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Posted: 5/22/2012 7:55:59 PM

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I know that it is not recommended to put your non-firing index finger on the front of the trigger guard, but can someone elaborate on why? I used to own a Glock and it seems that they designed it for just that. So back when I had that I got used to putting my finger there. That was my 1st handgun and I didn't have any training or instruction and at that time had little range time. I switched to the M&P a couple years ago after not owning a pistol at all for a while. I've been reading articles and watching videos on the handgun, and they all seem to shy away from it. What I'm trying to do is train in the best way possible to be consistent and accurate. Should I work to un f**k my grip or should I not worry about it and just keep getting in the range time? Thanks.
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Posted: 5/22/2012 7:58:30 PM
It's more popular with Euros, and can be a technique if you get a bad grip on your draw. Concern is the pressure from your finger will cause you to pull your shots. Works well for Eric Grauffell though.
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Posted: 5/22/2012 8:00:58 PM
Originally Posted By SSeric02:
It's more popular with Euros, and can be a technique if you get a bad grip on your draw. Concern is the pressure from your finger will cause you to pull your shots. Works well for Eric Grauffell though.


That was kind of my concern. Pulling shots or applying pressure at the front and dropping shots.
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Posted: 5/22/2012 10:40:43 PM
When it comes down to it, sure you can shoot well that way. The downside has already been pointed out so the question becomes what is the upside?

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Posted: 5/22/2012 11:02:17 PM
Originally Posted By Multi-G:
When it comes down to it, sure you can shoot well that way. The downside has already been pointed out so the question becomes what is the upside?



For me, my hand wants to go to that grip naturally so I'd have to train NOT to do it. With anything, practice makes perfect. Just going to take that much more to undo it. Seems like it would be worth it to correct though.
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Posted: 5/23/2012 8:18:25 AM
Why take one of your strongest fingers off of the grip and dangle it out in front of the trigger guard? Wrap that baby around the grip and control the gun, don't try to steer it with one finger.

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Posted: 5/23/2012 11:49:00 AM
Originally Posted By SSeric02:
It's more popular with Euros, and can be a technique if you get a bad grip on your draw. Concern is the pressure from your finger will cause you to pull your shots. Works well for Eric Grauffell though.


I agree with SSeric02,
Its all on the shooter just keep in mind when your evaluating your shots that you take your form into consideration... IE: shot placements that normally would be evaluated as trigger jerk, anticipation and grip, could easily be mistaken for your forward finger relaxing or tightening in your grip.
Practice makes perfect and not everyones bone structure is the same so grips will always be deifferent...
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Posted: 5/23/2012 1:32:35 PM
Originally Posted By gringop:
Why take one of your strongest fingers off of the grip and dangle it out in front of the trigger guard? Wrap that baby around the grip and control the gun, don't try to steer it with one finger.

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It's not dangling, it's pretty tight on the pistol. But as others have said, that can be a big part of why I pull shots to one side. My biggest problem is overcoming shot anticipation. I can shoot rifles and everything else great, but my pistol shooting is inconsistent. If I shoot slow and deliberate I can get nice tight groups at 3-7 yards, but I consider that damn near point blank. If I add any speed or much distance it gets to be erratic. My focus right now is accuracy and not speed so that I can fix my form before I try to move forward.

I'm just going to keep doing dry practices with my draw and my hold. Try to build it in to muscle memory.
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Posted: 5/24/2012 10:15:12 PM
Like has been mentioned it can cause you to pull your shots, another thing to consider is if you decide to use a weapon mounted light in the future you will not be able to use the grip that you have become accustomed to.
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Posted: 5/25/2012 1:47:53 AM
Originally Posted By tacweapon:
Like has been mentioned it can cause you to pull your shots, another thing to consider is if you decide to use a weapon mounted light in the future you will not be able to use the grip that you have become accustomed to.


This is another very valid reason not to put your finger there. Carrying with an x200 or x300 will break the habit quickly.

Personally, I find it is much easier to get your hands used to the new position if you place them there, then take note of what areas of the frame are causing hot spots or pressure, then take a file and sandpaper and cut away those places until the grip fits your hand when the gun is held properly. It should feel natural in your hand. Spend time fondling your gun for a few nights then take it to the range. Concentrate on holding it the way you are supposed to. Repeat a few times. Your brain will program the new grip as you get used to it.

In my case, I can now switch from a j-frame to a g17 naturally with a consistent grip, even though my hand positions differ from gun to gun. Each grip feels right and is instinctive.
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Posted: 5/25/2012 1:54:02 AM
I find with tiny guns (like my LCP) it helps a lot with controllability. It doesn't really make a difference on my G17. It's not comfortable to do on my 1911 since the trigger guard is rounded. And on my USP 45 it's not really an option
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Posted: 5/25/2012 6:28:10 PM
Originally Posted By tacweapon:
Like has been mentioned it can cause you to pull your shots, another thing to consider is if you decide to use a weapon mounted light in the future you will not be able to use the grip that you have become accustomed to.


I am planning to get a TLR-1 soon. I was just thinking about that.
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Posted: 5/26/2012 1:47:30 PM
finger wagging is pretty gay. use both hands entirely to drive, engage and control your weapon.
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Posted: 5/26/2012 4:22:56 PM
Originally Posted By bobbyfairbanks:
finger wagging is pretty gay. use both hands entirely to drive, engage and control your weapon.


While I agree, it's not wagging lol.

TLR-1 is on its way so I won't have a choice soon.
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