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Posted: 9/2/2014 6:40:42 PM EDT
The wait is over.
The journey home from the battlefield is a long one. The AN/PEQ-15 (ATPIAL) from Insight Technology, has been faithfully serving U.S. Warfighters as the standard issue aiming laser throughout the Global War on Terror. Seen on almost every U.S. weapon fielded since the mid 2000’s, the ATPIAL has been highly coveted by the commercial market, yet always out of reach due to government restrictions on high power infrared lasers... Until now.  Introducing the ATPIAL-C. Forged for the Warrior, Honed in the Crucible of Combat, and Proven by Heroes, the legendary AN/PEQ-15 is now available in a civilian-legal package as the ATPIAL-C. Some history how it came to be. At the 2014 SHOT Show TNVC was approached by Insight to discuss the viability of this product in the commercial market. Both TNVC and L-3/Insight believed it would be very well received by individual civilian and law enforcement personnel. We were asked to be the exclusive launch vehicle for the ATPIAL-C and jumped at the opportunity. Presently, TNVC is the only place to get these! After all these years in combat, TNVC is extremely excited to bring the ATPIAL-C home.  The unique aspect of the ATPIAL-C is it’s pulled right off the same military production line as its full power cousin, but with a civilian legal Class1 Infrared Laser Pointer and Illuminator. Other than the power rating, there is no difference between the ATPIAL-C and the ATPIAL. The ATPIAL-C (Advanced Target Pointer/Illuminator Aiming Laser – Commercial) is a multi-function Class1/IIIR Infrared/Visible laser from L-3/Insight Technology. It features an Infrared Laser Pointer (0.7 mW Class1), Visible Laser Pointer (4.6 mW Class 3R Red), and Infrared Laser Illuminator (3 mW Class 3R). Based on the standard issue AN/PEQ-15 (Class IIIb) for the U.S. Warfighter, the ATPIAL-C’s Class1/3R power makes it completely eye-safe and available to the general public. Class1 Infrared Laser Pointer feature a 0.7mW rating which is not restricted by the FDA. They will easily reach out to 450 yards, encompassing most target engagement ranges when paired with a night vision goggle for the civilian and law enforcement professional. Considering that Gen3 Night Vision Goggles have a maximum target identification range of 100-115 yards, the 450 yard range of the ATPIAL-C is perfect.  The Visible and Infrared Laser Pointers are slaved so that zeroing one will zero the other in tandem. The Infrared Laser Illuminator is a true laser illuminator system, producing no bright downrange visible signature as seen in infrared LED’s. In order to stay within Class1 guidelines, the Illuminator is lower power, able to reach 150 yards and is non-adjustable. This is perfect for short to medium range engagements. Like the full power ATPIAL, the ATPIAL-C’s Infrared Illuminator can be used to wash out the bloom of the Infrared Laser Pointer at engagement distances.  The ATPIAL-C is a low profile laser system that mounts to any standard M1913 Picatinny Rail. Its design allows it to sit lower on the rail than most other lasers, creating a "saddle bag” affect, so as not to impede the shooter’s sight picture when mounted at the 12 o’clock position. Its glass-reinforced high-strength polymer body housing is very robust and impact resistant. The unit features a simple dial selector for changing the output settings on top of the housing. Activation is achieved via the included remote pressure pad or onboard "fire” button. A rear-facing battery compartment makes changing batteries simple and convenient, even when the unit is pushed all the way forward against a standard AR Front Sight Base (by the way: you should never store your expensive night vision and lasers with the batteries installed). Windage and elevation adjustments require a small flat head screw driver and produce positive clicks. The ATPIAL-C is the closest thing an individual can get to the standard issue full power ATPIAL.   We are currently accepting pre-orders. L-3 will be delivering the first units to our warehouse mid to late November with the next shipment in mid to late December. Shipping will be first come, first served. Pre Orders must be paid in full. Place your Pre Order before September 15 and get it for only $1,199.00. That’s a $100 savings! After that, the price is $1,299 Get Your ATPIAL-C HERE!!! Manufacturer: L3/ Insight Technology Dimensions: 4.6?(L) x 2.8?(W) x 1.6?(H) Weight: 7.5 oz. w/ Battery Power: One (1) 3V DL123A Battery Battery Life: >6 Hours in Dual High Waterproof: 6 Meters for One Hour Warranty: 1 Year Warranty Infrared Laser Spec: —————————————————- IR Laser Class: Class1 IR Laser Output: 0.7 mW IR Laser Divergence: 0.5 mRad IR Laser Wavelength: 820nm – 850nm IR Laser Range: >450 Yards Visible Laser Spec: —————————————————- Visible Laser Class: IIIR Red Visible Laser Output: 4.6 mW Visible Laser Divergence: 0.5 mRad Visible Laser Wavelength: 605nm – 665nm Visible Laser Range: >25 Meters in Direct Sun IR Illuminator Specs: —————————————————- IR Illuminator Class: IIIR Infrared IR Illuminator Output: 3 mW IR Illuminator Divergence: 105 mRad IR Illuminator Wavelength: 820nm – 850nm IR Illuminator Range: >150 Yards |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 6:41:22 PM EDT
