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Posted: 1/8/2016 2:24:41 AM EDT
https://thecmp.org/wp-content/uploads/Rulebook.pdf
 6.1.1 M16/AR15-Type Rifles The rifle must an M16 U. S. Service Rifle or asimilar AR15-type commercial rifle that is derived from the M16 service rifle design. The following specific rules apply to this type of rifle:
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Posted: 1/8/2016 10:07:31 AM EDT
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I am pretty excited!
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Posted: 1/8/2016 7:46:22 PM EDT
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6.1.1 M16/AR15-Type Rifles The rifle must an M16 U. S. Service Rifle or a similar AR15-type commercial rifle that is derived from the M16 service rifle design. The following specific rules apply to this type of rifle:
Similar type? Mmmkay. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULeh5Sr9T18 B |
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Posted: 1/8/2016 8:16:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Similar type? Mmmkay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULeh5Sr9T18 B Quote HistoryQuoted: 6.1.1 M16/AR15-Type Rifles The rifle must an M16 U. S. Service Rifle or a similar AR15-type commercial rifle that is derived from the M16 service rifle design. The following specific rules apply to this type of rifle: Similar type? Mmmkay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULeh5Sr9T18 B I'm think it allows for ARs with slightly varying receiver designs like billets. |
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Posted: 1/9/2016 12:01:34 AM EDT
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I'm think it allows for ARs with slightly varying receiver designs like billets. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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6.1.1 M16/AR15-Type Rifles The rifle must an M16 U. S. Service Rifle or a similar AR15-type commercial rifle that is derived from the M16 service rifle design. The following specific rules apply to this type of rifle:
Similar type? Mmmkay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULeh5Sr9T18 B I'm think it allows for ARs with slightly varying receiver designs like billets. and piston systems |
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Posted: 1/9/2016 10:57:06 AM EDT
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I'll probably get a Mega-Arms ambi with a right side bolt catch.
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Posted: 1/11/2016 12:50:41 PM EDT
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For the optic equipped rifle, can a gas block or fold down front sight be used instead of a stander front sight tower?
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Posted: 1/11/2016 2:14:07 PM EDT
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For the optic equipped rifle, can a gas block or fold down front sight be used instead of a stander front sight tower? That is what I am running on my S&W M&P 15. Gas block with a rail, with Magpul MBUIS front sight. |
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Posted: 1/11/2016 5:03:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For the optic equipped rifle, can a gas block or fold down front sight be used instead of a stander front sight tower? My interpretation is yes. The rules are saying that if you're using irons, they have to be in the same place as the A2/A4, M4, or the equivalent for midlengths. |
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Posted: 1/11/2016 6:41:57 PM EDT
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My interpretation is yes. The rules are saying that if you're using irons, they have to be in the same place as the A2/A4, M4, or the equivalent for midlengths. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the optic equipped rifle, can a gas block or fold down front sight be used instead of a stander front sight tower? My interpretation is yes. The rules are saying that if you're using irons, they have to be in the same place as the A2/A4, M4, or the equivalent for midlengths. That's what I'm thinking as well. I have YHM flip sight base laying in the safe. |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 12:33:11 PM EDT
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Good to see CMP allowing use of more modern technology.
Not that I'd try this, but I don't see muzzle brakes explicitly outlawed for ARs (they are outlawed for M14s). So what config's going to win at Camp Perry? |
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Posted: 1/13/2016 2:43:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good to see CMP allowing use of more modern technology. Not that I'd try this, but I don't see muzzle brakes explicitly outlawed for ARs (they are outlawed for M14s). So what config's going to win at Camp Perry? "...flash suppressors are not required, but if the barrel has a flash suppressor, the total length of the barrel, measured from the back of the barrel extension to the target end of the flash suppressor shall not exceed 21 5/8 inches." Certainly one of those "don't be that guy" things, except for a newb at a smaller match. I think irons will still win, but the scopes will have a strong showing, particularly across several days. Collapsible stocks may improve the scores of juniors and smaller statured folks. |
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Posted: 1/13/2016 2:47:05 AM EDT
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Good to see CMP allowing use of more modern technology. Not that I'd try this, but I don't see muzzle brakes explicitly outlawed for ARs (they are outlawed for M14s). So what config's going to win at Camp Perry? What's the Army using? Because that's probably what will win. |
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Posted: 1/13/2016 5:10:08 PM EDT
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What's the Army using? Because that's probably what will win. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good to see CMP allowing use of more modern technology. Not that I'd try this, but I don't see muzzle brakes explicitly outlawed for ARs (they are outlawed for M14s). So what config's going to win at Camp Perry? What's the Army using? Because that's probably what will win. Non distinguished will not be shooting scope What they shoot is not as much factor as the fact they train all week with best coaches |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:32:22 AM EDT
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What's the Army using? Because that's probably what will win. March's new scope. http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2016/01/new-1-4-5x24mm-scope-with-ed-glass-from-march/ Apparently, they've ordered 40 of them. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 7:45:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: March's new scope. http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2016/01/new-1-4-5x24mm-scope-with-ed-glass-from-march/ Apparently, they've ordered 40 of them. MSRP $2750  |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 9:02:04 AM EDT
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MSRP $2750
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March's new scope. http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2016/01/new-1-4-5x24mm-scope-with-ed-glass-from-march/ Apparently, they've ordered 40 of them. MSRP $2750
Ha You could still do well with any decent 1x4 variable with exposed turrets, the SuperSniper for example. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:13:05 AM EDT
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March's new scope. http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2016/01/new-1-4-5x24mm-scope-with-ed-glass-from-march/ Apparently, they've ordered 40 of them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's the Army using? Because that's probably what will win. March's new scope. http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2016/01/new-1-4-5x24mm-scope-with-ed-glass-from-march/ Apparently, they've ordered 40 of them. 
