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Posted: 3/24/2014 1:15:56 PM EDT
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This technique allows me to really stiffen my arm up and lock the rifle to my upper body.
Even better if I have a vertical grip or sling/sling mount I can brace my support hand against. But I have long arms and generally don't care about how I look. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 10:05:53 AM EDT
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For SBRs just run the stock out further. Shooting RDS eye relief isn't much of a big deal so long as you are consistent in your presentation (so you find the dot everytime) you should be GTG. You can also just "chicken wing" a little more with a shorter handguard. Whatever works best for you, use that. I find this is fatiguing for search and assess, especially with a 2# silencer on the end of a 14.5" barrel, but it also works really, really well for me.
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Posted: 4/13/2014 11:12:05 PM EDT
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Doesn't do anything extra for me, and then I can't get to the wml.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 12:47:56 AM EDT
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I hold kinda similar but I always have. I have long ass arms so it's never really locked out all the way. Allows you support while moving laterally and additional stability. Some guys like it, some guys don't, but ultimately master a technique before shitting all over it, and THEN decide if it has a place in your toolbox.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 9:55:41 PM EDT
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with me it depends on the rifles
when using ARs with longer rails my arm is straight on carbine sytems/shorter rails/Aks I use have a slight bent in my support arm In fact last weekend at the range someone asked me if I am a Magpul rep lol In their defense I was wearing a magpul shirt and a was using the "costa stance" lol |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 3:27:33 AM EDT
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yay on the outstretched arm, I get REALLY good recoil management out of it
Nay on the thumb over the rail. I find it distracting, and generally like running my thumb down the rail since that's where my light and laser buttons are anyway. |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 10:48:34 PM EDT
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Who comes up with this crap? It's been in use since the Vietnam era (if not earlier) and works very well for rapid target transitions and muzzle control during fast semi or auto fire. WWII Since man first discovered gun powder. Not a fan of this "style". YMMV |
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Posted: 3/7/2015 1:43:26 AM EDT
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It does work, Yay
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Posted: 3/8/2015 10:37:13 AM EDT
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years ago Colonel Jeff Cooper pioneered IPSC and the WEAVER stance.
everybody shot weaver then Rob Leatham and Brian Enos started experimenting, and came up with the thumbs forward technique the old guard scoffed ! but they kept winning ....and winning ...and winning now 99.99% of IPSC shooters do it the Leathem/Enos way. 
always experiment, . . . always try to learn new things, . . . even if they turn out to be bullshit, the day you think you know it all is the day you become stagnant. |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 2:02:09 AM EDT
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Do whatever is most comfortable and functional for you. Copying what works for someone else doesn't help as much as finding out what works for you and practicing it.
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Posted: 3/21/2015 5:35:19 AM EDT
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I like the "technique" but not as exaggerated as that picture. I prefer a more relaxed type.
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Posted: 3/21/2015 9:49:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/21/2015 9:52:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/21/2015 10:08:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/22/2015 12:10:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/22/2015 12:35:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: raines is a spammer Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: raines, you pictures aren't posting. You need to host them from a site that allows embedding, and you need to add IMG tags photobucket hosts pics and make posting them here easy raines is a spammer This! If you see any newer members posting bizarre image links (not photobucket, etc..) that don't show up in their posts, please report them as spammers. |
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Posted: 4/9/2015 3:47:44 AM EDT
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Thats actually me in the Pic shooting, so I'll throw in my two cents. It works very well up close ( 1-25 yards), so well in fact I can run a .308 faster utilizing this technique than I can a 5.56 gun doing either a magwell grip of a broom handle grip on a vert grip, if you are trying to put multiple shots on a small target in quick succession and want to mitigate muzzle rise as much as possible. It requires greater physical strength thatn most other techniques, because I am both pulling the gun into my shoulder tightly and muscling the business end of the gun down while firing and using all the other proper fundamentals of marksmanship which requires intense concentration. I also believe lots of people give up on it too quickly due to the fact that like anything it requires time and effort to master. Folks love to hate on Costa but I bet you a months pay, which for me is well over 10000$ that costa would smoke your ass in close range marksmanship. Theres a reason All the for most instructors teach a variation of this technique. I too have shot at people using this and it worked out for me, im typing this message and they aren't. Is it just me or do you only have a buis on the rear... and not front. |
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Posted: 4/9/2015 4:18:35 AM EDT
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It took practice but controlling the weapon like this has greatly improved my target transition and accuracy. It most certainly is not a new position either.