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These are the independent testing results, performed by TNVC. The purpose of this testing was to weigh the performance of the ATPIAL C in real life conditions. For the outdoor phases of this testing, the conditions were half-moon, clear skies, visible stars, and visible city lights (on the horizon) approximately ½ mile away. The furthest treeline in this image, is approximately 350 yards away, to give you some depth awareness. OUTDOOR TESTING *All photos posted below are of the ATPIAL C performing.   I know the question is going to be asked, "Is the IR illuminator visible?” The answer is, it’s just as visible on the ATPIAL C as it is on the PEQ-15. People talk about how the IR illuminators on the PEQ-15 aren’t visible. Well, I understand what they mean, however, they do put off a very faint visible red hue from the emitter itself. It’s hard to see, unless you are standing DIRECTLY in front of the unit, looking DIRECTLY into the emitter, which I DO NOT RECOMMEND. The faint red dot is hard to see and this is primarily because the emitter is recessed into the housing. The photos below, were taken with my iPhone 5, at a distance of 25 yards directly in front of the PEQ-15 and the ATPIAL C with their respective illuminators on. The top photo is the PEQ-15. Bottom photo is the ATPIAL C. Notice the faint red glow in both photos? Again this is extremely hard to see, and you have to be directly in front of the emitter. Slightly angled to the left, right, above or below, and you won’t be able to see this. I also noticed that I could never really get myself aligned to see the illuminator emission point at a distance beyond about 40 yards, and up until that point, it was extremely hard to see.   INDOOR TESTING All of these photos on the indoor test, were taken on the live fire range at Telluric Group’s training facility. This facility is optimized for low light/ no light training and the lighting can be controlled very precisely. The conditions in these photos are – no lights on whatsoever. The only visible light was the glow in the dark tape on the ranges light switch module, and the LED on the coffee machine in the classroom outside of the range, approximately 50 feet away, and on the other side of the bullet proof observation windows looking into the range. It was "can’t see my hand in front of my face” dark.  Significant amount of bloom. No more than what is standard in commercial .7 mW laser units.  The illuminator did cut down the bloom on the IR laser, however, in the photos, it looks a lot more "bloomy” than it did in real life, due to the camera interpreting the light. I took several photos and couldn’t capture the true cancellation of the laser bloom with the illuminator being used.   The built in neutral density filters into the laser covers work exactly as they are intended. Cut the bloom and give a very precise dot. Initially I had concerns that given the fact that these lasers were .7mW and not the 50mW as their restricted counterparts, I thought that the neutral density filters would cut too much of the power of the .7mW laser. I was wrong. They work perfectly. Lets take a closer look at the unit itself.   Aesthetically, you cannot tell the two apart. This is because the same internal parts, and the same exact body housings are being used for the ATPIAL C as they are on the PEQ-15. No cheap, knock off internals or sketchy mounts on this system. The ATPIAL C and the PEQ-15 are exactly the same right down to the stickers, except for the mW of the lasers being specified and the ability to adjust the IR illuminator spread.  Seeing as how the illuminator’s focus knob is locked and can’t be adjusted, we took some basic measurements of the IR illuminator in use. In this photo above, the red dashed circle is surrounding the immediate IR illuminator spread. The target, is a standard size IPSC target which is 18 inches wide. The illuminator spread is roughly 5.5 IPSC targets wide, which is approximately 8.25 feet. So at 25 yards, you have an illuminator spread of roughly 8.25 feet. With that knowledge, I think it’s safe to assume that at 50 yards, the spread will be approximately 16.5 feet, 75 yards – 24.75 feet, and so on. In my opinion, I think that is absolutely perfect for what is needed in short to medium ranges, which is truly what commercial IR laser units are designed for.  