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Posted: 2/24/2004 8:03:36 PM
thanx for the info,however i just spent my $$$$ on the v match rifle and it has no iron sights on it at all. i did mount a 4x12 scope though and untill i can get another upper or better yet a whole nother rifle, is there any other type of competitions i would be allowed to use this particular set up in?
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Posted: 2/24/2004 8:23:49 PM
Normally, I shoot reduced (300 yard) Palma.
They allow scoped rifles, so I started out with my .30-06 Ruger w/ Leupold 2.5-8x scope. M-65 jacket, backpacking mat, handloaded ammo (first itme out: two rounds for sighting in--they landed in the 9 and 10 ring), military ammo can to carry my gear.
Since then, I got an AR, which has slowly been modified to DCM configuration (it still wears the chrome 1 in 9, but a match barrel is on order). I have a Creedmore jacket, glove, and stool. Still using the backpacking mat, and still using a $35 Russian spotting scope.
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Posted: 2/24/2004 11:35:26 PM
[Last Edit: 4/22/2005 1:10:13 AM by Asa]
Most match directors will probably allow you to shoot alongside the match (not in competition) just to get the shooters. As for shooting in competion, there's always long range or prone matches, especially when there is an rifle/any sight category. Hope this helps. |
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Posted: 2/25/2004 8:37:53 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By bluecowdawg:
thanx for the info,however i just spent my $$$$ on the v match rifle and it has no iron sights on it at all. i did mount a 4x12 scope though and untill i can get another upper or better yet a whole nother rifle, is there any other type of competitions i would be allowed to use this particular set up in?[/quote]
What Asa said. In the San Diego SBR&G club "reduced Palma" match, they will allow you to shoot scoped rifles with bipods. But technically scoped rifles can't win the match (although that did happen a couple of months ago, since the scoped rifle shooter did real well, and the runner up was the match director who was particularly gracious).
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Posted: 2/25/2004 10:56:20 PM
Asa hit the nail on the head.
Most match directors will let you shoot alongside just to take in another shooter.
My favorite case of this was a guy that showed up to a slow fire match with an old .45/70 Trapdoor Springfield!
BOOM!............................................................WHAP! (like a huge gob of spit hitting the sidewalk after a 17 story drop.)
That was pretty neat. He did pretty good with the old rifle,IIRC.
The NM course, we take (somewhat) seriously, but some of our club slow fire matches are pretty damned informal. Hell, sometimes at slowfire matches I see some ideas someone is trying out that are bordering on crackpot.
(Safe, of course, but crackpot!)
Just get out there and shoot!!!!!!
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Posted: 2/26/2004 1:47:46 AM
I started off shooting some informal 200 yd reduced matches with a 16" carbine and a 2x scope. No jacket, no spotting scope, no mat, etc. Screw the legalities of what rifle is legal and what rifle isn't, just bring whatever you own - and see if you like the sport. Who cares if your scores won't "count"? It's not like you're going to be breaking any records anyway. I can't imagine very many people giving you a hassle.
If you don't have a spotting scope or mat, I would bet someone will let you use theirs.
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Posted: 2/26/2004 4:12:07 PM
I went to the CMP website list of match clubs, and it shows Longview, Lufkin, and Panola County, which is Carthage. I haven't heard anything about Longview and Lufkin having matches, but I think Carthage has full-course matches, and I think they even had a Regional match not long ago. I'd call them first, but the other two may be running matches for all I know.
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Posted: 2/26/2004 6:16:09 PM
[Last Edit: 2/26/2004 6:33:58 PM by texashark]
[quote]Originally Posted By jim_k:
I went to the CMP website list of match clubs, and it shows Longview, Lufkin, and Panola County, which is Carthage. I haven't heard anything about Longview and Lufkin having matches, but I think Carthage has full-course matches, and I think they even had a Regional match not long ago. I'd call them first, but the other two may be running matches for all I know.[/quote]
I shoot at Carthage, and it's a 600 yd range.
Lufkin shoots a reduced course, and Longview kind of quit due to lack of interest.
