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Posted: 11/10/2003 2:32:44 PM EDT
[#1]
Thats nice, but we need Pics !
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Posted: 11/10/2003 2:37:36 PM EDT
[#2]
So what the hell is Beretta up to anyway? Reconsidering production? Awhilst ago they seemed all Randy about pushing these things out on the market, and all us gun nerds were chomping at the bit. 9mm, .40, .45...versions...the whole kit-n-kaboodle, if you will.
AND...I distinctly remember a "kit" model to be offered which allowed for a 9mm and .45 conversion. Why in Sam Hell are they pulling back? |
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Posted: 11/10/2003 2:38:34 PM EDT
[#3]
Steyr..do you have pics or a website with the gun??
I am curious now. I remember seeing it last spring..I've forgotten what it looks like. |
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Posted: 11/10/2003 2:40:10 PM EDT
[#4]
I'll post some REAL pics when I have it.
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Posted: 11/10/2003 2:47:09 PM EDT
[#5]
Beretta does'nt have it on their website...whats up? Someone else have it? |
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Posted: 11/10/2003 2:57:41 PM EDT
[#6]
Spacegun huh? I'm curious now... want to see what this thing looks like.
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Posted: 11/10/2003 3:02:29 PM EDT
[#7]
www.berettaweb.com/Beretta%20CX4_Storm/CX4_storm1.htm
I want one. Guess I'll have to wait until I move out of this state 
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Posted: 11/10/2003 3:14:16 PM EDT
[#8]
Does it use 92F mags ?
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Posted: 11/10/2003 3:14:57 PM EDT
[#9]
Yukky... I predict you'll dump it within 90 days...
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Posted: 11/10/2003 3:22:04 PM EDT
[#10]
Uhhhhhhhhh...I'll pass.
 Looks like my ole....nevermind. To each his own. I'm just too old fashioned... |
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Posted: 11/10/2003 3:29:52 PM EDT
[#11]
Beretta is probably waiting to see how the AWB goes.
If it expires, they probably don't want to get stuck with a bunch of politicaly correct weapons they can't sell, and would have to re tool. If it stays in effect, they would have an over abundance of LEO only weapons. To flash suppressor or not? That is the question, as far as weapon manufacturers go. |
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Posted: 11/10/2003 3:41:59 PM EDT
[#12]
New in box, $665.00 delivered, right here...
www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91805 |
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Posted: 11/10/2003 3:46:53 PM EDT
[#13]
Yes, there are actually 2 pmm versions. One uses 92FS mags, the other uses Cougar mags.
I don't think so. All my LE catalogs offer a LE model Cx4 Storm and the only difference is the LE model ships with restricted LE mags. Of course they don't have them in stock yet either. My gut tells me this might be a limited production sort of thing like the HK USC. They probably don't want to make too many in case they don't sell.
I doubt it. I got to hold one at the Shot Show and that is when I KNEW I had to have one. Despite the looks it is a handy, extremely well balanced carbine. |
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Posted: 11/10/2003 3:49:52 PM EDT
[#14]
Yeah, I never heard of the guy. And there is no guarantee he actually has them "in stock." Price isn't that bad, but I think I'll wait till one of my suppliers/wholesalers has a few. |
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Posted: 11/10/2003 3:54:26 PM EDT
[#15]
Yes, it takes M9 mags (or the 9mm version does, anyhow)...
This is Beretta's answer to the HK USC, and (Ruger has a similar carbine that fits the mags from their semiauto pistols)... As for the AWB, this thing is still affected by the 89 import ban unless it's made in the USA... So the bunghole stock, etc has to stay... |
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Posted: 11/12/2003 10:17:24 AM EDT
[#16]
OK, I have a few available to me, if anyone wants one they are $625.00 + s/h.
I will NOT be able to do a group buy on these right now as my supply is very limited and it will go faster than I could coordinate a group buy. |
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Posted: 11/12/2003 10:44:28 AM EDT
[#17]
IM inbound..
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Posted: 11/12/2003 10:56:46 AM EDT
[#18]
Beretta has a factory in Accokeek Maryland. |
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Posted: 11/12/2003 11:06:47 AM EDT
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is that stock considered a pistol grip? could you put a flash hider on it?
