 8:40:42 PM EDT
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For one thing, the people of the book are non-muslims, and there is NO command in the koran to kill people of the book.  

Sure, the koran encourages the subjugation and conquest of non-muslims, INCLUDING people of the book, but to say that the koran commands the killing of non-muslims is bullshit.



*whew!*  THAT'S a relief!  



I was thinking the same thing.

Dutchboy is grasping at straws this time.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 8:42:41 PM EDT
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The sheer, unadulterated IDIOCY behind the recent lockings are beyond understanding.



It pains me to agree.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 8:44:43 PM EDT
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Is genocide wrong?  Undoubtedly.  Taking innocent life is wrong.  Certainly, there must be some innocent muslims out there...maybe 3 or 4.

Would The Neutral Observer dance in the streets if every muslim died tomorrow?  Absolutely.  Would He be wrong for doing so?  Absolutely.  Would He care?  Hell no.

EDIT:  It beats the alternative, which is for Americans to become the target of genocide.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 8:45:12 PM EDT
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once upon a time we used the 'kill them all' philosophy on germany and japan.

nuclear bombs and firestorms do not discriminate.

remember when saturation bombing and carpet bombing were cool?

remember when, "the only good commie is a dead commie"?

ah...those were the days! back when we could actually win a war by killing the bastards in numbers so significant that they finally gave up and bought g.e. toaster ovens from us and learned to play baseball as THEIR national passtime, too. yes, by thinking that way, it was actually possible to win a war.

hmmm? do you think you could ever teach osama to play second base? i don't think so.



yes...those were the days when it was actually possible to annihilate your enemy and win a war. i wonder if the bombadier of the enola gay was concerned with killing just 'some' of those in the kill radius...or 'all' of them?




Spoken like a man, not a cowering fagget who doesn't know how to defeat an enemy because he doesn't want to get in the dirt with the enemy.

Campybob for president!
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 8:47:19 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/3/2004 8:49:59 PM EDT
[#29]

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Dutchboy is grasping at straws this time.



Considering the Koran, in writting, actually FORBIDS the attacking of non-military targets or people in Jihad, I think you're the confused and dazed.

The "Islam" that terrorists teach and use is not Islam at all... The Islam that terrorists use is the same "Christianity" that anti-abortion groups use when they murder a doctor.

All in all, hyporcrisy and double-standards enough to wade in and swim in occasionally. These people aren't religious. Oh, no. They are POLITICAL. A terrorist makes a political statement, and they need the Koran to say they are justified (which the Koran does not say) in order to gain support.

...There's a REASON why most suicide bombers are actually college students and educated people... It ain't no coincidence, people. Suicide bombers are people that want to make political statements when they can't.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 8:51:46 PM EDT
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The sheer, unadulterated IDIOCY behind the recent lockings are beyond understanding.


We can disagree here... But you calling the mods/admins idiots is over the line.

Mac, calm down. We're all pissed, so I don't see any reason for you to angry WHEN WE AGREE WITH YOU (that terrorists are scum)!

Calm down, Mac.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 8:54:26 PM EDT
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I cant say what I think or I would get banned.
I think the world would be better off if there were no muslims left on the planet. NONE.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 8:54:29 PM EDT
[#32]

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once upon a time we used the 'kill them all' philosophy on germany and japan.

nuclear bombs and firestorms do not discriminate.

remember when saturation bombing and carpet bombing were cool?

remember when, "the only good commie is a dead commie"?

ah...those were the days! back when we could actually win a war by killing the bastards in numbers so significant that they finally gave up and bought g.e. toaster ovens from us and learned to play baseball as THEIR national passtime, too. yes, by thinking that way, it was actually possible to win a war.

hmmm? do you think you could ever teach osama to play second base? i don't think so.



yes...those were the days when it was actually possible to annihilate your enemy and win a war. i wonder if the bombadier of the enola gay was concerned with killing just 'some' of those in the kill radius...or 'all' of them?





Well said Campy
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 8:55:37 PM EDT
[#33]
locked-I'm getting tired of this
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