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Posted: 7/24/2012 10:34:00 PM

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I want to start taking courses at an academy, and being in Illinois, Tactical Response is the closest by far. Has anyone gone to both Tactical Response and another big name place like Gunsite/Thunder Ranch/blackwater/Frontsight? How does the level of training by tactical response compare?

Thanks!
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Posted: 7/24/2012 10:46:28 PM
Check out Boone County IN.

No reason to go elsewhere.
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Posted: 7/24/2012 11:29:23 PM
I haven't took a class myself (yet.), but I have talk to a few who have, and they have good things to say about the classes. One guy I ran into at a NC Defense Concepts class told me he hosted a week long "course" (fighting pistol, advance pistol, and fighting rifle), he really enjoyed the classes but said that James got a bit on his nerves by the end of the week.

I have watched most of there DVD, and really like the fighting pistol one (the class room part has a lot of good mindset info). I would like to take a class from them, the only "bad" I can think of is they usually have very high round counts in there classes. I would like to take Fighting Pistol, The Fight, and there Medical class.

IMO I would be looking for one of these guys to take a class from once I got some type of basic pistol class under my belt.

Kyle Lamb http://www.vikingtactics.com/instruction.html
Larry Vickers http://vickerstactical.com/
Paul Howe http://www.combatshootingandtactics.com/about.htm
Pat Rodger http://www.eagtactical.com/
Todd Green http://pistol-training.com/classes
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Posted: 7/25/2012 12:01:02 AM
Considered a coward by guys in the field. A quick google search of his name and Iraq 2005 should show you why. He may be good at teaching basic fundamentals (don't have to be a genius o do that) but I would be wary of mindset lessons from a guy who stands in between the targets his students are shooting at to "keep his edge" Better off learning mindset from those who actually participated in gunfights, not off crying in a ditch.

Form your own opinion however it seems that he is constantly trying to prove how tough he thinks he is...

Basically, there are many better choices...
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Posted: 7/25/2012 12:07:43 PM
He's controversial. There are lots of people in the field who aren't. I'd go elsewhere. For a new shooter I like to recommend Gunsite if they have the means because a five day class provides more repetitions than the two-three day classes offered by the competition. The only downside is the Weaver stance they teach.
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Posted: 7/25/2012 6:03:04 PM
Take the Tactical Response Fighting Pistol. If you are not happy at the end of the 2nd day with the class, you can ask for a refund. You must state why in front of the class but the ability is there if you didn't like the training.

As for ColoCCW - seems like he takes the opportunity to bash Yeager / Tactical Response every chance he gets. -shrug-
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Posted: 7/25/2012 10:16:52 PM
Originally Posted By xmikex:
As for ColoCCW - seems like he takes the opportunity to bash Yeager / Tactical Response every chance he gets. -shrug-


As I said, those of us in the field and who were there in 05 consider him a coward and a fake. I call it like I see it.
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Posted: 7/25/2012 10:28:58 PM
So what would you have done in his situation?
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Posted: 7/25/2012 10:45:37 PM
Yeager would be employable in that field if he hadn't written that AAR and sent it to the whole world.
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Posted: 7/25/2012 11:10:21 PM
Originally Posted By xmikex:
So what would you have done in his situation?


I've done the most important thing each time...keep my head in the game. I've never set an emergency brake in an ambush, I've never hid in a ditch while teammates were getting shot up, I actually faught back (when not moving a principle), and I didn't go and bitch about it to the world with a public AAR. That's why I'm still doing this job and why some of my teammates ar still doing this job.

Does that sufficently answer your question? Did he not tell you of his past cowardace while you promote his classes?

As I said before...there are many better choices.
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Posted: 7/25/2012 11:30:45 PM
Thanks for all the input guys. I'm not too familiar with his incident so I can't comment. Being so close, I think I'm going to try one of their classes. I'll report back with my experience!
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Posted: 7/26/2012 12:02:18 AM
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Yeager invites anyone that has something to say about him to say it to his face at SHOT Show every year.... no takers yet.

Yes, he's a horses ass and he knows it. But he's also an extremely competent shooter and instructor. I spent a few days with him while we were both in LA on shooting/tv related business a couple of years ago. He's pretty damn funny and cool to hang out with.

I've only taken his Fighting Pistol but he wasn't the instructor. Jay Gibson taught the class.

For the money it's a good course, but its more of a mindset course than a marksmanship course.

IMHO, I didn't feel like I was pressed for accuracy enough, but that's not really the point of the class anyway. The purpose of the course is to instill a fighting, never-give-up attitude and survival mindset.

If you take the class in Camden, BE SURE to stay in the Team Room. There are loaded AKs in every corner and a holster screwed to the wall in the bathroom so you can stow your pistol while you take a shit.

