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Posted: 6/27/2014 12:41:46 PM EDT
Sup everyone,
I have decided to take my 10 years as a Fleet Marine Force Hospital Corpsman and transform it to medical aid training for an austere urban environment.  I was curious to know if this would be a good idea?  The reason why I ask is due to the fact that a tactical training company approached me in this regard, and asked me to develop this on my own.  When they put together a class, they will call me in to teach.  Well I put this together and they can't get a class together.  I believe I will be better off networking on my own with this.  Your thoughts, and ideas are greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Instructor/Developer
Urban Medical Integration Training (U-MIT)
Link Posted: 6/27/2014 1:17:19 PM EDT
[#1]
If you create the class make sure that YOU own the material rather than them.  That way they can't take all your efforts then fire  you and use your product while you cannot.

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Link Posted: 6/27/2014 2:41:35 PM EDT
[#2]
Exactly,
My logo is trademarked to me, my material is copywritten to me, and my personally designed med bag is in a paten phase to me.  I will still work with them if they ever get around to classes, I am more or so curious if there is a demand for this kind of training.

Thank you,

U-MIT
Link Posted: 6/27/2014 4:23:33 PM EDT
[#3]
One aspect to keep in mind, is teaching certain things to civilians and the liability that comes along with it. Examples such as Needle chest decompression and emergency tracheotomys are things you need to probaby omit from teaching joe the mall ninja. More folks ought to get this training if you ask me.
Best of luck
Link Posted: 6/27/2014 11:04:57 PM EDT
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One aspect to keep in mind, is teaching certain things to civilians and the liability that comes along with it. Examples such as Needle chest decompression and emergency tracheotomys are things you need to probaby omit from teaching joe the mall ninja. More folks ought to get this training if you ask me.
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We replaced these with a CPR cert in our CIV Med class. We live in a pretty major metro area, the likelihood of a CPR need is higher and some of our students need it for work anyway.
Link Posted: 7/3/2014 8:29:35 PM EDT
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You are correct.
Nothing involves needles, piercing, cutting, or aid that required certification first.  They are all simple tools that can help save lives.
Link Posted: 7/3/2014 8:35:01 PM EDT
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If any of you want to check out what I have started up, I have a website and business facebook page.  

web:
www.urban-med.com

facebook:
Urban Medical Integration Training (U-MIT)

Let me know what you think.

thanks!
Link Posted: 7/3/2014 9:31:47 PM EDT
[#7]
What the heck is urban medicine?  Will it work in rural Wyoming?

Why would I want to patch someone up if I just bothered to put a hole in them?

Not to be super harsh or anything, but what makes you stand out from a Red Cross class?

Charging a hundred bucks for a gun safety class?  Isn't Eddie the Eagle stuff pretty much free from the NRA?

Did you pass the sniper course or just participate?  

Not sure I'd be too interested.

Link Posted: 7/7/2014 12:07:03 PM EDT
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What the heck is urban medicine?  Will it work in rural Wyoming?

Why would I want to patch someone up if I just bothered to put a hole in them?

Not to be super harsh or anything, but what makes you stand out from a Red Cross class?

Charging a hundred bucks for a gun safety class?  Isn't Eddie the Eagle stuff pretty much free from the NRA?

Did you pass the sniper course or just participate?  

Not sure I'd be too interested.

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This is probably one of the most narrow minded posts I have ever seen. Applying stuff you learn in a class like this applicable to many situations from a car accident or a hunting mishap. Trauma management is trauma management it depends little on the actual scenario. Good luck to you dude should you ever need to save a life you'll probably wishing you had some good kit and good training
Link Posted: 7/7/2014 12:09:01 PM EDT
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I've been looking for this type of training lately.
Link Posted: 7/7/2014 1:22:08 PM EDT
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What the heck is urban medicine?  Will it work in rural Wyoming?

Why would I want to patch someone up if I just bothered to put a hole in them?

Not to be super harsh or anything, but what makes you stand out from a Red Cross class?

