Originally Posted By Aimless: Anybody ever seen a Department of Defense test published? I THINK that's what we did at the end of a carbine course at Blackwater.

Department of State.

This is one BulletcatcheR came up with I've shot it twice and not only is it a good drill it's one hell of a work out!!

"Chinese meltdown drill." Works on one handed shooting, IA, safety manipulation, pistol holstering and sling transitions, one hand pistol reloading, off hand drawing muzzle control. Shooter stands at 3-5 yards from a set of four 3" dot targets. One dot for each weapon, each hand. ONLY HITS COUNT! Shooter takes one shot with the carbine strong hand only, transitions to pistol strong hand only. Shooter then takes the carbine weak hand only and shoots, transitons to pistol weak hand only. Back to the carbine strong hand, etc. etc. etc. till the carbine mag is empty. To incorporate IA have a training buddy load your mags with -at least- 3 dummy rounds in a 28 round carbine magazine and one dummy round per 7 rounds of pistol ammunition (1 per 1911 mag, 2 per 'hi-cap' 9mm).

Phase 1 of the MEU pistol drill requires a weak hand draw. Do you reach behind yourself with the left hand? If so, it is difficult with equipment & drop leg holster.
also concerned about safety as well.

Originally Posted By war-wagon: Phase 1 of the MEU pistol drill requires a weak hand draw. Do you reach behind yourself with the left hand? If so, it is difficult with equipment & drop leg holster. also concerned about safety as well.

With a dropleg I look like a dog chasing his tail if I try to reach behind to draw.

Excellent format Photoman......

Good job photoman!!!

When doing the 'diablo' be sure to work in some practice starting from the ground up. Use all the positions you know, roll over, supine, feet first, sitting one knee, both knees, get the picture.
The same positonal shooting can be done during a meltdown,,,break down the contractor pushups onto smaller movements for us FOGs.

I practice these from behind barricades after warming up on the line.

Be careful of your six when transitioning in off positions, work with a buddy/spotter to make sure you're not flagging or find out where you flag if you have to when starting out.

CY6

bulletcatchR

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HK INTERNATIONAL TRAINING DIVISION MP5 QUALIFICATION COURSE


Range Rounds Position Fire Reps Total Time:
Mode Rounds


50m 2 Kneeling Semiauto 3 6 3.0 sec
50m 2 Prone Semiauto 2 4 3.0 sec
25m 2 Standing Semiauto 3 6 2.0 sec
25m 2 Kneeling Semiauto 2 4 2.0 sec
25m 4 Standing Semi/
Reload Drill 1 4 8.0 sec
15m 2 Standing Semiauto 3 6 1.5 sec
10m 3 Standing Fullauto 2 6 1.5 sec
7m 4 Standing Fullauto 2 8 2.0 sec
5m 3 Standing Fullauto 2 6 1.5 sec


Total Rounds: 50

START "LOW READY" POSITION/ PASSING SCORE = 80 2 PTS PER HIT.

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Originally Posted By Hawkeye: Originally Posted By Lancelot: bump to keep this alive Ummm its tacked.

Yea, but it was a low tack. Now its a high tack. For tall people like me it makes a difference, okay?

We ran a variation Diablo/Harv24 drill yesterday @ 7,10,15,20 yds with pistols....We had 3 targets and had 3 mags of 6. Emergency mag change on each target.
First mag was "prone over a bench, 2nd was standing and 3rd was kneeling. The initial drill started from the holster.


I think it is a good thing to throw in some different distances to help break the cadence you get into when shooting at one specific distance....Helps you learn how "fast" you can shoot at a given distance and still make good COM hits.

You could throw in some dummy rounds to make you assess and deal with given malfuncions.
7 yds was averaging 12 secs or so
20 was running 23 secs or so

Place two targets (or more) about 7 yards away.

Get some variety of colored stickon circles (Walmart has them) You should have about 3 colors. Take the colored circles and write numbers in them. Don't number all the colors the same. For example, you have blue, green, and red. You might use 1,5,7 for blue, 2,4,6 for green, and 3, 7,8 for red. Paste the colored circles on the target at different locations around the target. Make it random.

Take two people and face them uprange. Prior to each drill, give each shooter a color and number combo. Don't give the same one to each shooter. Upon your command, they turn toward the targets, draw their weapons, and give verbal commands to the targets. At the same time, they are scanning the target looking for their number and color combo. Sometimes both shooters will shoot. Sometimes neither shooter will shoot. Sometimes one will shoot while the other doesn't.

The goal is to counteract the tendency to have sympathetic shoot response. Also, the goal is to force the shooter to focus on the threat and scan the entire target looking for the shoot cues.

It's a good drill but takes at least three people to do it as above. It can be done with two people if one is on the line and the other is not shooting but is calling out the combinations.


Could be done with rifles but more geared to handguns.

Shot this one recently at a course.

Modified Navy Qual

50yds-5rds per mag-3mags

Time-25 seconds

5 Standing RELOAD

5 Kneeling RELOAD

5 Prone

Target is an 8-inch circle. Very very good drill as it combines 3 important shooting skills. Many people scoff at this drill and think its easy and not a challenge. Then they get their mindset f'd when they don't seperate the different skills and try and do them all at once.

FBI Pistol Qualification Course


This standard, revised April 1997, is used to qualify both agents and instructors.

Target: FBI "Q"
Ammunition: 50 rounds service ammunition
Scoring: Hits in or touching "bottle" count 2 points; misses and hits outside bottle count zero points
Qualification: 85% to qualify; 90% for instructors

STAGE I 18 ROUNDS

Starting Point: 25 yard line
Time Allotted: 75 seconds
Start with a fully loaded weapon. On command shooter draws and fires 6 rounds prone position, decocks, fires 3 rounds strong side kneeling barricade position, 6 rounds strong side standing barricade position, and 3 rounds weak side kneeling barricade position. Upon completing stage I, the shooter will conduct a magazine exchange and holster a loaded weapon.

STAGE II 10 ROUNDS

Starting Point: 25 yard line
Time Allotted: 2 rounds in 6 seconds
4 strings of 2 rounds in 3 seconds each
Start at the 25 yard line. On command the shooter moves to the 15 yard line, draws and fires 2 rounds in 6 seconds, decocks, and returns to low ready. The shooter will fire 4 strings of 2 rounds in 3 seconds, decock and return to low ready after each string. Upon completing Stage II, the shooter holsters a loaded weapon [without reloading unless gun capacity is only 10 rds ––ed].

STAGE III 12 ROUNDS

Starting Point: 15 yard line
Time Allotted: 15 seconds
Start at the 15 yard line. On command the shooter moves to the 7 yard line, draws and fires 12 rounds in 15 seconds, to include a reload. Upon completing stage III, the shooter holsters a loaded weapon. Shooter then arranges remaining 10 rounds to have 5 rounds in the weapon and 5 rounds in a spare magazine.

STAGE IV 10 ROUNDS

Starting Point: 7 yard line
Time Allotted: 15 seconds
Start at the 7 yard line. On command the shooter moves to the 5 yard line, draws and fires 5 rounds with strong hand only, reloads, tranfers the weapon to weak hand and fires 5 rounds weak hand only. Upon completing stage IV, the shooter will unload and holster an empty weapon.

Agents are required to requalify four times a year. 1,338 agents have shot a perfect score during qualification (the FBI's "possible club"). The FBI presently employs 11,271 agents required to shoot this course. [Information current as of December 1997]
Courtesy of Steve Silverman.



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