There is a combat reading library in the Team Room too, and you can borrow books so long as you return them.

There was an Iraq vet with his wife in the class as well as a DHS instructor. There were a couple of other guys in class that I've remained good friends with, that are both secret squirrel contractors with the Army.

And for those who care, the company that Yeager worked for in Iraq reported later that he had followed procedure.
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Posted: 7/26/2012 12:06:05 AM
Originally Posted By Badfish25:
I haven't took a class myself (yet.), but I have talk to a few who have, and they have good things to say about the classes. One guy I ran into at a NC Defense Concepts class told me he hosted a week long "course" (fighting pistol, advance pistol, and fighting rifle), he really enjoyed the classes but said that James got a bit on his nerves by the end of the week.

I have watched most of there DVD, and really like the fighting pistol one (the class room part has a lot of good mindset info). I would like to take a class from them, the only "bad" I can think of is they usually have very high round counts in there classes. I would like to take Fighting Pistol, The Fight, and there Medical class.

IMO I would be looking for one of these guys to take a class from once I got some type of basic pistol class under my belt.

Kyle Lamb http://www.vikingtactics.com/instruction.html
Larry Vickers http://vickerstactical.com/
Paul Howe http://www.combatshootingandtactics.com/about.htm
Pat Rodger http://www.eagtactical.com/
Todd Green http://pistol-training.com/classes


Add Rich Mason to that list.http://www.darc1.com/

I'll be at his carbine course Aug 10-12th.

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Posted: 7/26/2012 4:43:35 PM
TR is a "big name"

Bet TR has more students every year than GS or Thunder Ranch have in recent years.
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Posted: 7/29/2012 4:54:51 PM
Originally Posted By StevenH:
TR is a "big name"

Bet TR has more students every year than GS or Thunder Ranch have in recent years.


...and Scientology is big in California too from what I hear...doesn't mean it's worth a damn. You can package a POS any way you want and make it look cool but it's still a POS.
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Posted: 7/29/2012 5:06:20 PM
Originally Posted By xmikex:
Take the Tactical Response Fighting Pistol. If you are not happy at the end of the 2nd day with the class, you can ask for a refund. You must state why in front of the class but the ability is there if you didn't like the training.

As for ColoCCW - seems like he takes the opportunity to bash Yeager / Tactical Response every chance he gets. -shrug-


Good luck with that. There was a thread on here about a year ago(in TN hometown i beliave), about how bac of a class it was and TR refused to refund his money.
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Posted: 7/30/2012 1:34:02 AM
Originally Posted By GrassHog:
Originally Posted By xmikex:
Take the Tactical Response Fighting Pistol. If you are not happy at the end of the 2nd day with the class, you can ask for a refund. You must state why in front of the class but the ability is there if you didn't like the training.

As for ColoCCW - seems like he takes the opportunity to bash Yeager / Tactical Response every chance he gets. -shrug-


Good luck with that. There was a thread on here about a year ago(in TN hometown i beliave), about how bac of a class it was and TR refused to refund his money.


That thread... did not go as the OP intended. He was outed and (I think) banned from ARFCOM. LOL

He and his buddy also left after 1 day. TR asks for a fair shake - give them a full 2 days and tell them why you were unsatisfied in front of the entire class. You'll get a refund if you can state why the class sucked and did not deliver as advertised.
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Posted: 7/30/2012 2:42:14 PM
I would take it hands down and would recommend it to anyone else.
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Posted: 8/2/2012 5:59:43 PM
Originally Posted By xmikex:
Take the Tactical Response Fighting Pistol. If you are not happy at the end of the 2nd day with the class, you can ask for a refund. You must state why in front of the class but the ability is there if you didn't like the training.

As for ColoCCW - seems like he takes the opportunity to bash Yeager / Tactical Response every chance he gets. -shrug-


Nonsense.

Look it up.
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Posted: 8/4/2012 2:30:21 AM
I have taken a fair amount of courses over the years from various "big name" and not so big name places.

For the record, I have taken several courses from the big boys, like SigArms (now Sig Sauer) Academy and Blackwater (when it was still Blackwater).

I have also taken courses from small shops (EAG Tactical and CCJA). I have also taken instruction from Tactical Response.

Here's my take:

James Yeager IS controversial. Period.

There are those that hate him, while others love the ground he treads.

Some of us don't give a shit, either way.

TR is different in that the training was outside what I was accustomed to. For example, there were none of the usual "range rules"
that one is accustomed to at various schools and ranges. The Four Rules Of Firearms Handling were the principles adhered to at Tactical Response.
This meant that there were times when students were 'down range' during firing excercises.This reflected a philosophy that in a real scenario, the bad
guys are not going to wait for all of your party to be on a nice linear line before they open up on you.

