 JOHNNY223 
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Posted: 2/10/2011 6:21:22 AM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT * What is out there that is thought of to be the best scope for 3 gun right now. * What is considered to be "enough to do the job" in magnification . (1-4 with a bullet drop built in?) * What is the usual size steel out to 500 - 600y ? Thanks. J223... |
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Posted: 2/10/2011 7:25:16 AM
I see a lot of 1-4x scopes.
remember some guys still use iron sights, and MD forget this from time to time. |
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Posted: 2/10/2011 7:51:20 AM
Really, so many options. 2-8x with irons for close up stuff: That is if you shoot matches that see 500+ yard targets. 1-4x is the most popular, with illuminated reticle. S&B and Luepold now have 1-8x scopes out. They cost more than my 2011 and AR put together.
I just ordered a Vortex Viper. The Burris TAC30 is popular right now, like the Millet was popular two years ago. It's cheap and those that use them like the reticle. I don't really care for it, even though it would probably work just fine for my application. I don't have a 600 yard range, nor do I shoot matches that extend that far. Anyway, it's impossible to say what is best for you application. Search reviews and opinions and then see if those match your needs. |
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Posted: 2/10/2011 8:45:52 AM
I have been running a Burris XTR 1-4 with a cat tail lever and I love it. It's a true 1x and the glass is clear as any of the more pricey optics on the market. I am also using the P.E.P.R. mount from Burris and it works for me as well. I thought I would end up moving to a Larue mount but the Burris mount has the correct rise for my head position.
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Posted: 2/10/2011 12:12:50 PM
Originally Posted By JOHNNY223:
I'm new to the game so what is generally considered the "best" magnification range that would do the job from CQB out to the usual max distanced that you guys see in most matches. I presently have a Trijicon 1.25-4x (German #4) that works great out to 225y for me, but I'm thinking that the lack of bullet drop or a holdover scale is going to limit what I can do out to the furthest targets in the various stages. So: * What is out there that is thought of to be the best scope for 3 gun right now. * What is considered to be "enough to do the job" in magnification . (1-4 with a bullet drop built in?) * What is the usual size steel out to 500 - 600y ? Thanks. J223... No one can tell you what the best scope/rifle/pistol/car/dishwasher for you is, since there will always be differences in use cases and preferences. If you ask what the best scope is, people will usually tell you what the best for them is, which might not be at all what you're looking for. Better would be "These are my preferences, my intended use and this is how much I want to spend. What scopes should I look at to find something that suits me" Most 3-gun matches dont really go beyond 350 and very few go beyond 425. Remember that there will be people shooting the match with irons, so a 1-4x scope is usually more than enough. |
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Posted: 2/10/2011 12:24:21 PM
the best is up to you. I think a great scope for the money is the GRSC. You can see them on the ad banner up top alot. Call them up and ask for pricing on a 1-6 power. Should be more than enough bang for your buck and if you don't like them you can generally resell them here for close on the same as what you bought.
I shoot 1-4 power. Just got rid of a IOR pitbull I wouldn't suggest that for three gun as it is heavy. |
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Posted: 2/10/2011 1:04:00 PM
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I just went thru the process of selecting a 3 gun scope. I was using an Eotech. Our range has always had short range targes, so i didnt need more. They recently stated that we will be shooint out to 200 yards. I tried the eotec with a 3x magnifier. It seemed to work just fine, even out a few hundred yards. 1-4x would be fine. I ended up getting a Weaver 1-3x.
The reasons were: it is lighter than all of the 30mm 1-4x scopes shorter than those scopes great glass true 1x. A little goggle eye at very close targets, within 5 feet. no batteries to screw with great eye relief. 3.5 inches YMMV the price is great. Usually under $200 i havent used it in a match yet, but i am confident it will do the job. The few times i practiced with it, i was happy. I will not be using any BUIS or a second red dot. The scope will be my only sights. Past 300 yards, this scope might not be ideal, but for 200 in, i should be good. good read |
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Posted: 2/10/2011 4:33:00 PM
Check out the Burris Tac 30. Nice glass, 1-4 power, Ballistic Drop reticle and a huge field of view. The price isn't bad at $300 either.
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Posted: 2/10/2011 5:03:08 PM
I have the Burris tac30 in a larue mount. Going from a eotech to this scope was easy for me since the reticles are similar in design.
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Posted: 2/10/2011 7:00:13 PM
What about Meopta, thought they were coming out with an updated model but haven't seen/heard anything about it?
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Posted: 2/10/2011 7:03:26 PM
[Last Edit: 2/10/2011 7:15:29 PM by JOHNNY223]
OK - I really appreciate the responses. That being said, as I read all of them collectively I now have a clearer picture of what the "usual" 3 gun match consists of in regards to max distance. So in my case, I see myself only going to near by ranges that actually hold 3 gun or "practical rifle" , and all of those are only out to 200. I may see myself attending a match out to 600 maybe once a year (New Holland P.A.) , so I'm thinking that the Accupoint I currently have is actually a great way to go for under 300 yards.
