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Posted: 11/17/2010 8:04:02 PM
Originally Posted By beltjones:
Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
As much as I hate to say it, the knife guy has a point. If someone is within a reasonable distance, he can quite easily deliver a mortal blow before you can get a shot off. I'm not sure about '21 feet', but the distance is much less than people think. *edited to say that his delivery is shit, and his inability to clearly communicate using written English is atrocious. You're absolutely right. I don't think anyone would disagree with that. I think what people find objectionable is that this guy claims to be some kind of expert on these things, and makes these proclamations as if no one has ever thought of them before. Also, people have mixed reactions because the whole thing sits uncomfortably on the border between funny and sad, and that makes it quite off-putting.  |
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TheWind
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Posted: 12/27/2010 10:41:44 AM
It is not the knife, it is not the gun, it is the mindset. There is a great difference between a warrior and a sheep.
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Posted: 12/27/2010 12:08:54 PM
Originally Posted By TheWind:
It is not the knife, it is not the gun, it is the mindset. There is a great difference between a warrior and a sheep. clearly the advantage goes to the retard with any weapon "at ready" attacking someone "at rest" i'm not sure why this is lost on the OP |
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GLOCKshooter
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Posted: 12/27/2010 12:13:20 PM
So a guy is walking down a trail, ready for combat, sword in hand (hell, give him a shield too!) and 21 feet away there is a guy just hanging out, with his hand on the grip of his holstered IWB G19. Guy w/G19 feels froggy. Who's gonna win?
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bcauz3y
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Posted: 12/27/2010 6:11:17 PM
Originally Posted By GLOCKshooter: So a guy is walking down a trail, ready for combat, sword in hand (hell, give him a shield too!) and 21 feet away there is a guy just hanging out, with his hand on the grip of his holstered IWB G19. Guy w/G19 feels froggy. Who's gonna win? Depends. What does win mean? If its survival, then probably neither of them. If it is walking away from the situation unscathed, then probably neither of them. |
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TheWind
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Posted: 12/27/2010 6:16:18 PM
Only thing that matters is going home
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Lumpy196
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Posted: 12/27/2010 6:41:44 PM
Your neighbors think you're insane.
One day the SWAT team will be outside. |
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ARinKCMO
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Posted: 12/27/2010 6:56:09 PM
[Last Edit: 12/27/2010 6:56:56 PM by ARinKCMO]
Oh wow. Every now and then this happens, where someone finds out we have been making fun of them.
Sometimes it's a gun writer coming in and kicking ass and taking names. Other times it's an airsofter or a combat technique expert. In one of the threads, I said you were a member here, so you didn't even have to come find us. I'm surprised it took you this long to respond though. |
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Posted: 12/28/2010 7:27:00 AM
Tony Blauer would have a field day with this guy.
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Posted: 12/29/2010 2:31:20 AM
Tony Blauer would get it.
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nukldragr
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Posted: 12/29/2010 8:08:09 AM
Originally Posted By theknifeguy:
Tony Blauer would get it. would he wear jeans shorts and hang out? |
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Posted: 1/6/2011 2:42:42 PM
someone please make a clip of a guy with a kife just standing there with his knife in a holster and shoot him with an airsoft/paintball gun from 21 feet
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TheWind
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Posted: 1/7/2011 4:35:24 PM
we used to train with Kendo armor, a motorcycle helmet and face shield and wax bullets, the guy with the knife won quite often
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Doughboy79
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Posted: 1/7/2011 5:10:51 PM
How do you turn on the subtitles on that video because I can't understand shit!
The one thing I got from that video is if I see a guy "just hanging out" with a 3 foot sword behind his back, I make sure that I'm more than 21 feet away |
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Chaingun
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Posted: 1/11/2011 6:23:21 PM
Originally Posted By Seastate: The 121 foot guy is good! Thanks for the link! That was good |
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Posted: 1/24/2011 8:09:37 PM
[Last Edit: 1/24/2011 8:13:45 PM by hebrewhammerASG]
The guy that keeps posting this stuff is ruining the reputation of the Filipino martial arts. The Filipino in the video is actually Tuhon Gaje, head of the Pekiti Tirsia System. Gaje has real world experience with this stuff, he is no joke. If you listen to the end he acknowledges the possibilities of winning on the draw. He says to make sure you practice your draw so that you will be quick. Gaje loves weapons, including guns, he is realistic and knows that the knife guy will not always win. Dog the guy that makes the videos, but don't dog on Gaje, he is good people.