In this photo above, the red circles denote the 125 yard area where the IR illuminator is visibly lighting/illuminating. We feel that with these specific light conditions, 125 yards is going to be the max distance you can illuminate a darkened area and identify something. We also feel that 125-150 yards is the max usable distance in the darkest of outdoor conditions, for this IR illuminator. In essence, if a bad guy were hiding in that photo at 125 yards, I could have illuminated him, and determined him friend or foe. In summary, during these several months of extensive testing and evaluating the ATPIAL C, we have concluded several things. -The ATPIAL C performs EXACTLY the same as a PEQ-15 on low power setting. -Given the fact that the majority of Law Enforcement agencies use their PEQ-15’s on the low power setting due to bloom issues, the ATPIAL C is a great alternative for the commercial user, especially those that have transitioned out of active duty, where they were issued PEQ-15’s. -The IR illuminator has a maximum range of 150 yards in the darkest conditions. -Though the IR illuminator doesn’t have an adjustable beam, we think it’s actually perfect for being utilized in short to medium distances. Given the fact that positive ID through a PVS-14 or dual tube system is roughly 150 meters, the IR illuminator on the ATPIAL C fills that role quite nicely. L3/ Insight ATPIAL-C Class1/3R IR LaserIf you guys have any further questions, ask away and we will do our best to answer. We spent a significant amount of time with these units, and they certainly get our stamp of approval. This has been a long time coming, and we are glad we are finally able to bring this to light. |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 6:47:34 PM EDT
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Damn... This is bigger than the leaked photos the other day... Well done I know it's been a long road. I'll talk to Martin when I get back to town...
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Posted: 9/2/2014 7:17:31 PM EDT
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Looks like I'll be calling you guys about one in November.
Are these going to be a limited release thing or will you be stocking them? What was the reasoning behind a fixed illuminator? Will the IR laser have two brightness settings like the issued peq? |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 7:39:57 PM EDT
[#4]
Bam, ordered.
And I plan to order a few more, as bank accounts allow. |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 7:41:37 PM EDT
[#5]
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Posted: 9/2/2014 7:43:32 PM EDT
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Looks like I'll be calling you guys about one in November. Are these going to be a limited release thing or will you be stocking them? What was the reasoning behind a fixed illuminator? Will the IR laser have two brightness settings like the issued peq? We are a stocking distributor. The IR llluminator is fixed and pinned to insure the unit remains civilian legal. It cannot be turned without busting the unit and voiding the warranty. Just one brightness setting, everything else identical including the programmable features of the lasers. Vic |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 7:49:39 PM EDT
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Vic.......you are the man.
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Posted: 9/2/2014 7:52:35 PM EDT
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We are a stocking distributor. The IR llluminator is fixed and pinned to insure the unit remains civilian legal. It cannot be turned without busting the unit and voiding the warranty. Just one brightness setting, everything else identical including the programmable features of the lasers. Vic Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks like I'll be calling you guys about one in November. Are these going to be a limited release thing or will you be stocking them? What was the reasoning behind a fixed illuminator? Will the IR laser have two brightness settings like the issued peq? We are a stocking distributor. The IR llluminator is fixed and pinned to insure the unit remains civilian legal. It cannot be turned without busting the unit and voiding the warranty. Just one brightness setting, everything else identical including the programmable features of the lasers. Vic Thanks for the answers. I'll be ordering it before Christmas. |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 8:05:32 PM EDT
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Geez, now you're gonna make me want to spend money that I shouldn't be spending... 
Real talk: How do these compare to the DBAL i2's? Are they worth the extra couple hundred dollars? |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 8:31:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Geez, now you're gonna make me want to spend money that I shouldn't be spending... Real talk: How do these compare to the DBAL i2's? Are they worth the extra couple hundred dollars?  That being said, this could not have come at a more opportune moment for me. I've just got to figure out how many I want. |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 8:55:38 PM EDT
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Geez, now you're gonna make me want to spend money that I shouldn't be spending...
Real talk: How do these compare to the DBAL i2's? Are they worth the extra couple hundred dollars? Does a DBAL I2 have an illuminator built in? |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 9:14:48 PM EDT
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Geez, now you're gonna make me want to spend money that I shouldn't be spending...