Some folks have issues with this and call it unsafe,

I had no problem with this at all.

In the end, I am happy that I did take instruction from Mr.Yeager. Any good instructor tells their students to get as much training from as many
different instructors as they can. Thus, I feel that going to TR was a good experience, to go along with what I had learned at the other places I have been.

I have no regrets.

As others have stated, he offers a money back guarantee (with some limitations) and if you do not like the product, you can take
advantage of this offer.
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Posted: 8/4/2012 7:13:42 PM
Originally Posted By xmikex:
Take the Tactical Response Fighting Pistol. If you are not happy at the end of the 2nd day with the class, you can ask for a refund. You must state why in front of the class but the ability is there if you didn't like the training.

As for ColoCCW - seems like he takes the opportunity to bash Yeager / Tactical Response every chance he gets. -shrug-


So Yeager requires a dissatisfied customer to publicly humiliate himself before he'll consider giving a refund? What an ass...
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Originally Posted By SF1058:
Originally Posted By xmikex:
Take the Tactical Response Fighting Pistol. If you are not happy at the end of the 2nd day with the class, you can ask for a refund. You must state why in front of the class but the ability is there if you didn't like the training.

As for ColoCCW - seems like he takes the opportunity to bash Yeager / Tactical Response every chance he gets. -shrug-


So Yeager requires a dissatisfied customer to publicly humiliate himself before he'll consider giving a refund? What an ass...


Yep]

...and people think it's wrong to require someone to be sucessfull in a gunfight to teach gunfighting to others (hiding in a ditch doesn't count as sucessfull).
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Posted: 8/5/2012 4:15:33 AM
Originally Posted By SF1058:
Originally Posted By xmikex:
Take the Tactical Response Fighting Pistol. If you are not happy at the end of the 2nd day with the class, you can ask for a refund. You must state why in front of the class but the ability is there if you didn't like the training.

As for ColoCCW - seems like he takes the opportunity to bash Yeager / Tactical Response every chance he gets. -shrug-


So Yeager requires a dissatisfied customer to publicly humiliate himself before he'll consider giving a refund? What an ass...


Careful, he challenges his critics to duels on YouTube.
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Posted: 8/5/2012 4:29:26 AM
Originally Posted By xmikex:
Originally Posted By GrassHog:
Originally Posted By xmikex:
Take the Tactical Response Fighting Pistol. If you are not happy at the end of the 2nd day with the class, you can ask for a refund. You must state why in front of the class but the ability is there if you didn't like the training.

As for ColoCCW - seems like he takes the opportunity to bash Yeager / Tactical Response every chance he gets. -shrug-


Good luck with that. There was a thread on here about a year ago(in TN hometown i beliave), about how bac of a class it was and TR refused to refund his money.


That thread... did not go as the OP intended. He was outed and (I think) banned from ARFCOM. LOL

He and his buddy also left after 1 day. TR asks for a fair shake - give them a full 2 days and tell them why you were unsatisfied in front of the entire class. You'll get a refund if you can state why the class sucked and did not deliver as advertised.


Please link the thread if you're going to make assertions like that about the person who posted it.
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Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Originally Posted By SF1058:
Originally Posted By xmikex:
Take the Tactical Response Fighting Pistol. If you are not happy at the end of the 2nd day with the class, you can ask for a refund. You must state why in front of the class but the ability is there if you didn't like the training.

As for ColoCCW - seems like he takes the opportunity to bash Yeager / Tactical Response every chance he gets. -shrug-


So Yeager requires a dissatisfied customer to publicly humiliate himself before he'll consider giving a refund? What an ass...


Careful, he challenges his critics to duels on YouTube.


Well, I guess he can't challenge me to an eating contest anymore...

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Originally Posted By Josh:
Originally Posted By xmikex:
Originally Posted By GrassHog:
Originally Posted By xmikex:
Take the Tactical Response Fighting Pistol. If you are not happy at the end of the 2nd day with the class, you can ask for a refund. You must state why in front of the class but the ability is there if you didn't like the training.

As for ColoCCW - seems like he takes the opportunity to bash Yeager / Tactical Response every chance he gets. -shrug-


Good luck with that. There was a thread on here about a year ago(in TN hometown i beliave), about how bac of a class it was and TR refused to refund his money.


That thread... did not go as the OP intended. He was outed and (I think) banned from ARFCOM. LOL

He and his buddy also left after 1 day. TR asks for a fair shake - give them a full 2 days and tell them why you were unsatisfied in front of the entire class. You'll get a refund if you can state why the class sucked and did not deliver as advertised.


Please link the thread if you're going to make assertions like that about the person who posted it.


That thread happened, the OP of that thread went a bit off the reservation and was sanctioned for it...
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