We welcome anybody who wants to shoot at Carthage, and you can shoot the scoped rifle in "F" class.
Here's our web address:[url]http://www.epcgc.com/[/url]
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Posted: 2/28/2004 9:04:26 PM
What memories! First time I went to Perry was for the JCG match. I had my rifle, a hunk of dirty carpet that I had used for traction on a tractor, so it was dirty and hope. When I saw that long green line, I figured ' I have no business here' draw your ammo and live - I was terribly embarassed. I hauled my junk, yep, it was junk, compared to all the others. I felt so inadequate. Was on the third relay. The US flag went up and I figured ' what the hell - drove five hours'. Was scored by a HM - correction, gentleman and enthusaitic shooter. What a guy. I had such a grreat time. When I die, and my life experiences pass before me - it'll be one of them.
Gold medal and some comments about getting some equipment.
Good advice - go slow. You truly need one thing - desire to shoot.
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Posted: 2/28/2004 11:10:25 PM
What a great thread, I just happened to have gone to my first match today. I too felt terribly unprepared because I just showed up with a standard 20" A2 Bushy and 100 rds of Q3131A!! I had a blast. I only shot 388 but I didn't care. My coach fellow kept asking me about my gun and I just kept on saying "nope...plain as they come". He asked free-floated? Nope. Aftermarket trigger? Nope. faster twist? nope. It was kinda funny. He was an older gentleman and was really nice but he just couldn't get in his head that I had no idea what I was doing. It was actually like a clinic so the guys they had me paired up with let me use their mat/scope and what not. It was great though. I saw an ad at the club for the shoot so I signed up and they said bring ammo and a gun. So I did. I plan on just sticking with what I've got for now. As plain as it is, it still out-shoots me. it is definitely something I plan on trying again. I think I can do better next time as I was just so nervous and clueless, I'm hoping to break 400 next time. [:D] I had only shot by Bushy at 200 yards once and that was BR so it was definitely different. FUN FUN FUN though!!
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Posted: 2/28/2004 11:14:01 PM
Hey Don, I too used an old 50 cal ammo can to bring my stuff in!! I kept kidding everyone that I'd left my bullseye super duper shooter at home along with my truckload of accesories and gear!![sniper2]
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Posted: 2/29/2004 1:02:50 AM
[quote]Originally Posted By OlBoy:
What a great thread, I just happened to have gone to my first match today. I too felt terribly unprepared because I just showed up with a standard 20" A2 Bushy and 100 rds of Q3131A!! I had a blast. I only shot 388 but I didn't care. My coach fellow kept asking me about my gun and I just kept on saying "nope...plain as they come". He asked free-floated? Nope. Aftermarket trigger? Nope. faster twist? nope. It was kinda funny. He was an older gentleman and was really nice but he just couldn't get in his head that I had no idea what I was doing. It was actually like a clinic so the guys they had me paired up with let me use their mat/scope and what not. It was great though. I saw an ad at the club for the shoot so I signed up and they said bring ammo and a gun. So I did. I plan on just sticking with what I've got for now. As plain as it is, it still out-shoots me. it is definitely something I plan on trying again. I think I can do better next time as I was just so nervous and clueless, I'm hoping to break 400 next time. [:D] I had only shot by Bushy at 200 yards once and that was BR so it was definitely different. FUN FUN FUN though!![/quote]
Talk about shit and fall back in it!
Here I go, trying to recruit a bunch of Newbies so that when the club bulletin shows where I place, I'm at least four or five from the bottom. HAH!
What happens? Talent shows up.
I feel like General Custer looking out and seeing MORE INDIANS!!!!!!!
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Posted: 3/5/2004 4:08:33 PM
My first match (100 reduced) Bm stock A2 "20, Lakecity ammo, cheap-o spotting scope and dillion mat, shot a 365-4x. Highpower kicks ass, It's like golf with noise. Hey Piccolo that last line in your post, is that from The Good The Bad The Ugly?