Real talk: How do these compare to the DBAL i2's? Are they worth the extra couple hundred dollars? Does a DBAL I2 have an illuminator built in? Negative. Good point. |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 9:51:14 PM EDT
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Geez, now you're gonna make me want to spend money that I shouldn't be spending...
Real talk: How do these compare to the DBAL i2's? Are they worth the extra couple hundred dollars? Does a DBAL I2 have an illuminator built in? Negative. Good point. Nor are the lasers slaved. ETA: The DBAL D2 does have an illuminator built in however. |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 10:14:14 PM EDT
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Thanks for the great news!
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Posted: 9/2/2014 10:30:21 PM EDT
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Nor are the lasers slaved. ETA: The DBAL D2 does have an illuminator built in however. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Geez, now you're gonna make me want to spend money that I shouldn't be spending...
Real talk: How do these compare to the DBAL i2's? Are they worth the extra couple hundred dollars? Does a DBAL I2 have an illuminator built in? Negative. Good point. Nor are the lasers slaved. ETA: The DBAL D2 does have an illuminator built in however. It's also $1700 
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Posted: 9/2/2014 11:21:31 PM EDT
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I was starting to research my IR laser options, and this one looks pretty good.
It looks like the neutral density filter cuts down the laser's bloom, but if you don't mind my asking, why aren't you using the unused high power switch position as an "extra low" output? i.e., something like a .1 or .2mW setting in place of the high. (or using 0.7mW at "high" and 0.1mW at "low") I'm not familiar with the internals of the unit, but it seems like this would add a bit of utility to it without requiring much modification to the design. |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 11:26:34 PM EDT
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I was starting to research my IR laser options, and this one looks pretty good.
It looks like the neutral density filter cuts down the laser's bloom, but if you don't mind my asking, why aren't you using the unused high power switch position as an "extra low" output? i.e., something like a .1 or .2mW setting in place of the high. (or using 0.7mW at "high" and 0.1mW at "low") I'm not familiar with the internals of the unit, but it seems like this would add a bit of utility to it without requiring much modification to the design. that unused option is for extra high output, and would require a rewire of the basic design. you can also use a pattern generator lens to change and shape of the pointer beam which would also cut down on blume, 
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Posted: 9/2/2014 11:30:21 PM EDT
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You guys just don't want me to have any money, do you?
Thanks for your tireless efforts! I just got my DBAL this year, but I'll be putting this on the list for next time I need to splurge. |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 11:32:30 PM EDT
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Does it have a visible laser on it too?
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Posted: 9/2/2014 11:40:39 PM EDT
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Does it have a visible laser on it too? Yes. "It features an Infrared Laser Pointer (0.7 mW Class1), Visible Laser Pointer (4.6 mW Class 3R Red), and Infrared Laser Illuminator (3 mW Class 3R)." |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 11:45:50 PM EDT
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How does the illuminator compare to a Torch at 250-300yrds with the torch at the tightest beam setting?
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Posted: 9/2/2014 11:50:10 PM EDT
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that unused option is for extra high output, and would require a rewire of the basic design. you can also use a pattern generator lens to change and shape of the pointer beam which would also cut down on blume, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14814034/pics/2011-09-13%2010.40.28.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was starting to research my IR laser options, and this one looks pretty good.
It looks like the neutral density filter cuts down the laser's bloom, but if you don't mind my asking, why aren't you using the unused high power switch position as an "extra low" output? i.e., something like a .1 or .2mW setting in place of the high. (or using 0.7mW at "high" and 0.1mW at "low") I'm not familiar with the internals of the unit, but it seems like this would add a bit of utility to it without requiring much modification to the design. that unused option is for extra high output, and would require a rewire of the basic design. you can also use a pattern generator lens to change and shape of the pointer beam which would also cut down on blume, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14814034/pics/2011-09-13%2010.40.28.jpg One of my favorite little pieces of gear ever while i was in. |
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Posted: 9/3/2014 6:06:42 AM EDT
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Just curious why does the device still have the FDA exempt sticker on it?
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Posted: 9/3/2014 8:38:53 AM EDT
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I have been waiting on this one
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Posted: 9/3/2014 9:26:22 AM EDT
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Unfortunately the lower powered laser didn't change the price as much as I had hoped... But my Mk12 really wants one...