Charging a hundred bucks for a gun safety class?  Isn't Eddie the Eagle stuff pretty much free from the NRA?

Did you pass the sniper course or just participate?  

Not sure I'd be too interested.

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 You might want to patch up a friend, family member, or yourself.  A Red Cross class covers some basics that everyone should know.  While I don't know UMIT, these kind of classes usually cover trauma management from knives, guns, impact or other mechanisms.  They are typically geared towards life stabilization and readiness for transport.  While they don't make you a tactical paramedic or military corpsman, they do teach you what you need to save a life if you have the opportunity.  Most of the biggest life savers don't take a MD to perform if you have someone who knows what they are doing.

If you don't think it is for you, it probably isn't.
Link Posted: 7/7/2014 1:57:50 PM EDT
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1.  Urban medicine is set apart from a military combat medicine.  It can be used in rural Wyoming, and it can be used anywhere and not just in shooting or stabbing scenarios.  
2.  The saying “if you put a hole in someone, can you patch it up” referrers to this:  In most cases, any trained individual with any kind of weapon will only draw in self-defense or the defense of others.   That usually means that someone is attempting to shoot at you as well.  You may be able to pull the trigger and put holes in them, but what if you, your family, your friend, or anyone next to you gets hit.  Would you know what to do in order to patch them up?
3.  I don’t mind your comments.  I need to hear this stuff.  This is why I posted here, and that was to get feedback.  The one thing Red Cross does not have that I do is personal combat experience.  This class provides training not standardized by the Red Cross.  It’s just a different way of doing things, from a different prospective.
4.  The prices are negotiable, but most of the weapons familiarization, safety, and handling do cost money.  As stated earlier.  These will be tactics that I learned from 10 years of military service combined with combat tours, and special training.  This includes Black Water security training.
5.  I did pass the sniper course.  The Marines don’t play around.  If they want you with a specific team, you have to earn your way there.  
6.  If you want to check out my Facebook page, that might help your decision.  I post segments about gear, and I make fun videos about out of the ordinary med tips.  Last week’s tip involved things you can find around the house to make a finger splint.  Today’s tip will be things to find around the house to make a field expedient tourniquet.  Let me know what you think.  I really do value your opinion and am totally cool with criticism.  

:  https://www.facebook.com/pages/Urban-Medical-Integration-Training-U-MIT/1465603577011833
Link Posted: 7/7/2014 1:59:41 PM EDT
[#12]
Have you checked out the website, FaceBook page, or YouTube page?  Lots of good info.  Let me know what you think.

thanks,

U-MIT
Link Posted: 7/7/2014 3:37:44 PM EDT
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19JULY14...local to you from dudes you know.
www.lighthorsetactical.com
Link Posted: 7/7/2014 3:40:40 PM EDT
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I've been looking for this type of training lately.






19JULY14...local to you from dudes you know.


www.lighthorsetactical.com



I'm gonna be camping in the woods.






I'll hit you on FB.
 
Link Posted: 7/7/2014 4:06:35 PM EDT
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So would this basically be like EMT-B with integration of what we learned in CLS?
Link Posted: 7/7/2014 9:17:07 PM EDT
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1.  Urban medicine is set apart from a military combat medicine.  It can be used in rural Wyoming, and it can be used anywhere and not just in shooting or stabbing scenarios.  
2.  The saying “if you put a hole in someone, can you patch it up” referrers to this:  In most cases, any trained individual with any kind of weapon will only draw in self-defense or the defense of others.   That usually means that someone is attempting to shoot at you as well.  You may be able to pull the trigger and put holes in them, but what if you, your family, your friend, or anyone next to you gets hit.  Would you know what to do in order to patch them up?
3.  I don’t mind your comments.  I need to hear this stuff.  This is why I posted here, and that was to get feedback.  The one thing Red Cross does not have that I do is personal combat experience.  This class provides training not standardized by the Red Cross.  It’s just a different way of doing things, from a different prospective.
4.  The prices are negotiable, but most of the weapons familiarization, safety, and handling do cost money.  As stated earlier.  These will be tactics that I learned from 10 years of military service combined with combat tours, and special training.  This includes Black Water security training.
5.  I did pass the sniper course.  The Marines don’t play around.  If they want you with a specific team, you have to earn your way there.  
6.  If you want to check out my Facebook page, that might help your decision.  I post segments about gear, and I make fun videos about out of the ordinary med tips.  Last week’s tip involved things you can find around the house to make a finger splint.  Today’s tip will be things to find around the house to make a field expedient tourniquet.  Let me know what you think.  I really do value your opinion and am totally cool with criticism.  

