 Shackelton1 
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Posted: 1/15/2012 10:19:09 AM
[Last Edit: 1/15/2012 10:19:09 AM by Aimless]
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT Here is the link . http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?t=159876 It is a Model 1 Sales NM Upper with a RRZ NM Carry Handle. The rest of the info is the link. Thanks much. Is the price ok? Is Model 1 Sales quality ok? Should I go ahead and pick it up? |
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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Posted: 1/14/2012 8:36:15 PM
Price sounds fair but give some consideration to what you want do you want a 20 in gun or a 16 or an 18 with a mid length gas system. Do you want quad rails do you want a collapsable stock. Plan where you are going with the rifle before buying the upper. I would rather have a 1 in 7 or 1 in 8 twist to shoot heavy 77 gr smk bullets where the 1 in 9 is more suited to a 69 gr bullet.
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Posted: 1/14/2012 8:53:54 PM
I'd like to have a nice A4 look. I like the A2 Buttstock look, and don't. Need a collapseable stock. I have a nice Leopold fixed 10 that I can mount for a DMR option. The only thing I might add later. Would be a railed forend or likely a magpul moe forend. Even then just for an AFG and a light. I also like that I could go Irons and try NM. Thanks for the input
Any other thoughts out there? |
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Posted: 1/14/2012 9:00:49 PM
Also, how well will standard 62gr ammo shoot and perform out of a 1/9 twist?
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Posted: 1/14/2012 9:19:26 PM
Originally Posted By Shackelton1:
Also, how well will standard 62gr ammo shoot and perform out of a 1/9 twist? 62 grain shoots just fine out of 1/9. My 1/9 barrels shoot up to 69 grain well. |
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Posted: 1/14/2012 9:26:44 PM
62gr M855 is not as accurate as M193 or other commercial 55gr FMJ ammo in my experience. And the 55gr stuff is usually cheaper.
I like to have some 62gr M855 on hand, but generally its not the most accurate. So for plinking, my reccomendation is 55gr M193 or any 55gr FMJ And for precision or SD/DH ect... the 69gr SMK loads will be great, and the 50-55gr Barnes TSX which is the best performer, but expensive. |
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Posted: 1/14/2012 10:52:34 PM
Thanks guys. I appreciate the info. I'll play around with some different rounds.
So, is the general thought that this upper is gtg? |
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Posted: 1/14/2012 11:14:50 PM
[Last Edit: 1/14/2012 11:17:04 PM by B44T]
I went 1-9 as 1-7 does not play well with the thin jackets common to varmint bullets. Mine also shoot 69 grain Gold Medal match ammo very well.
I have not tried the 70-77 grain bullets out of my 1-9 yet but have been meaning to as supposedly many 1-9 twist tubes will work with those weights. That said,1-7 will stabilize bullets so long and heavy that they wont fit in the magazine. A plus factor in use by high power shooters. |
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Bigshot64
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Posted: 1/15/2012 2:02:42 AM
Why not
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Posted: 1/15/2012 2:17:51 AM
personally, i think its over priced. model 1 is low tier... items. i would like to call them junk, but that may not be fair as it will probably function. for 750 bucks, you can get you a much nicer rifle that will have some resale value. i would not touch anything model 1 sales with a 10ft pole. their "national match" gun looks like nothing more than a regular barrel with super heavy profile under the handguards. national match should be free floated at a minimum(just my opinion).
i would not buy it for that price, but thats me. |
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Posted: 1/15/2012 9:55:33 AM
[Last Edit: 1/15/2012 9:57:21 AM by tlwest1986]
Not trying to be an ass and keep in mind I am in no way the authority on the ar platform, but I have, built 2, spent a lot of time at the range, and online searching around on what the majority of people buy and what they think about the rifles they purchased. I have not seen much Model 1's with rave reviews and based on that I would not buy one. I would go with Spikes or S&W M&P for a budget build. I am not a Colt Fanboy but if I was gonna buy a rifle already built it would be a Colt 6920. Great price and you can most likely get the best price out of it if you have to sell it one day. If I was gonna spend more money I would go with a Larue Tactical PredatAR.
Like most say on here most manufacturers produce good products and ya can't go wrong with most, however, I would get a 1:7 twist in my barrel. If not 1:7 I would atleast go 1:8. Ya never know when you will find a good deal on a reloader and start experiementing with heavy loads. I know my girl experiments with them all the time!   |
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Posted: 1/15/2012 10:16:29 AM
Thanks again for the info. I kinda want to check it out and see at the range. But I am not sold on the rep of the manufacturer. I appreciate the info.
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Posted: 1/15/2012 10:21:08 AM
[Last Edit: 1/15/2012 10:19:32 AM by Aimless]
I'd ask in the competition section. I haven't been impressed with the Model 1 uppers I have seen but they weren't match uppers either.
I moved it. |
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Posted: 1/15/2012 2:36:39 PM
I shot 10 rds a 25 today. All in all it was ok. The finish was a dull/ flat look. No shine what so ever. Seems like it might be easily rusted without careful observation. The Charging Handle seemed like a rough fit in the upper. The Bolt Carrier looked just plain ugly. I can't tell (and don't really know what to look for on a properly staked carrier) but it just didn't look like the carriers that I've seen on Issued M16 A4/ M4 weapons that I have used/ handled. So. I am not 100% convinced yet. The Buffer in the A2 Buttstock was cracked at the rear as well. One piece was found in the buffer tube (never seen that before either).