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Posted: 9/3/2014 9:33:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just curious why does the device still have the FDA exempt sticker on it? |
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Posted: 9/3/2014 9:48:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How does the illuminator compare to a Torch at 250-300yrds with the torch at the tightest beam setting?  |
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Posted: 9/3/2014 12:28:26 PM EDT
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Is it just the prevailing conditions during the pictures or with the lower power of the commercial units is there a less definitive beam out the the point where laser is than with say the peq15 where I remember I could follow the beam all the way out to the point of aim.
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Posted: 9/3/2014 2:13:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it just the prevailing conditions during the pictures or with the lower power of the commercial units is there a less definitive beam out the the point where laser is than with say the peq15 where I remember I could follow the beam all the way out to the point of aim. |
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Posted: 9/3/2014 3:31:20 PM EDT
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I'm buying, PERIOD.
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Posted: 9/3/2014 3:39:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm buying, PERIOD. |
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Posted: 9/3/2014 3:43:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good to hear, and thanks for the support! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm buying, PERIOD. Where and when we'll we know how to place an order? I'm in California and I am ready. ETA: NVM! Found the link on page one! |
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Posted: 9/3/2014 7:17:08 PM EDT
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Order placed!
Thanks so much for following through and bringing these to the civilian market!!! |
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Posted: 9/3/2014 7:32:08 PM EDT
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Lower mW of the beam. The higher mW has more power concentration on that finite beam, thus giving you essentially a straight line effect. Thanks for the explanation. I'm no rocket surgeon so lasers are voodoo, and don't get to play with them as much I'd like at work. |
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Posted: 9/3/2014 8:29:43 PM EDT
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Nor are the lasers slaved. ETA: The DBAL D2 does have an illuminator built in however. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Geez, now you're gonna make me want to spend money that I shouldn't be spending...
Real talk: How do these compare to the DBAL i2's? Are they worth the extra couple hundred dollars? Does a DBAL I2 have an illuminator built in? Negative. Good point. Nor are the lasers slaved. ETA: The DBAL D2 does have an illuminator built in however. |
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Posted: 9/3/2014 9:49:48 PM EDT
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This is fantastic news! Now I have to start scraping together the funds.
The clone-afficianados (including myself) are rejoicing. Thanks for your hard work to put this into production! |
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Posted: 9/3/2014 11:12:34 PM EDT
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This will def. be on my list. Subscribed for future interest.
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Posted: 9/3/2014 11:48:49 PM EDT
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This looks like a really bad-arse piece! The thing I want to know though, is there some reason why you make two of them? Does the govt. or military not allow civilians to have the ones of the same spec as them?
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Posted: 9/3/2014 11:58:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This looks like a really bad-arse piece! The thing I want to know though, is there some reason why you make two of them? Does the govt. or military not allow civilians to have the ones of the same spec as them? The military model is capable of full auto laser fire that can melt through aircraft wings. |
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Posted: 9/4/2014 12:26:04 AM EDT
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that unused option is for extra high output, and would require a rewire of the basic design. you can also use a pattern generator lens to change and shape of the pointer beam which would also cut down on blume, ... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was starting to research my IR laser options, and this one looks pretty good.
