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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:15:18 PM EDT
[#1]
Dumb it down.
Negative or positive step? |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:16:22 PM EDT
[#2]
The only thing I want to hear from the ATF is that they are closing shop.
Fuck the ATF. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:17:08 PM EDT
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? It's GD so I'm gonna go with "OH GOD THEY'RE OUTLAWING PISTOLS BUT I AIN'T GOT TIME TO READ IT". And then 4 pages, two personal attacks and locked. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:17:30 PM EDT
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Anything with them is bad. They'd like to make anything with a pistol grip nfa
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:17:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:18:00 PM EDT
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? Not a negative necessarily, but it moves more guns to be under control of the NFA, which isn't good for us. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:19:02 PM EDT
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so, what do they want to do
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:19:12 PM EDT
[#8]
Motherfuck the ATF
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:19:39 PM EDT
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Not a negative necessarily, but it moves more guns to be under control of the NFA, which isn't good for us. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? Not a negative necessarily, but it moves more guns to be under control of the NFA, which isn't good for us. how is that not a negative? |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:20:43 PM EDT
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:21:33 PM EDT
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how is that not a negative? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? Not a negative necessarily, but it moves more guns to be under control of the NFA, which isn't good for us. how is that not a negative? This. Are they going to start saying that pistol AR's are actually SBRs? |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:21:54 PM EDT
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Is this aimed at that Sig X thingy?
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:22:20 PM EDT
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I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA. I'd like to see the goofy as wording they'll have to work out for that one. Unless the make exceptions by name. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:23:38 PM EDT
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I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA. Why don't they do something productive.. Like get the guns back they lost in Mexico. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:24:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA. haha Fuck them, I already paid to have a Draco, AR pistol, and HK SP89 into NFA SBRs haha. ohh yeah $600 for a short barrel and stock ummm. Fuck them...
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:26:18 PM EDT
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so, what do they want to do ? Ar pistols will no longer be considered pistols, possibly in the future these will be NFA only. 
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:26:22 PM EDT
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I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA. That would make sense.  
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:26:48 PM EDT
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Sounds like they want to shitcan ar and ak pistols.
In states that don't allow sbr, we are fucked again. I would presume no more of the mare's leg type lever guns as well. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:28:45 PM EDT
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The only thing I want to hear from the ATF is that they are closing shop. Fuck the ATF. I'm ok with that. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:29:20 PM EDT
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I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA. That is later. I think the idea is to bring over 26 inch under 18 inch barreled shotguns into the registry. Right now they are just firearms per at least 3 letters. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:29:27 PM EDT
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They're currently going after trusts. Now they're trying to go after pistol ARs?
Was only a matter of time. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:29:50 PM EDT
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Why don't they do something productive.. Like get the guns back they lost in Mexico. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA. Why don't they do something productive.. Like get the guns back they lost in Mexico. Well that would be like admitting they fucked up. Can't have that. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:31:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why don't they do something productive.. Like get the guns back they lost in Mexico. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA. Why don't they do something productive.. Like get the guns back they lost in Mexico. Show me a .gov agency that does anything productive...  |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:32:03 PM EDT
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it looks as though they are simply removing a redundancy about making a pistol out of a rifle...
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:32:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is later. I think the idea is to bring over 26 inch under 18 inch barreled shotguns into the registry. Right now they are just firearms per at least 3 letters. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA. That is later. I think the idea is to bring over 26 inch under 18 inch barreled shotguns into the registry. Right now they are just firearms per at least 3 letters. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I think you are onto something.
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:33:16 PM EDT
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If the AR started out as a pistol, then I would say the rule doesn't apply to it. If you take an existing rifle/carbine AR and turn it into a pistol then I would say it applies.
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:33:52 PM EDT
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I see it as going after pistol griped shotguns and lever action mare's legs, since they are not reloaded solely by the trigger. An ar pistol isn't a modified rifle but rather built from the start as a pistol. You can't take a rifle and make it into a pistol legally now.
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:34:21 PM EDT
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fucks sake, what are they doing and who are they doing it too?
Does anyone know? From what I understand it means you cant make a gun with a stock into a pistol. But that has been the law forever. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:36:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well that would be like admitting they fucked up purposely broke the law. Can't have that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA. Why don't they do something productive.. Like get the guns back they lost in Mexico. Well that would be like admitting they fucked up purposely broke the law. Can't have that. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:36:59 PM EDT
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Omitted from the proposed regulation is the language: ‘‘any gun altered or converted to resemble a pistol.’’ This language mirrors the statutory provisions in 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(2) and (4) translation we are taking this part out because we already say it here |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:39:26 PM EDT
[#31]
Start llc, get sot class 1, sell .001% shares of llc to friends that want to get cool class 3 stuff without a wait.