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Posted: 4/9/2015 2:25:46 PM EDT
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Thats actually me in the Pic shooting, so I'll throw in my two cents. It works very well up close ( 1-25 yards), so well in fact I can run a .308 faster utilizing this technique than I can a 5.56 gun doing either a magwell grip of a broom handle grip on a vert grip, if you are trying to put multiple shots on a small target in quick succession and want to mitigate muzzle rise as much as possible. It requires greater physical strength thatn most other techniques, because I am both pulling the gun into my shoulder tightly and muscling the business end of the gun down while firing and using all the other proper fundamentals of marksmanship which requires intense concentration. I also believe lots of people give up on it too quickly due to the fact that like anything it requires time and effort to master. Folks love to hate on Costa but I bet you a months pay, which for me is well over 10000$ that costa would smoke your ass in close range marksmanship. Theres a reason All the for most instructors teach a variation of this technique. I too have shot at people using this and it worked out for me, im typing this message and they aren't. Is it just me or do you only have a buis on the rear... and not front. It's just you. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 12:51:49 PM EDT
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I have had great success with the thumbs forward technique.
The poor chap in that pic would get his thumbnail ripped off by the slide catch notch if he were actually going to fire that 1911. Look closely. I also have no problem with where people put their hands on the quad rail, it seems like a function of the size of the shooter and the length of the rail, personal preference and freedom. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 1:24:22 PM EDT
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I have had great success with the thumbs forward technique. The poor chap in that pic would get his thumbnail ripped off by the slide catch notch if he were actually going to fire that 1911. Look closely. I also have no problem with where people put their hands on the quad rail, it seems like a function of the size of the shooter and the length of the rail, personal preference and freedom. Incorect my friend that ol chap knows what he's doing and does it quite well! |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 1:56:19 PM EDT
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I have had great success with the thumbs forward technique. The poor chap in that pic would get his thumbnail ripped off by the slide catch notch if he were actually going to fire that 1911. Look closely. I also have no problem with where people put their hands on the quad rail, it seems like a function of the size of the shooter and the length of the rail, personal preference and freedom. Yeah...that "guy" is Rob Letham. I think he's shot a few times [sarcasm]. |
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Posted: 10/29/2015 4:23:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2015 6:11:34 AM EDT
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Nay, doesn't work.
Tried it, too much cons outweighing any good. Target acquisition was slow and painfully long to acquire. Very fatiguing from the low ready and during usage. But it did make smaller groups and allow for faster follow up shots. And it only works in a few positions. You're too exposed when using corners for cover though, and searching for threats or even reacting to one takes like forever to do. In any fight, movement is key. Those of you telling us this is the only way and all of your shaming attempts at us not doing it, cool story and nice try. In the end, use what works for you. This did not work well for me. |
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Posted: 10/29/2015 6:42:33 AM EDT
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That guy in the OP's pic has it all.
Looks like he bought everything he saw in the last issue of Recoil. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:04:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/16/2016 1:55:25 PM EDT
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I thought the style was dumb until I too the time to try it and really Get used to it. Now I use it. I like it.
I don't care about looks. Or the cool kids. Some people will stick to the 1 process they know forever. They might do well with that 1 thing for a while but improvements will always leave them behind. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 5:59:06 PM EDT
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Im alittle split on whether i like it or not.
I was taught by my father how to shoot and being a marine in the 90's he very traditional. (Very good marksman as well) One day at the range while just having fun a tried this for kicks on my dads AR15 and ended up burning my thumb on th FSB. He said it was my own fault for being a "Costa-Wanna-Be". However, now that i have my own AR15 and experimenting with different shooting techniques i have noticed a slight difference with this position. Shooting a more traditional way i have no problem with, but when shooting more rapidly my rifle raises slightly up and to the right. Throwing my thumb over the top of my rail and moving my hand does calm down that movement. Just throwing in my $.02 and experience with it. |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 7:46:24 AM EDT
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