That does look like it's perfect for the game. |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 2:41:41 AM EDT
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April scopes should be cheaper
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Posted: 1/15/2016 8:12:03 PM EDT
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Second focal plane and 1/4 MOA clicks..... I'll pass on the March
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Posted: 2/1/2016 5:34:57 PM EDT
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I'm kinda new at service rifle.
does the new rules mean you can use a flattop upper, or still need to mount optics on the A2 style?? |
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Posted: 2/1/2016 5:55:56 PM EDT
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I'm kinda new at service rifle. does the new rules mean you can use a flattop upper, or still need to mount optics on the A2 style?? You can use a flattop. That's been legal for a few years now. Welcome |
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Posted: 2/1/2016 7:05:14 PM EDT
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Conventional front sight is optional now.
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Posted: 3/4/2016 1:39:39 PM EDT
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https://thecmp.org/wp-content/uploads/Rulebook.pdf 6.1.1 M16/AR15-Type Quad rails or similar hand guards may be used. The front sling swivel may be attached to the hand guard, but must be fixed and located 13.25 in. (+/- 0.5 in.) from the forward edge of the magazine well on M16 configured rifles or 8.0 in. (+/- 05 in.) on M4 configured rifles.I wonder what is considered similar? Is this any free float tube with some picatinny rail on it? Does it include handguards with new attachment systems like key-mod? |
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Posted: 3/4/2016 3:04:03 PM EDT
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From the chatter I've been hearing coming out of the admin staff answering emails at CMP, the key thing (and apparently the only thing) they are looking at with regard to the front handguard is that the sling has to be mounted 13" (+/- ½ in.) from the mag well.
They aren't going to stencil the teeth on your cheese-grater, or keymod, or whatever; and they aren't going to put a caliper on it to make sure it isn't too fat or too thin. Whatever you want to stick on there is fine, so long as the sling is mounted at the right location. |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 3:33:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From the chatter I've been hearing coming out of the admin staff answering emails at CMP, the key thing (and apparently the only thing) they are looking at with regard to the front handguard is that the sling has to be mounted 13" (+/- ½ in.) from the mag well. They aren't going to stencil the teeth on your cheese-grater, or keymod, or whatever; and they aren't going to put a caliper on it to make sure it isn't too fat or too thin. Whatever you want to stick on there is fine, so long as the sling is mounted at the right location. The rules say 13" for M16-configured rifles or 8" for M4-configured rifles. I'm guessing 11" for a midlength is fine? I don't expect to see them, but what about Dissipators or rifles with the Daniel Defense rail that goes around past the front sight? Basically wherever the gas block is located is where the sling is attached? Or can it be a choice of one of the 2 (or 3) lengths? |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 9:31:44 AM EDT
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The rules say 13" for M16-configured rifles or 8" for M4-configured rifles. I'm guessing 11" for a midlength is fine? I don't expect to see them, but what about Dissipators or rifles with the Daniel Defense rail that goes around past the front sight? Basically wherever the gas block is located is where the sling is attached? Or can it be a choice of one of the 2 (or 3) lengths? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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From the chatter I've been hearing coming out of the admin staff answering emails at CMP, the key thing (and apparently the only thing) they are looking at with regard to the front handguard is that the sling has to be mounted 13" (+/- ½ in.) from the mag well. They aren't going to stencil the teeth on your cheese-grater, or keymod, or whatever; and they aren't going to put a caliper on it to make sure it isn't too fat or too thin. Whatever you want to stick on there is fine, so long as the sling is mounted at the right location. The rules say 13" for M16-configured rifles or 8" for M4-configured rifles. I'm guessing 11" for a midlength is fine? I don't expect to see them, but what about Dissipators or rifles with the Daniel Defense rail that goes around past the front sight? Basically wherever the gas block is located is where the sling is attached? Or can it be a choice of one of the 2 (or 3) lengths? The intent of the rule seems to be sling at gas block. It seems like things are wide open enough to use a handstop as long as the sling is in the right place. Irons will still rule the day for the near term. |
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Posted: 4/15/2016 11:51:28 AM EDT
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I'm curious about this part -
Left-handed receivers that reverse the operational design features of M16/AR-type rifles are permitted. Does anyone know if they're referring specifically to lowers, or left handed uppers like those from Stag are now pemitted? |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:01:35 PM EDT
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The US Armed Forces does not field mid-length gas systems and therefor they are probably not allowed. The rules are designed to allow "issue" weapons and "issue" sights to compete and since the M4 (carbine gassed) and M16 (rifle gassed) series are government issue the rules apply to them.
"Match rifle" division allows just about anything in NRA tournaments, service rifle is and has always been a different animal. I think the rule changes are great, I basically can't see anything inside four feet without glasses. I wouldn't get my hopes up that mid-gassed rifles will be allowed. If they allow mid-gassed rifles the sling attachment point will remain as written. That means your need a 12" rail with the sling attached at the end or a 7" rail with the sling attached at the end. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 5:24:49 PM EDT
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Midlength is probably irrelevant, as the new rules require mounting the front sling swivel far enough forward, that it pretty much forces the shooter to go with rifle-length gas anyway.
I guess you could somehow fit a rifle length float tube over a middy gas system, but who does that? |
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