* What is the standard size steel that you would expect to see out to 300 ? * What sactioning body allows use of dual optics (magnified and a mini dot on an offset) ? I believe its called "Open Class" IIRC , and are these matches held often or are the single optics matches the most common schedule to attend ... Thanks again. J223... My current setup...  |
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Posted: 2/10/2011 7:09:35 PM
[Last Edit: 2/10/2011 7:10:47 PM by Afterwork_Ninja]
Have you seen this thread?
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=421244 It has a lot of great reviews on variable optics. |
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Posted: 2/10/2011 8:24:30 PM
Originally Posted By JOHNNY223:
* What is the standard size steel that you would expect to see out to 300 ? * What sactioning body allows use of dual optics (magnified and a mini dot on an offset) ? I believe its called "Open Class" IIRC , and are these matches held often or are the single optics matches the most common schedule to attend ... 1. Usually 8-10" MGM steel target. 2. Usually the match will recognize different divisions with 1 of them being Open Class. You're correct that 2 optics will put you into open class, along with that GripPod/Bipod configuration. If you're just starting out, I'd recommend Tactical Optics with your AccuPoint and remove the GripPod. |
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Posted: 2/10/2011 8:47:32 PM
Originally Posted By SuperSet72:
Originally Posted By JOHNNY223:
* What is the standard size steel that you would expect to see out to 300 ? * What sactioning body allows use of dual optics (magnified and a mini dot on an offset) ? I believe its called "Open Class" IIRC , and are these matches held often or are the single optics matches the most common schedule to attend ... 1. Usually 8-10" MGM steel target. 2. Usually the match will recognize different divisions with 1 of them being Open Class. You're correct that 2 optics will put you into open class, along with that GripPod/Bipod configuration. If you're just starting out, I'd recommend Tactical Optics with your AccuPoint and remove the GripPod. the grip pod can stay as long as he ONLY uses it as a VFG, deploy those legs and welcome to open. |
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Derek45
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Posted: 2/10/2011 9:45:27 PM
I really like the BURRIS XTR 1-4x
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Posted: 2/11/2011 12:48:15 AM
For Tac Scope I have found 1-4x entirely adequate. Personally, I also think BDC is overrated... for the most part holding over works well at the ranges typically encountered (i.e.under 500 yards).
One other option to consider: More and more matches are allowing red dot optics in the new Tac Limited division. If you have young eyes, this may have appeal. After several years in Tac Scope, I have recently gone over to Tac Limited with an Aimpoint ML3. |
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Posted: 2/11/2011 9:07:15 AM
Originally Posted By Derek45:
I really like the BURRIS XTR 1-4x +1 Best 3-gun optic out there under $1k. |
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Posted: 2/11/2011 10:48:24 AM
The Leupold Prismatic.
It zooms all the way up to 1 power. I'll have my hands on one soon and I'm hoping it will be ideal for limited.  |
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Posted: 2/11/2011 12:42:42 PM
+1 on the Burris XTR, with cat tail.
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Posted: 2/13/2011 7:37:37 PM
Right now the "Best" semi to be the Swarovski z6i BRT. I have one and love it, but the price tag is pretty steep. I don't see myself owning two anytime in the near future.
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Posted: 2/13/2011 7:42:41 PM
Trijicon Accupoint 1x4..... I wish they would develop this model in a 1x7 or 1x9 and it would be perfect.
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Posted: 2/14/2011 7:57:04 PM
Originally Posted By SGTCap:
Right now the "Best" semi to be the Swarovski z6i BRT. I have one and love it, but the price tag is pretty steep. I don't see myself owning two anytime in the near future. I think the S&B 1-8 that's forthcoming will be the one to beat at that point. The Swaro is awesome though. Totally agreed. The one to have right now if price is no object. |
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Posted: 2/15/2011 8:34:06 PM
Originally Posted By THellURider:
Originally Posted By SGTCap:
Right now the "Best" semi to be the Swarovski z6i BRT. I have one and love it, but the price tag is pretty steep. I don't see myself owning two anytime in the near future. I think the S&B 1-8 that's forthcoming will be the one to beat at that point. The Swaro is awesome though. Totally agreed. The one to have right now if price is no object. I dont like the reticle options in the S&B and in a match, 8x will basically be unusable anyway. From what Ive seen, I'll be sticking to my Z6s. |
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Posted: 2/16/2011 12:04:51 AM
Originally Posted By Zarboe:
What about Meopta, thought they were coming out with an updated model but haven't seen/heard anything about it? I saw the Meopta at the SHOT Show. The "new" reticle is nothing more than chevrons instead of the solid verticle post on the bottom of the dot. Personally, I thought it was lame although would offer a tad more BDC than the solid post. But there are way better choices out there. I was disappointed and thought Meopta would do better than that. Craig |
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Posted: 2/23/2011 11:56:51 PM
i run a eotech too and i just choke on those 300+ targets. i can barely see the dang thing out there.
i'm debating about what to do. thinking about either getting the eotech magnifier or running a scope with a mini red dot on a 1 o'clock so i dont have to adjust. plus i just hate looking down tubular sights at anything less than 50 yds. |
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Posted: 2/24/2011 1:00:31 PM
a scope and a mini RDS will but you in open in some (if not all) shooting comps.
If your going for a maginifer look for a 4x job. I went the Aimpoint and 3x maginfire route. If I was doing it again I would not go the route. To much money in optics and mounts for what you get. A true 1x to 4 is money much better spent. |
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