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Posted: 3/5/2004 8:59:09 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By BALOO:
My first match (100 reduced) Bm stock A2 "20, Lakecity ammo, cheap-o spotting scope and dillion mat, shot a 365-4x. Highpower kicks ass, It's like golf with noise. Hey Piccolo that last line in your post, is that from The Good The Bad The Ugly?[/quote]
The line about General Custer is from the Bombardier. My father. During WW2 the tail gunner would see messers and FWs coming in from behind and holler, "Hey, General Custer, I see MORE INDIANS!"
My sig comes from the Wizard of OZ.
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Posted: 4/3/2004 1:15:21 PM
I was planning on going to my first match today but something (family) came up last minute. I have a plain 20" bushy A2 and was planning on using that. What ammo should I use? I have only shot the Lake City xm193. I also have a 16" bushy with a free floater but the iron sights seem inferior with the shorter radius. Should I stick with the 20"? Are the "DCM" bushy's that much better than my standard A2? Is it worth saving up the $$ for?
Sorry for all of the questions. But I just don't know what I am doing yet!!!
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Posted: 4/4/2004 11:12:02 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By FishEye:
I was planning on going to my first match today but something (family) came up last minute. I have a plain 20" bushy A2 and was planning on using that. What ammo should I use? I have only shot the Lake City xm193. I also have a 16" bushy with a free floater but the iron sights seem inferior with the shorter radius. Should I stick with the 20"? Are the "DCM" bushy's that much better than my standard A2? Is it worth saving up the $$ for?
Just start shooting. Get the bug and let the fever run it's course.
Take the 20"er. Shoot with whatcha got. If you're like 90% of the guys, you'lll suck the 1st couple times out. Don't be discouraged or embarrassed. Remember the shooter's attitude:"Just wait until the next match!"
Sorry for all of the questions. But I just don't know what I am doing yet!!![/quote]
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Posted: 5/3/2004 11:26:29 PM
you're telling me I can go with what I got right now. I'm getting kind of excited. I figured I needed a jacket and all that too. I have a colt 20" standard gi barrel. I think they call it the sport target model. whatever. It's the one that the barrel is thinner under the handguards. I've yet to try my q3131a but I've got 3-7/8" 5 round groups at 100 with hornady 75 bthp. iron sights. I know it's not that good. You're telling me I can show up with what I got and shoot and have fun. Don't I need to know all the positions and how much you shoot and all that? Well, I think I'll have to go. When and where is the question? How many rounds do I need? can I use my sleeping bag as a shooting blanket? I do have a sling. Nylon. I love that crack about it's like golf with a bunch of noise. I love that. You guys have pretty much got me convinced. piccolo thanks for the encouragement. I really want to do this now. I'm from Milwaukee, wi and I'm an NRA member, should I just call them and find out where to go?
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Posted: 5/11/2004 2:57:30 PM
You should probably know the positions, course of fire, how much ammo to bring and how to use the sling. If you dont know these, id show up as early as possible, someone will probably be willing to go over it with you.
i recently went to my first match. was pretty nervous. i got there real early. didnt need to ask for help, just said i hadnt shot a match before and they set me up with someone who wanted to help. As we were walking out to the firing line, my coach says " you got any gear?". I say " ive got a rifle and ammo" (everyone else had jackets carts, stools etc) he said "good thats all you need ". i shot the match and did better than expected, thanks to good coaching. if you dont know much about these matches i would suggest reading some articles: http://www.njhighpowerrifle.com click on "newbie stuff" on the left. has some good info. |
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Posted: 6/1/2004 7:03:03 PM
Thanks for an interesting and timely post! About 5 weeks ago I joined my state's NRA affiliated rifle and pistol club and range. This past Friday I aquired my first ever Eugene Stoner design inspired rifle: A stock XM15-E2S "Bushmaster". My interest is in entry-level high power match shoots. My immediate goals are To learn the basics of the match scene, To compete safely and not get DQ'd by the R.O., Have a good time and maybe volunteer to help facilitate an event or two, and, enjoy being reunited with a rifle design I have not been involved with since my Signal Corps days over two decades ago.