It looks like the neutral density filter cuts down the laser's bloom, but if you don't mind my asking, why aren't you using the unused high power switch position as an "extra low" output? i.e., something like a .1 or .2mW setting in place of the high. (or using 0.7mW at "high" and 0.1mW at "low") I'm not familiar with the internals of the unit, but it seems like this would add a bit of utility to it without requiring much modification to the design. that unused option is for extra high output, and would require a rewire of the basic design. you can also use a pattern generator lens to change and shape of the pointer beam which would also cut down on blume, ... slyguy, I'm aware of the pattern generators, but could you explain the function of "extra high output" on the -C model? My understanding was that the "low" position gives us 0.7mW, the max allowed to us by the government. Would it be a significant redesign? I'm going on the assumption that they've already had to redesign, or "rewire", to accommodate the two lower power diodes, and that Insight had to do something internally with the switches to convert them to off or low power duplicate positions. The functionality already exists to change the power output between .6mW / 25mW (aiming laser), and 3.5mW / 30mW (illuminator) for the restricted model, so I don't see a similar function on the unrestricted model as really changing it. I'll concede that it might be easier to maintain relative switch positions with "low" being an extra low setting and "high" being the 0.7mW rather than using "high" as an extra-low. The only change I see is making it an 85% reduction to go from 0.7mW to 0.1mW(ish), vs the 97.6% power reduction seen going from 25mW to 0.6mW. Actually, according to TNVC, the Aimpoint LPI puts out 0.005mW on low, so a 97% reduction to ~0.017mW might still be practical/functional. If this were the case, and the power selection was done through a pulse width modulation (PWM) method, I suspect that no redesign would be required to get a high/low power setting. (if not, I still see the required changes as being fairly minor, comparable to the work already done to get the low power diodes in there) I don't know how this could really be applied to the illuminator as it's currently described, but at least the laser power positions could do something useful. I guess I'm still asking: will we see a dual output power version? or why not? (out of curiosity) |
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Posted: 9/4/2014 1:59:35 AM EDT
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This looks like a really bad-arse piece! The thing I want to know though, is there some reason why you make two of them? Does the govt. or military not allow civilians to have the ones of the same spec as them? The military model is capable of full auto laser fire that can melt through aircraft wings. Somehow I feel like you're yanking my chain here with that one. I'll admit that I know literally nothing about this product but that's kinda why I'm asking. Guess I just don't understand why there has to be a civilian model. |
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Posted: 9/4/2014 2:29:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Somehow I feel like you're yanking my chain here with that one. I'll admit that I know literally nothing about this product but that's kinda why I'm asking. Guess I just don't understand why there has to be a civilian model. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This looks like a really bad-arse piece! The thing I want to know though, is there some reason why you make two of them? Does the govt. or military not allow civilians to have the ones of the same spec as them? The military model is capable of full auto laser fire that can melt through aircraft wings. Somehow I feel like you're yanking my chain here with that one. I'll admit that I know literally nothing about this product but that's kinda why I'm asking. Guess I just don't understand why there has to be a civilian model. |
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Posted: 9/4/2014 9:35:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: slyguy, I'm aware of the pattern generators, but could you explain the function of "extra high output" on the -C model? My understanding was that the "low" position gives us 0.7mW, the max allowed to us by the government. Would it be a significant redesign? I'm going on the assumption that they've already had to redesign, or "rewire", to accommodate the two lower power diodes, and that Insight had to do something internally with the switches to convert them to off or low power duplicate positions. The functionality already exists to change the power output between .6mW / 25mW (aiming laser), and 3.5mW / 30mW (illuminator) for the restricted model, so I don't see a similar function on the unrestricted model as really changing it. I'll concede that it might be easier to maintain relative switch positions with "low" being an extra low setting and "high" being the 0.7mW rather than using "high" as an extra-low. The only change I see is making it an 85% reduction to go from 0.7mW to 0.1mW(ish), vs the 97.6% power reduction seen going from 25mW to 0.6mW. Actually, according to TNVC, the Aimpoint LPI puts out 0.005mW on low, so a 97% reduction to ~0.017mW might still be practical/functional. If this were the case, and the power selection was done through a pulse width modulation (PWM) method, I suspect that no redesign would be required to get a high/low power setting. (if not, I still see the required changes as being fairly minor, comparable to the work already done to get the low power diodes in there) I don't know how this could really be applied to the illuminator as it's currently described, but at least the laser power positions could do something useful. I guess I'm still asking: will we see a dual output power version? or why not? (out of curiosity) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I was starting to research my IR laser options, and this one looks pretty good. It looks like the neutral density filter cuts down the laser's bloom, but if you don't mind my asking, why aren't you using the unused high power switch position as an "extra low" output? i.e., something like a .1 or .2mW setting in place of the high. (or using 0.7mW at "high" and 0.1mW at "low") I'm not familiar with the internals of the unit, but it seems like this would add a bit of utility to it without requiring much modification to the design. that unused option is for extra high output, and would require a rewire of the basic design. you can also use a pattern generator lens to change and shape of the pointer beam which would also cut down on blume, ... slyguy, I'm aware of the pattern generators, but could you explain the function of "extra high output" on the -C model? My understanding was that the "low" position gives us 0.7mW, the max allowed to us by the government. Would it be a significant redesign? I'm going on the assumption that they've already had to redesign, or "rewire", to accommodate the two lower power diodes, and that Insight had to do something internally with the switches to convert them to off or low power duplicate positions. The functionality already exists to change the power output between .6mW / 25mW (aiming laser), and 3.5mW / 30mW (illuminator) for the restricted model, so I don't see a similar function on the unrestricted model as really changing it. I'll concede that it might be easier to maintain relative switch positions with "low" being an extra low setting and "high" being the 0.7mW rather than using "high" as an extra-low. The only change I see is making it an 85% reduction to go from 0.7mW to 0.1mW(ish), vs the 97.6% power reduction seen going from 25mW to 0.6mW. Actually, according to TNVC, the Aimpoint LPI puts out 0.005mW on low, so a 97% reduction to ~0.017mW might still be practical/functional. If this were the case, and the power selection was done through a pulse width modulation (PWM) method, I suspect that no redesign would be required to get a high/low power setting. (if not, I still see the required changes as being fairly minor, comparable to the work already done to get the low power diodes in there) I don't know how this could really be applied to the illuminator as it's currently described, but at least the laser power positions could do something useful. I guess I'm still asking: will we see a dual output power version? or why not? (out of curiosity) |
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Posted: 9/4/2014 9:37:02 AM EDT
[#44]
Now I can make my rifle I carried in A-Stan !!!!