What could go wrong? |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:40:02 PM EDT
[#32]
Didn't they just lose 420 million cigarettes?
Didn't they violate the International Traffic in Arms Regulations in Fast and Furious? They really should be disbanded and some led away in handcuffs. Quote HistoryQuoted: The only thing I want to hear from the ATF is that they are closing shop. Fuck the ATF. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:41:12 PM EDT
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? When has it ever been positive? |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:41:13 PM EDT
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It doesn't show up on regulations.gov yet
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:42:13 PM EDT
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I'm not sure about the second part, because the definition sounds sort of machinegun like, but the first part about things that don't resemble guns, it to make things like brass knuckle guns into AOW.
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:42:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only thing I want to hear from the ATF is that they are closing shop. Fuck the ATF. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:42:16 PM EDT
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Reading it, they seem to be trying to find a way to change the "rifle to pistol to rifle" thing.
IE, they want to make it so you cant build a rifle into a pistol |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:43:06 PM EDT
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It doesn't show up on regulations.gov yet Because it was noticed in 2005.... Comment period is over and is considered a "final" rule... However. I cannot find where it has been implemented yet. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:43:53 PM EDT
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Have they opened that convenience store yet? |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:51:27 PM EDT
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I see it as going after pistol griped shotguns and lever action mare's legs, since they are not reloaded solely by the trigger. An ar pistol isn't a modified rifle but rather built from the start as a pistol. You can't take a rifle and make it into a pistol legally now. ??? Maybe Sig's "arm brace" and pistol-caliber carbine with attached supressor core (er, I meant to say "muzzle break") have pushed them into doing SOMETHING - just anything - to push back & tow the line. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:52:57 PM EDT
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Am I an idiot, or does no one know anything?
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:54:29 PM EDT
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Am I an idiot, or does no one know anything? What do you mean? Lots of people know lots of stuff. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:55:12 PM EDT
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So.... Time to panic buy pistol lowers?
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:56:12 PM EDT
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If the AR started out as a pistol, then I would say the rule doesn't apply to it. If you take an existing rifle/carbine AR and turn it into a pistol then I would say it applies. You cant do that anyways. A virgin receiver for an AR can become a lower, a pistol lower, or an SBR. A rifle can become a pistol or a SBR, but only w a tax stamp. Once it has had a stock on it, the 'rifle' has 'lost' its virginity. See, clear as mud
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:56:51 PM EDT
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How do you know it's being revived?
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:57:32 PM EDT
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That is later. I think the idea is to bring over 26 inch under 18 inch barreled shotguns into the registry. Right now they are just firearms per at least 3 letters. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA. That is later. I think the idea is to bring over 26 inch under 18 inch barreled shotguns into the registry. Right now they are just firearms per at least 3 letters. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile SONOFABITCH!
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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:57:42 PM EDT
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You cant do that anyways. A virgin receiver for an AR can become a lower, a pistol lower, or an SBR. A rifle can become a pistol or a SBR, but only w a tax stamp. Once it has had a stock on it, the 'rifle' has 'lost' its virginity. See, clear as mud Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If the AR started out as a pistol, then I would say the rule doesn't apply to it. If you take an existing rifle/carbine AR and turn it into a pistol then I would say it applies. You cant do that anyways. A virgin receiver for an AR can become a lower, a pistol lower, or an SBR. A rifle can become a pistol or a SBR, but only w a tax stamp. Once it has had a stock on it, the 'rifle' has 'lost' its virginity. See, clear as mud It did say they wanted to clarify it. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:00:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not a negative necessarily, but it moves more guns to be under control of the NFA, which isn't good for us. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? Not a negative necessarily, but it moves more guns to be under control of the NFA, which isn't good for us. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:00:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:01:54 PM EDT
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They're currently going after trusts. Now they're trying to go after pistol ARs? Was only a matter of time. This is coming straight down from Obama. He's looking for any outlet to restrict gun rights that he can slip by the courts and Congress. Everything is incremental steps with these guys. You have to look 5 or 6 steps and 10 years down the line to get a feel for what they're doing. Of course they'll lie to your face and say they don't want to force AR and AK pistols under NFA rules, but that's exactly what they're aiming for... pun intended.
They are some conniving bastards. |
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