I could get the Barreled NM Upper, NM Barrel Sleeve, RRA NM Carry Handle, Creedmoor Sling, and A2 Buttstock (Fulton Armory) for $400.00. Or should I just put a little more into it and go with a Spikes or RRA setup? All snobery aside, what are your thoughts? |
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Posted: 1/15/2012 9:54:39 PM
If you have a mind toward shooting in Service Rifle class, you can probably do just fine with this rig. It certainly has the correct float tube and guards to allow sling pressure and fair beginner sights.
(In my own mind, what would be the big deal if you compared a $750 rig to a &1200 rig? But, that is just me and my time is worth more than that cost difference. You should be able to find more rigs from this one all the way up to top-of-the-line for the extra $500.) More important that you jump in with whatever you can get and get started. The only question here would be the chamber and bbl quality, but I am not trying to discourage you since this bbl does not need to be considered permanent. I am sure you can take this rig or another just like it, and jump into the game to see if you even like the sport. For example, you will either decide you like the game and keep shooting, or decide you tried it and it didn't stick. You can always sell the upper in the second case. Lets guess about the first case for a minute. If you throw the rig onto bags and get good ammo, you will see if it groups better than you can shoot. It takes some shooting for the average starter to get better than a rack grade rifle, and this one should be better than a rack grade up front. If you go that far, you can always order a better bbl and use everything else as is for a long time before you would even consider more upgrades. Start shooting up front, worry about having the most ideal equipment later. You can always upgrade equipment if you stay with it. |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 9:20:02 AM
Thanks for the info. The upper seemed mostly ok. But... that barrel isn't marked anywhere. That kind of worries me. How do I know if its 5.56 or.223, as they aren't. The same. I would still need to spend the money on a decent lower as well. So all total it would be about $650 or so to get in the game.
My thought is that I like the A4 look and feel. I do not need a M4 with collapseable stock. I like the flat top and will give the NM a try as it is setup for it. I am just unsure of the overall lasting quality. I know the whole put a littlemore.money and get what you want or buy once cry once theories. Overall I am going to mount a leupold fixed 10x and run it like a designated marksman rifle anyway. |
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Posted: 1/17/2012 12:00:42 AM
Originally Posted By Shackelton1:
Thanks for the info. The upper seemed mostly ok. But... that barrel isn't marked anywhere. That kind of worries me. How do I know if its 5.56 or.223, as they aren't. The same. I would still need to spend the money on a decent lower as well. So all total it would be about $650 or so to get in the game. My thought is that I like the A4 look and feel. I do not need a M4 with collapseable stock. I like the flat top and will give the NM a try as it is setup for it. I am just unsure of the overall lasting quality. I know the whole put a littlemore.money and get what you want or buy once cry once theories. Overall I am going to mount a leupold fixed 10x and run it like a designated marksman rifle anyway. If your goal is a DMR rig, you don't need to worry about rules and such that much. Once you try SR shooting, you may or may not find it is for you. You can always jump in as time goes on if it turns you on. I would insist the guy tell you about the exact bbl details. With luck, the chamber is made to the Wylde specifications and can handle pressure loads. You will want to know the chamber design and twist rate without a doubt. Understanding how to seat the various projectiles will come up later, but he should tell you about the bbl up front. If the rig is flat-top and you have the NM style handle sights and a good front sight base, you can always scope the rig and play both ways. |
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Posted: 1/17/2012 9:43:40 PM
I'll ask about more specifics on the Barrel. I would think he should know how he ordered it. When I asked the first time about it being 5.56 he said it was, but its not marked anywhere that is visible. If he has a receipt or order form with 5.56 on it I would be happy.
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Posted: 1/18/2012 11:47:57 AM
[Last Edit: 1/18/2012 11:50:07 AM by jcs1]
Originally Posted By tlwest1986:
Not trying to be an ass and keep in mind I am in no way the authority on the ar platform, but I have, built 2, spent a lot of time at the range, and online searching around on what the majority of people buy and what they think about the rifles they purchased. I have not seen much Model 1's with rave reviews and based on that I would not buy one. I would go with Spikes or S&W M&P for a budget build. I am not a Colt Fanboy but if I was gonna buy a rifle already built it would be a Colt 6920. Great price and you can most likely get the best price out of it if you have to sell it one day. If I was gonna spend more money I would go with a Larue Tactical PredatAR. [/img] If he's interested in trying Highpower, he'd be better off avoiding Colt, Spikes, S&W, or LaRue and going straight to White Oak. |
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Posted: 1/22/2012 5:49:22 PM
Originally Posted By jcs1:
Originally Posted By tlwest1986:
Not trying to be an ass and keep in mind I am in no way the authority on the ar platform, but I have, built 2, spent a lot of time at the range, and online searching around on what the majority of people buy and what they think about the rifles they purchased. I have not seen much Model 1's with rave reviews and based on that I would not buy one. I would go with Spikes or S&W M&P for a budget build. I am not a Colt Fanboy but if I was gonna buy a rifle already built it would be a Colt 6920. Great price and you can most likely get the best price out of it if you have to sell it one day. If I was gonna spend more money I would go with a Larue Tactical PredatAR. [/url] If he's interested in trying Highpower, he'd be better off avoiding Colt, Spikes, S&W, or LaRue and going straight to White Oak. I don't disagree with the SR = WOA idea. But, the poster said he wasn't intending to dedicate himself to SR and wanted a DMR style rig. I use WOA and will continue to advise friends to do the same until they make up their own minds. Have yet to see anyone disagree on the WOA performance being among the best in class. I would say that the CLE and a few others from custom armorers are a cut above the ones from the big production houses. Those rigs are good enough in the hands of guys starting out, or even in expert hands to win. But, put on paper at 300 or 600, you can see what you paid for in a WOA, CLE, etc. |
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