Your scores are all going to look better soon! I will be helping to fill out the bottom rungs for a year or two I'm sure :-) P.S. : I was very suprised to see that the price of the Colt AR has come down almost to that of the Bushy. Both looked fine but the XM seemed to have a very slight edge in material and workmanship so I went for it. |
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Posted: 6/22/2004 10:14:43 AM
[Last Edit: 6/22/2004 10:15:37 AM by dah]
JJREA: Jim Owens www.jarheadtop.com holds highpower classes at the Racine WI range. He can probably give you some leads if you contact him. I shot at the Racine range last year and found the WI shooters friendly and helpful.
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Posted: 7/15/2004 11:10:17 PM
Im planning on trying this game out a little sometime next spring if Im not deployed at the time, Im in the process of building up a RRA lower and havent decided on what uppers I want to build for it yet, but Im planning on at least 3. It will be my only AR lower, so its got to have some versatility, but I want to build a upper for it that will shine in this type of competition. Ive already got the cardboard, oven mitt, and cheap binoculars, so I guess Ill be pretty tacted out on the range. Im glad I found this post, lots of great info here for a new guy like me.
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Posted: 7/16/2004 1:00:49 AM
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Posted: 9/2/2004 10:59:26 PM
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Posted: 9/3/2004 7:14:52 AM
While we're on this subject, I'd like to know why so many associate highpower rifle matches with the CMP exclusively?
One can only compete in FOUR CMP sanctioned Excellence in Competition matches a year, and one of those four has to be at Camp Perry. If you don't go to Perry, you get to shoot at THREE CMP matches in a year. That doesn't include the odd CMP Garand match here or there. On the other hand, there are NRA sanctioned highpower rifle matches (with classes for both service and match rifles) in hundreds on clubs virtually every weekend of the year. You can attend as many of those as you want. Also, the CMP does not classify shooters. There are no classes of shooters. Only the NRA classifes shooters, and when someone talks of being classifed Expert, Master, High Master, etc, they achieved them by shooting NRA sanctioned high power rifle matches. I wanted to clear that up for the newbies, lest they leave here not knowing who is it that sponsors the greatest majority of high power rifle matches in the US. |
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Posted: 11/17/2004 1:19:45 AM
about half of the clubs here do cmp matches and the other half do Nra approved and registered matches which are also cmp clubs also which also make them at the same time if the club is registered with the cmp a cmp match.
Alot of clubs do the cmp matches as a way to interduce new shooters to the sport and make it alot more new shooter friendly compared to alot of the nra matches. You have the leway to set up matches like the club wants. It could be a old military match, garand match or just a standard 50 shot cmp course match. The National's at Camp Perry is kinda split down the middle with the Nra week which the normal matches with sighters are held and then another week with cmp matches with NO sighters Its easy as the cmp has a rule book and it states that any rules not covered in the cmp rule book refer to the NRA rule book. What makes it nice is I know alot of clubs that either charge NO fees to shoot the cmp matches or the fees are very small like under $10 to defer the cost of the match. The NRA matches ar usually more costly with the average match here running from a low of $15 to the more common $20 for a NRA match. Just to start the NRA match the nra charges $4.50 per shooter for a approved match and usually nra approved matches give out a prize of cash , trophy's, medal or what ever the club decides and most clubs here give half back in prizes to the shooters and the other half gets split between the nra and the club or it works out very close. Alot of clubs can not get a good turn out of shooters for a $20 fee and they do it for the fun and to get folks involved. I am a director at one club and we do nra approved and registered matches with usually between the high 20's to the low 40's and it is tailored to more serious shooters but we also conduct clinics and bring in a few new shooters in the mix every year. but I also vonlenteer at another club that does monthly cmp matches and I help them do 3 nra matches during the year and the turn out is small for the nra matches with a high of 11 shooters and a low of 5 while the cmp matches will run around 10 on a bad weather day to well over 30 shooters in the spring months |
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