Administration calls Mandate a Tax

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Posted: 7/18/2010 7:22:05 AM EDT

The argument that the mandate is a tax, and not a regulation of commerce, is also key to the Administration’s effort to delay legal challenges to the mandate, as taxpayers must first pay a tax and then seek a refund before challenging its constitutionality.

Just more cynical government power. It's like delaying tactics.

http://volokh.com/2010/07/18/administration-now-says-individual-mandate-is-a-tax/#comments

Posted: 7/18/2010 7:26:13 AM EDT

[#1]

If it is a tax it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL because it did not originate from the House of Representatives.

It started in the Senate. Passed. Then went to the House. Passed. Then went back to the Senate for the Reconciliation vote that everyone made a big deal out of remember?

Those lying weasely fucks first said 'It's not a tax, it's a fee'. Now to the courts they're saying the individual mandate is a tax. Which is it? you fucking communist shitbags

Posted: 7/18/2010 7:28:59 AM EDT

[#2]

BS. It's a mandate. Bet the USSC folds under pressure, though.

Posted: 7/18/2010 7:31:07 AM EDT

[#3]

Amazing back-tracking by the administration. Cue the youtube clips of 0bama insisting it isn't a tax.

Posted: 7/18/2010 7:42:25 AM EDT

[#4]

I really hope the GOP has the stones to make political hay out of this issue for the November election.

But, they probably won't.

Posted: 7/18/2010 9:01:54 AM EDT

[#5]

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Amazing back-tracking by the administration. Cue the youtube clips of 0bama insisting it isn't a tax.

Found it. absolutetly not a Tax

Posted: 7/18/2010 9:07:15 AM EDT

[#6]

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BS. It's a mandate. Bet the USSC folds under pressure, though.

I don't think the SCOTUS will let the mandate stand.

Posted: 7/18/2010 9:09:45 AM EDT

[#7]

Why would they fold after the Pres called them out during the SOTU?

Posted: 7/18/2010 9:10:32 AM EDT

[#8]

Wait, Zero promised no taxes on the middle class

Posted: 7/18/2010 9:11:36 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:

Wait, Zero promised no taxes on the middle class

Zero promised a lot of things.

Posted: 7/18/2010 9:11:53 AM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:

Wait, Zero promised no taxes on the middle class

Hurry! Make another "man made" disaster before anyone sees!

Posted: 7/18/2010 9:14:28 AM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:

Wait, Zero promised no taxes on the middle class

Yup, and he's a lying fuckface also.

No surprise there.

Posted: 7/18/2010 9:29:53 AM EDT

[#12]

"Because my mandate meets the dictionary definition of the word tax, it shows your argument is weak or something."

Posted: 7/18/2010 9:34:30 AM EDT

[#13]

WTF.

Well, here is to hoping that the courts fuck UHC, but I doubt they will. Too much pressure to not do so, even if it is their job under the circumstances.

Posted: 7/18/2010 9:39:55 AM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:

If it is a tax it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL because it did not originate from the House of Representatives.

It started in the Senate. Passed. Then went to the House. Passed. Then went back to the Senate for the Reconciliation vote that everyone made a big deal out of remember?

Those lying weasely fucks first said 'It's not a tax, it's a fee'. Now to the courts they're saying the individual mandate is a tax. Which is it? you fucking communist shitbags

LYING WEASELY FUCKS! FUCKING COMMUNIST SHTIBAGS!

They deserve no mercy, no quarter. Their trials should be faster and shorter than Tim McVeigh's. May they all rot in Levenworth dining on bologna and dirty water.

Posted: 7/18/2010 9:42:12 AM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:

If it is a tax it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL because it did not originate from the House of Representatives.

It started in the Senate. Passed. Then went to the House. Passed. Then went back to the Senate for the Reconciliation vote that everyone made a big deal out of remember?

Bills can originate in either the House of Representatives or the Senate. What matters is that they pass a vote in both bodies before going to to be signed or votoed by the POTUS.

Posted: 7/18/2010 10:05:28 AM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UcxU8PtzRs

"Because my mandate meets the dictionary definition of the word tax, it shows your argument is weak or something."

Why does this fuckin retard and all his little mentally challenged supporters always throw out Auto Insurance requirements? It's a bull shit argument you are not forced to buy auto insurance , you can drive without it and face the penalties. If you don't own a freakin car or don't drive you"re not forced to buy it. It's a bull shit comparison and this is the same fuckin retard who told his little ancedote of being hit in his hoopdie and being pissed that the bad insurance company wouldn't fix it because he only carried liability coverage. H e dosen't have clue one about how shit works but he's damn sure forcing it on us.

The fact that he went all arrogant, belittling, defensive when the definition was read just proves, he never expected the little people to question his intelligent and oh so benevolent ass we are to do as he says, pay what he says and STFU about it.

God he pisses me off.

Posted: 7/18/2010 3:54:57 PM EDT

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Quoted:

If it is a tax it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL because it did not originate from the House of Representatives.

It started in the Senate. Passed. Then went to the House. Passed. Then went back to the Senate for the Reconciliation vote that everyone made a big deal out of remember?

Bills can originate in either the House of Representatives or the Senate. What matters is that they pass a vote in both bodies before going to to be signed or votoed by the POTUS.

Nope, Revenue Bills can only originate from the House. Here's a refresher:

ARTICLE I

Section 7. All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

What exactly is a Bill for raising Revenue?

http://definitions.uslegal.com/r/revenue-bill/

A revenue bill focuses on methods for raising money, e.g. taxes, user fees, customs duties, and tariffs. Under the U.S. Constitution, federal revenue bills are required to be initiated in the House of Representatives. Many state statutes have similar statutes, requiring revenue bills to originate in a particular house of the legislature, or that revenue bills must be passed before a certain number of days prior to the expiration of the legislative session.

Seems pretty unambiguous if you ask me. obunga is calling it a tax himself and the Internal Revenue Service is tasked with enforcing it. It didn't start in the house nor is it an amendment that the senate added to a bill that came from the house either.