:  https://www.facebook.com/pages/Urban-Medical-Integration-Training-U-MIT/1465603577011833
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1. If it can be used anywhere, the urban designation is a meaningless affectation.  I'd ditch it.
2. Your catch phrase implies poor marksmanship.  "You got hit, now what?" seems more to the point.
4. I don't see anyone paying 100 bucks for a safety class, especially if it doesn't lead to a hunter's safety certificate.  Who is your target customer, is there a market?
5. I'd be clear about your bona fides, claiming "participation" could mean you washed out on day one or that you pulled targets in the pits as a volunteer.
6. I watched your improvised tourniquet video.  Silly and childish are the words that come to mind. Again, who is your target customer?  If you just want YouTube hits silly stuff might get some extra views, if your target customer is people who pay to take firearms training, the goofball crap could be a huge detriment.

Think about how you present yourself.  I've been a consumer of medical education since AIT in 1988 (91B, Combat Medical Specialist), you need some more work.

Link Posted: 7/7/2014 9:51:04 PM EDT
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5.  I did pass the sniper course.  The Marines don’t play around.  If they want you with a specific team, you have to earn your way there.  



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Where did you pass BSSS at?



 
Link Posted: 7/7/2014 10:13:58 PM EDT
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So why urban medicine? It sounds like you are trying to incorporate the newer thoughts of the TCCC but give it a new name. Also how would neutering TCCC be effective. Without at least mock triage training, and preferably live tissue the consumer would leave without any real information. Maybe I've been spoiled with pre deployment training, but even after three weeks of classroom training most of us didn't have a clue where to start when live tissue training started. Is this more a familiarization course into turniquets, nose tubes, and halo bandages? I think a lot of emergency classes teach these things now. Just wondering. Please don't think I'm being mean.
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I have been trying to get our church interested in doing this. if not for our own well being but to help others.



I have a strong feeling that lots of bad things are going to be happening  

 
Link Posted: 7/8/2014 12:21:29 AM EDT
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I have been trying to get our church interested in doing this. if not for our own well being but to help others.



I have a strong feeling that lots of bad things are going to be happening    
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I've been looking for this type of training lately.
I have been trying to get our church interested in doing this. if not for our own well being but to help others.



I have a strong feeling that lots of bad things are going to be happening    


Get with the local boy scouts and FD, they usually have contacts for first aid.



What I'm looking for is more tactical/combat medicine.



 
Link Posted: 7/8/2014 6:06:57 AM EDT
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So why urban medicine? It sounds like you are trying to incorporate the newer thoughts of the TCCC but give it a new name. Also how would neutering TCCC be effective. Without at least mock triage training, and preferably live tissue the consumer would leave without any real information. Maybe I've been spoiled with pre deployment training, but even after three weeks of classroom training most of us didn't have a clue where to start when live tissue training started. Is this more a familiarization course into turniquets, nose tubes, and halo bandages? I think a lot of emergency classes teach these things now. Just wondering. Please don't think I'm being mean.
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Actually the CIV version is TECC.
Link Posted: 7/8/2014 12:03:19 PM EDT
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This is a condensed version of CLS.  For liability purposes, I can only teach so much.  I helped develope and train all my Marines in CLS.  I am bringing that, and my combat experience to the table to help those who have no education in this subject matter.  