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Posted: 9/4/2014 11:30:25 AM EDT
[#45]
Count me in for one Vic!
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Posted: 9/5/2014 8:26:02 AM EDT
[#46]
would it be pssible to see a youtube video of the laser in action in different conditions or scenarios?
i am looking at this from a personal defense stance, and would like to see if this is too much laser for my application. considering this or an otal. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 9:35:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: would it be pssible to see a youtube video of the laser in action in different conditions or scenarios? i am looking at this from a personal defense stance, and would like to see if this is too much laser for my application. considering this or an otal. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 4:51:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
This looks like a really bad-arse piece! The thing I want to know though, is there some reason why you make two of them? Does the govt. or military not allow civilians to have the ones of the same spec as them? Good question. The high power laser units are restricted, so these lower power lasers are now commercially available and have plenty of distance.
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Posted: 12/2/2014 6:33:10 PM EDT
[#49]
See below.
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Posted: 12/2/2014 6:37:03 PM EDT
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We have been receiving a few phone calls about the shipping time frame of the ATPIAL-C lasers. Yesterday we were given a firm update from L3. I felt the need to address this and post it publicly, that way, everyone can be better informed and on the same page. As always, we want to give info to our customer’s and tell it like it is, as it is told to us. We were expecting to take receipt of the first batch of the ATPIAL-C mid-November. This is exactly how it was laid out to us from L3. Things happen, and there were some delays, which I was honestly expecting. Things got pushed to what we thought would be late November/ early December. I was sincerely hoping to take receipt of the first shipment this week seeing as how we have had many customers anxious to receive them. Presently, the ATPIAL-C’s are in their required final phase of testing at Insights factory. Upon completion, they will ship. The new status is, the first batch of ATPIAL-C’s are to be shipped to us directly on December 12. We understand that this is upsetting to most of our customers. Please understand, we have done everything on our side to ensure we can expedite this as much as possible. L3 is a company that prides themselves on quality products, and they have the reputation to prove it. Therefore, the testing that occurs with each and every unit before it heads out the door is something that not everyone can understand or side with. Production delays are a setback that are tricky to work around. I don’t particularly care for them, however, that’s the way quality products work sometimes, and the ATPIAL-C being a Mil-Spec product, directly produced and taken from their Mil-Spec ATPIAL PEQ-15 assembly line, it’s no surprise the extensive testing these units are undergoing. As for the second phase of the ATPIAL-C’s, they are expected to be shipped to use before the end of the year. The excitement for the release of the ATPIAL-C is astronomical, with good reason. This is an industry first, and there is nothing else like it on the market. We want to thank each and every one of our customers for their orders, and patronage. The ATPIAL-C program was made possible, not by us, not by L3/Insight, but by our loyal customers, who continue to push us to constantly change and innovate the night vision market. For the complications, and for the wait, we have decided to include a Telluric Group IR Laser Zero Target with every ATPIAL-C, when they begin shipping.  Again, we apologize for the inconvenience in the delay. We are eager to get them in our hands as well. If you guys have any questions, feel free to contact us here, via phone, email or any of our other social media avenues. |
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