Oh yeah, 121' foot rule....awesome! |
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Posted: 1/25/2011 3:19:38 PM
Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
As much as I hate to say it, the knife guy has a point. If someone is within a reasonable distance, he can quite easily deliver a mortal blow before you can get a shot off. I'm not sure about '21 feet', but the distance is much less than people think. *edited to say that his delivery is shit, and his inability to clearly communicate using written English is atrocious. Goggle "tueller drill". The 21 ft rule comes from Tueller's drill where it was shown that a man can typically cover 21 ft in 1.5 seconds, from a standing start. It basically defines the time required to take out a dangerous threat at this distance, assuming the threat is armed with a weapon like a knife. The danger presented by a guy with a knife is well understood. |
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RPGJoe
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Posted: 6/8/2011 8:55:42 AM
I took a class from a knife guy.
He actually stated that he would rather have a knife than a rifle regardless of the situation. I asked what if I'm 100 yards away, to which he stated, I'd slice you before you got the first round off. Ok.. 
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TheWind
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Posted: 6/8/2011 5:20:04 PM
LOL....he needs to make a video....I trained with a guy that also trained Seal Team 6....you would need at least 50', but if you train with a pistol regular and realistic, the margin gets smaller, fast with a knife is fast with a pistol
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KimberTLE45
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Posted: 7/27/2011 1:24:58 PM
Originally Posted By RPGJoe:
I took a class from a knife guy. He actually stated that he would rather have a knife than a rifle regardless of the situation. I asked what if I'm 100 yards away, to which he stated, I'd slice you before you got the first round off. Ok..
Was he the guy in the 121 foot video? |
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Posted: 8/2/2011 11:34:29 AM
Here is another of his videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1ahuBkdc8E&feature=related . He totally eats it!
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nukldragr
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Posted: 8/2/2011 4:16:46 PM
Originally Posted By hebrewhammerASG:
Here is another of his videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1ahuBkdc8E&feature=related . He totally eats it! |
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nukldragr
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Posted: 8/3/2011 1:14:35 PM
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Posted: 11/2/2011 10:50:17 PM
[Last Edit: 11/2/2011 10:55:02 PM by GoatHerder]
Law Enforcement rules of engaging an armed suspect is that if they are at 30 feet or less....you must have your weapon drawn and in the down ready position at least or the person with the other weapon has a considerable advantage over you based on age, size, skill, and yes...LUCK!
Anyone not understanding this entirely is welcome to come to our small training school in Orlando, Florida, and we will show you. (I teach the Combat knife and edged weapon training for military and LEO's part) And yes, I train like hell with firearms too... |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 2:33:17 PM
I find it incredible that in the supposed bastion of internet firearms knowledge no one is aware of the Tueller Drill. It is an accepted fact that inside of 21 feet anyone with a knife or blunt weapon has an advantage over someone with a firearm unless that firearm is already in their hand. Since most of us don't walk down the street every day with our Glock/Sig/S&W/etc. in our hand this is VERY relevant information. Having a gun on your hip DOES NOT make you invincible. It does not make you somehow instantly superior to anyone that doesnt have a gun on their hip and may be attacking you with another weapon. It levels the playing field. In any circumstance where one would be justified in using their CCW you are being reactionary. Is the OP a bit of an a$$? Yes. Is that video ridiculous? Yes. However, the fact is that no matter how ridiculous the OP's statement or video might be it is a fact. Go on youtube and watch the piles of videos of people practicing the Tueller Drill with airsoft or with motorized targets. Most of the time they get hit at least once or run over before they get a shot off, and that even goes for the VERY experienced shooters. "Gunfighting" is a lot like sword fighting in that two of the biggest keys are time and distance. How fast you can react and the distance at which you are reacting are huge factors in how an encounter will turn out for you.
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