thanks,

U-MIT
Link Posted: 7/8/2014 12:04:52 PM EDT
[#23]
Stone Bay North Carolina.
Link Posted: 7/8/2014 12:12:48 PM EDT
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This is all good feedback.  This course is based off of Combat Life Savers that I used to teach my Marines before deployment.  Taking other med classes through red cross, or a local institution is very costly.  This is simple tactics that can be tought to help the uneducated save a life without all the NG tubes, intubation, cricothyroidotomy, Jug vein cutdowns, needle decompression, and any other evasive procedure.  These classes are geared to help the individuals that are affraid to help others for the fear of not knowing what to do.  

thank you,

U-MIT
Link Posted: 7/8/2014 12:14:55 PM EDT
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I think church is a great place to have this basic training like this.  I want to help those who want to help others, but dont have the means to.  I would like to get teachers involved, and as many others as well.  You are right.  Something could very well happen.

Great Feedback,

U-MIT
Link Posted: 7/8/2014 12:19:13 PM EDT
[#26]
Tactical Med can be incoportated with this.  Thats the beauty of this.  You can request what ever training you are looking for.  Just a little while ago I developed a tacmed class for a Personal Security Detail course that was being held at MAST Solutions.  I just cant list that I teach sutures, IV insertion, needle decompression, Cricothyroidotomy, or any evasive procedure.

thank you,

U-MIT
Link Posted: 7/8/2014 12:36:33 PM EDT
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1. If it can be used anywhere, the urban designation is a meaningless affectation.  I'd ditch it.
2. Your catch phrase implies poor marksmanship.  "You got hit, now what?" seems more to the point.
4. I don't see anyone paying 100 bucks for a safety class, especially if it doesn't lead to a hunter's safety certificate.  Who is your target customer, is there a market?
5. I'd be clear about your bona fides, claiming "participation" could mean you washed out on day one or that you pulled targets in the pits as a volunteer.
6. I watched your improvised tourniquet video.  Silly and childish are the words that come to mind. Again, who is your target customer?  If you just want YouTube hits silly stuff might get some extra views, if your target customer is people who pay to take firearms training, the goofball crap could be a huge detriment.

Think about how you present yourself.  I've been a consumer of medical education since AIT in 1988 (91B, Combat Medical Specialist), you need some more work.

I am sorry, but I can't ditch it now.  It has already been Trademarked
I am cool with changing my catch phrase.  Thanks for the suggestion
The $100 is not for adults.  Its for a Childrens education class where they get a workbook, goody bag, and teeshirt.  I can reduce that price though.  I dont mind that at all.  All prices are flexable.
I will correct where I said participated and indicatet that I passsed and served with Snipers and Designated marksman
The first video that I made did not have the comic relief in it.  I was doing something different rather than the same ole boring instructional videos.  I am trying to figure out a way to make it fun while getting good info.  This is not fire arms training.  This is about safety, and educating people so they know what to do if something bad happens.  I can make it very basic for the beginner, or amp it up and gear it toward the tactical side.  Simulations and practical applications assist that.

I will consider my presentation and if things need to be changed, than I will do so.  You have awesome tips and suggestions and your credibility speaks for itself.  As I stated earlier, my goal is to help those who want to help themselves and others.   Tactical training is one thing, but incorporating tactical with first aid at a beginner level is a bit different.  One of the best courses I have ever taken was passing Operational Emergency Medical School (OEMS), but there is no way I can teach things like that to beginners.   Thanks again,  U-MIT
Link Posted: 7/15/2014 9:14:43 PM EDT
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I liked your page and I am not sure if you know but if you contact chinook, they are great people to work with. I cant praise them enough.
Link Posted: 7/22/2014 1:54:09 PM EDT
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I love the idea. If this guy were in Kentucky I'd take the course.
Link Posted: 8/1/2014 10:57:45 AM EDT
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-PWLewis:  I love the idea. If this guy were in Kentucky I'd take the course.

If enough people were to come to a class, I would travel to you.  I figured this would be a good idea.  what do you think?

-U-MIT
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