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Posted: 11/12/2003 11:12:18 AM EDT
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i'm very interested in a range report on one of these
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Posted: 11/12/2003 11:16:11 AM EDT
[#21]
Probably is considered a pistol grip, so unless the AWB is not renewed I doubt a flash hider would be legal. |
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Posted: 11/12/2003 11:26:15 AM EDT
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I'd love to see one with a threaded barrel/flash hider and some sort of collapsing stock... It looks like they might be able to rig something up to give it 3-4 inches of play. I'd like to get one, and if the ban is not replaced, I'll get the barrel threaded and seek a supressor! |
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Posted: 11/14/2003 3:45:42 PM EDT
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It's here:
  Comes standard with a clean kit (nice one actually), 2 mags, a stock spacer and one accessory rail (in addition to the integral one under the barrel.) Reading the manual, this gun can do tricks. In addition to being adjustable for left or right handed eject with a reversable bolt, you can also adjust the caliber much like a Uzi. In other words get a .45 bolt, barrel and mag and you have a .45 storm.  Sights are pretty much your front post and rear flip sight. But in addition to the standard 2 peep appetures you can fold down both front and rear sights for a unobstructed view when using optics.   Despite looking kinda funky, this is one comfortable (and lightweight) carbine. But I knew that from checking one out at the Shot Show which is why I had to have one.   Multiple mounting points for accessory rails. |
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Posted: 11/14/2003 3:46:30 PM EDT
[#24]
   Gonna range test it tommarow and if it performs like I think it will I will have a brand new personal defense carbine. If those aftermarket 30 round mags work reliably the Cx4 Storm will officially retire my UZI. |
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Posted: 11/14/2003 4:04:13 PM EDT
[#25]
looks good!
must......fight......the......urge.....to.....spend.....more.....money.... 
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Posted: 11/14/2003 5:05:43 PM EDT
[#26]
It has a sharp looking box to boot!
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Posted: 11/14/2003 5:06:53 PM EDT
[#27]
I have to be honest, why pay that much for a 9MM carbine when you can get 3 Hi-Point carbines for the same price, and the Hi-Point is probably more accurate........mine is a tack driver, and a lot of fun to shoot......
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Posted: 11/14/2003 5:08:09 PM EDT
[#28]
Does George Lucas know you visited?
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Posted: 11/14/2003 5:37:52 PM EDT
[#29]
Because.... a)The CX4 looks cool b)Better optics mounts, imo c)Looks badass d)Rather quick caliber change e)Beretta is a great name f)Looks cool. |
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Posted: 11/14/2003 5:56:16 PM EDT
[#30]
Personally, I wouldn't mention the Cx4 and a Hi Point in the same sentence. That Beretta is one fine piece of work.
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Posted: 11/14/2003 6:17:53 PM EDT
[#31]
I like it!
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Posted: 11/14/2003 6:56:13 PM EDT
[#32]
To add: 1. Beretta has high caps, including aftermarket 30 rounders. 2. Having not even shot it the Cx4 is more accurate cause the Hi Point is a POS. I think you confused POS with "tackdriver." 3. HiPoints are one of those guns that suck ass so hard I will not stock, sell or order them. |
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Posted: 11/14/2003 7:16:34 PM EDT
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like others have said, i've heard nothing but bad things about high-point |
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Posted: 11/14/2003 7:42:18 PM EDT
[#34]
Oh yeah, forgot to ask:
What about controls? Ejecting and changing mags, bolt hold, release, etc? |
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Posted: 11/14/2003 8:05:44 PM EDT
[#35]
Ummmmmm, apparently, you would. 
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Posted: 11/14/2003 8:36:22 PM EDT
[#36]
 Ok in this pic. The reversable charging handle can be seen up top. When the bolt it reversed the charging handle is on the opposite side for left handed shooters. Ejection port is visible above pistol grip but covered by the bolt. Cross bolt safety is right above trigger. Mag release can be seen on the right of the trigger guard in more or less the same location as Beretta handguns. Bolt release (yes it has a last shot hold open) can be seen to the right of the cross bolt safety. It is more or less in the same location as a slide release. Forward of the trigger guard level with the cross bolt safety is the dissasembly latch and looks like a indentation. |
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Posted: 11/14/2003 9:30:02 PM EDT
[#37]
the Hi-Point carbine has received very good reports for accuracy and also very dependable...I know the Hi-Point pistols are POS, but, this little carbine will fool you...
Hell, you can buy a Wilson 45ACP carbine conversion kit for a 1911 for $345 that makes the Cx4 look like a piece of crap anyway.... |
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Posted: 11/14/2003 9:39:52 PM EDT
[#38]
LMFAO. Wilson 1911 carbine conversion?!? Dude do ya own a nifty Lorcin too? Do have have a Jennings that is really a peach? Let's do a little experiment. 1. Have you shot or even held a Cx4 Storm? Answer: No I'm not really psychic but 1. They just came out and 2. You can't afford one so I know the answer. Based upon that, how the hell are you qualified to declare them a "piece of crap" especially as compared to one of the "gooberist" guns known to mankind. And just so you know, the Hi Point CARBINE, as well as their handguns, are complete junk. But don't worry I hear Raven has plans to make a carbine conversion for their handgun line and it is suppossed to be "really awesome" and "super cool." Start saving your lunch money I hear it might cost $100. Thanks for the laughs dude, I can sleep now.  |
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Posted: 11/15/2003 9:41:48 AM EDT
[#39]
Range report, 300 rounds with not a single issue. Standard winchester whitebox 115 gr.
