 Badfish25
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Posted: 5/26/2012 9:06:33 AM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT I was at my local match last week, when a guy from our local P.D. was shooting. The stage had 2 targets with 1 no shoot between them. He shot the first target, and then directed his muzzle over the no shoot and then back down on the second target. I was talking to him after the match, and we both agreed that you should never let your muzzle cross something you are not willing to destroy, so what he did makes perfect sense, I just never really though about it. I understand that IDPA is a game, and people shoot for scores, that's not what this post is about, its more about in training and real life should your muzzle never cross a "friendly"? Should the situation dictate when it dose? Should your finger be off the trigger? How are you guys training around this issue? |
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Posted: 5/26/2012 10:23:52 PM
I think this would be an exception to the rule for me - quickest way to the bag guy is the route I'm taking.
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mcnielsen
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Posted: 5/27/2012 11:23:56 PM
Originally Posted By StealthyBlagga:
I think this would be an exception to the rule for me - quickest way to the bag guy is the route I'm taking. I'd have to agree in the scenario you presented. Other cases may vary. |
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Posted: 5/29/2012 2:08:43 AM
I would add that lifting the gun over the top of the no shoot will not only significantly slow down the time to neutralizing the threat, it also potentially obscures your view of the bad guy. Like I said, I'm taking the shortest and most direct route to solving the problem.
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Blacktide
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Posted: 5/29/2012 3:44:22 AM
Originally Posted By StealthyBlagga:
I would add that lifting the gun over the top of the no shoot will not only significantly slow down the time to neutralizing the threat, it also potentially obscures your view of the bad guy. Like I said, I'm taking the shortest and most direct route to solving the problem. I completely agree with you on this one. In real combat, and especially situations like hostage rescue, safety rules will be broken. Everything is dependant on the situation. |
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Posted: 5/30/2012 11:11:21 PM
1. In real situations several safety rules get violated.
2. IDPA and the like are games as you pointed out. Games reinforced bad tactics if you are not aware of the issues. |
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Badfish25
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Posted: 5/31/2012 9:47:46 PM
[Last Edit: 5/31/2012 9:49:36 PM by Badfish25]
We all know that as long as you are only breaking one rule then that's not so bad, but when you break 2 rules people get hurt, so if you are transitioning between targets and no shoots should your finger be off the trigger?
I know myself after the first trigger pull my finger is shooting from trigger reset, I only remove my finger when I start moving, reloading, or switching cover. How are you guys going about this? |
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Posted: 6/2/2012 6:24:40 PM
Originally Posted By Badfish25:
We all know that as long as you are only breaking one rule then that's not so bad, but when you break 2 rules people get hurt, so if you are transitioning between targets and no shoots should your finger be off the trigger? I know myself after the first trigger pull my finger is shooting from trigger reset, I only remove my finger when I start moving, reloading, or switching cover. How are you guys going about this? The problem is, you're confusing No-Shoots in games with No-Shoots in a real life fight mindset. If I am in a fight for my life, I will be leaving the finger ON the trigger as I am transitioning directly between targets (Fastest way to get from point to point is a straight line, not arcing up and over...) and probably sweeping across the No Shoot. Why? Because time is very very valuable, and I need to deal with threats. If the No-Shoot is another victim, I'm not doing them any good by being dead myself, so it is a calculated risk that will be taken. I remove my finger as you do, only if I am going to move, reload, or the immediate threat in front of me has ended and I am now searching and assessing for additional threats. |
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Badfish25
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Posted: 6/3/2012 3:20:27 PM
That make sense, but I am reminded of a time I was transitioning between targets and had a accidental discharge. No one even knew it but myself as the gun was pointed down range, and it happened when the muzzle was almost on target. I took a lot away from it, and have always remember it when thinking about the 4 safety rules.
Not trying to be like what if... what if... to your post, just something that was on my mind when we were discussing this. |
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