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Posted: 2/8/2014 5:42:50 AM EDT
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I haven't. I just use reduced copies of pistol targets taped to a door in the gun room. One low for prone, sitting and one higher for standing. Strap in, snap caps and practice.
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Posted: 2/10/2014 2:11:20 PM EDT
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Everyone I know that used the Beamhit had issues with it. The SCATT is expensive at over $1000 but it provides the best training money can buy IMHO. I think in the long run it has saved me thousands of dollars since I rarely practice live fire anymore for Offhand. The feel and feedback it provides is better than anything you can get even shooting live rounds. If you set the parameters up so that everything mimics bullet time of flight and muzzle velocity of the caliber you are training with, your calls are EXACTLY like you would expect from live fire.
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Posted: 2/12/2014 2:33:37 PM EDT
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I hadn't heard of the SCATT. The youtube videos and official website look impressive. I'll start saving my pennies....
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Posted: 2/12/2014 3:05:31 PM EDT
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We have Top Gun Trainer
About 600 Happy with it |
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Posted: 2/12/2014 9:32:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hadn't heard of the SCATT. The youtube videos and official website look impressive. I'll start saving my pennies.... Thanks for the link! Don't know if they still use it, but the US Army Marksmanship Unit was using the SCATT units a decade ago, you could do some pretty impressive things with them beyond just marking where a shot hits, such as analyzing the entire wobble before and after the shot. |
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Posted: 2/17/2014 12:52:53 PM EDT
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I think the USAMU was actually using the NOPTEL. It's a more expensive system and offers some better features but for the money the SCATT is VERY close in quality and features for about half the money.
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Posted: 2/17/2014 7:22:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the USAMU was actually using the NOPTEL. It's a more expensive system and offers some better features but for the money the SCATT is VERY close in quality and features for about half the money. You may be correct, it's been a long time since I took a seminar at Ft. Benning from them. |
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Posted: 2/18/2014 10:55:05 AM EDT
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I've been using the scatt for the past five days or so, and can't recommend it enough. The one issue I find with it though, is that since the result appears immediately, you want to shoot much faster than your normal speed on the range, which leads to fatigue (for me). It has already helped my offhand immensely and the scores I was shooting last week in comparison to yesterday already show very noticeable increase in score.
Luckily I didn't have to buy mine, but I would buy one in a heartbeat if I lost access to the one I am currently using. I shot this "600" yesterday, and was pleased enough with the score that I took a screenshot of it. It's also showing that my follow through always moves down and to the left, which I'll try to minimize now that I'm aware of it. Since I cleaned this target on the scatt, I have full confidence I can do it in the real world next time I shoot. 
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Posted: 2/18/2014 11:53:04 AM EDT
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The one thing with all these electronic trainers is that they are totally linear unless you adjust the parameters to mimic the caliber you are shooting. I have quite a bit of time on my SCATT and although there is no "right" F coefficient setting, I find that a setting of 15 pretty much mimics shooting a 223. If you shoot with 0 as the F-coefficient it basically thinks you are shooting a laser at the target and you will get unrealistic feedback. For Air Rifle the settings are much higher like 70 because a pellet is traveling at such slow speeds it has lots of "barrel time"
These settings can be adjusted in the tool bar under shot parameters. |
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Posted: 2/18/2014 7:12:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
The one thing with all these electronic trainers is that they are totally linear unless you adjust the parameters to mimic the caliber you are shooting. I have quite a bit of time on my SCATT and although there is no "right" F coefficient setting, I find that a setting of 15 pretty much mimics shooting a 223. If you shoot with 0 as the F-coefficient it basically thinks you are shooting a laser at the target and you will get unrealistic feedback. For Air Rifle the settings are much higher like 70 because a pellet is traveling at such slow speeds it has lots of "barrel time" These settings can be adjusted in the tool bar under shot parameters. That's good to know, mine has been set at 30. Will having a faster speed on the laser improve scores at all? |
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Posted: 2/18/2014 7:27:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's good to know, mine has been set at 30. Will having a faster speed on the laser improve scores at all? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The one thing with all these electronic trainers is that they are totally linear unless you adjust the parameters to mimic the caliber you are shooting. I have quite a bit of time on my SCATT and although there is no "right" F coefficient setting, I find that a setting of 15 pretty much mimics shooting a 223. If you shoot with 0 as the F-coefficient it basically thinks you are shooting a laser at the target and you will get unrealistic feedback. For Air Rifle the settings are much higher like 70 because a pellet is traveling at such slow speeds it has lots of "barrel time" These settings can be adjusted in the tool bar under shot parameters. That's good to know, mine has been set at 30. Will having a faster speed on the laser improve scores at all? A higher setting requires better follow-thru after pulling the trigger, from what I can tell. Set it for too long and you may be wasting a little time and extra energy staying in position longer, but I'd think that's less a problem than having the setting too short and not following through enough. |
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Posted: 2/19/2014 3:23:46 AM EDT
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A higher number will just make it harder and that's not a bad thing as it forces you to hold harder to get a good result. I do think that it makes the most sense adjusting it mimic the real world as closely as possible to give you predictable feedback that you would expect if you were on the range.
If you saved that shooting session you can change the number with that particular session open and it will adjust each shot placement accordingly so you can see if it made any discernible difference in the outcome. |
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