Accuracy is comporable to my MP5 and slightly less than my RRA 9mm AR. Much better than my Uzi at distance. The sights are nowhere near as accurate as my 9mm AR A2s, and not as practical as my HK but the Cx4 Storm is comfortable enough in my hands to make up the difference. It is a dramatic improvement over my Uzi. I still need to test those 30 round mags when they arrive and if they work I am good to go. 
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Posted: 11/15/2003 10:41:20 AM EDT
[#40]
from who exactly? other than yourself... |
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Posted: 11/15/2003 10:47:44 AM EDT
[#41]
I'm thinking the days of carbines in pistol calibers are limited. Maybe thats why they are hard to find?
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Posted: 11/15/2003 10:53:22 AM EDT
[#42]
I think they are hard to find because they are being legislated out of existence. I think they are very pracitcal, especially for home defense. More accurate than a handgun and usually a greater capacity for ammunition. Factor in the fact that they are a better platform for lights, laser and optics than a handgun and you have a ideal PDF. And while it is true that in most cases 9mm will overpenetrate building materials than a .223 round, the 9mm (or .45, etc.) has less felt recoil and audio impulse and make it better indoor friendly. Also a .223 round used for "home defense" might be considered overkill by many jurors. |
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Posted: 11/15/2003 10:55:31 AM EDT
[#43]
My Ex Hi-point was'nt that inaccurate..but,was still a pos. The pre-mature mag release and "clankiness" drove me up the wall. It was poorly pieced together with Ace hardware screws. The laser was the only reason I kept it for the year that I did. It looked more like a toy than real..IMO.
After seeing the Cx4 in real pics..it does'nt look half bad. I change my opinion Steyr..it looks tactical and functional. I can't afford the MP5 or variants....this might be a good choice. Will you be getting anymore in? Or is this a cameo? 30 round mags...hmmmmm. I'm still saving for .50...maybe...ahhhhhh..I hate decisions on guns. 
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Posted: 11/15/2003 11:09:05 AM EDT
[#44]
And isn't that what is most important, that it looks "tactical?" I have about 2 dozen avaiable to me right now if you want one. And I do think this is gonna be the "best bet" pistol caliber carbine going. A LOT cheaper than a HK USC with a higher magazine capacity. A LOT more portable and compact, and as a result more practical indoors, than a AR15 9mm. And a LOT more attainable than a MP5 or even a HK94. Postban Uzi semis are out there (for about $1,000) but I thnk the Beretta beats it all the way around. |
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Posted: 11/15/2003 11:28:54 AM EDT
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Steyr, are you going to get a .45 bolt and give it a go in that caliber? I'd love to hear how it handles .45 I have decided not to get a .45 kit for my Vector since I think it's a bit much having tried a UMP and found it to be pretty unpleasant in full auto. But it would be cool to have a semi in .45 that would be fairly accurate. And also have the advantage of shooting at indoor ranges. Also, is there such thing as a pre-ban hi-cap Berreta mag in .45? Depending on your answers, I may have to snag one of these myself!
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Posted: 11/15/2003 11:39:54 AM EDT
[#46]
Thinking bout the .45. But the main factor will be the AW not being renewed so I can thread the barrel for a suppressor. Not sure if there is such a thing as .45 high caps. If there were they would probably only be 12 rounders unless aftermakets were also made. Now they are also going to have a .40 so if they made high caps for the Beretta 96 you may want to consider that. |
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Posted: 11/15/2003 11:52:49 AM EDT
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Thanks for the info, I'll stay tuned.
PS: Steyrs price is very decent. If you want one buy it from him, I doubt you'll do much better. |
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Posted: 11/15/2003 11:57:04 AM EDT
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Steyr, when this first got announced I went hunting around the net for info on .45 mags for it (since I have a .45 pistol), thinking about a carbine to match my pistol caliber, and I couldn't find anything that I would call "large capaciety" compared to a pistol. Not even in aftermarkets. They might be out there, but I couldn't find it. |
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Posted: 11/15/2003 12:26:08 PM EDT
[#49]
FYI, I normally sell them for $675.00, $625 is a arfkom price. |
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Posted: 11/15/2003 12:47:44 PM EDT
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If you like ARs you'll like the Beretta Storm. If you like cheap you won't like anything from Beretta.
The .45 version will use Cougar .45 mags; these are 8 round capacity and there isn't any such thing as a hi-cap that I am aware of. This should suit all the 1911 guys who don't need more than 7 anyway. |
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