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Posted: 5/9/2017 6:14:49 PM EDT

Figured I should make a NY legal AR pistol.

Can I buy a stripped lower (which is an AOW), and build it from there with a fixed mag and brace?

How would it be added to a pistol permit? I assume the county clerk wants to see a sale receipt and what not from the FFL saying it's a pistol?

No purchase coupon needed in my county so maybe I just get the FFL to fill out the stripped lower paperwork as if it was a pistol, and bring that paperwork to the clerk?

Posted: 5/9/2017 8:22:50 PM EDT

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You can, with a fixed magazine. Then unSAFE doesn'the apply. There is a new stripper clip product out there that loads through an ejection port. Looks good. Unloading would be a bitch though.

A brace would be questionable. I would add it after the pistol is on your permit. Who knows what NYS will deem it as...

Posted: 5/9/2017 8:25:01 PM EDT

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Another option is a vz-58 with a fixed mag. They are on sale at czechpoint-usa.com. The owner told me he would install the fixed mag for NY customers, same as their Liberty model. Costly, but short, light, and loads with stripper clips.

Posted: 5/10/2017 2:02:21 PM EDT

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Thanks Batjka...my question was more about how it is added to the permit. Would the FFL treat the stripped lower (an "OTHER") as a pistol? And fill out the county pistol permit paperwork accordingly?

Posted: 5/10/2017 2:29:16 PM EDT

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Yeah, your FFL definitely has to be in on the process. At least where I am, the bureau wants make, model, serial number, caliber, and barrel length. In other words, a completed pistol. Some counties couldn't care less and just want the info even if it's not completed yet. There's a good number of people who have made them on n y g un forums dot com. Your best bet would be to post a thread there with your county in the title asking if anyone else in your county has added one to their license.

Posted: 5/10/2017 3:50:10 PM EDT

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Sure can. Register it in .223 and .300Blk. This one is built on any NY-10 lower, the manufacturer will engrave it as a pistol for no extra charge. That is the 5.56 upper on it.

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Posted: 5/11/2017 6:12:52 AM EDT

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Thanks Batjka...my question was more about how it is added to the permit. Would the FFL treat the stripped lower (an "OTHER") as a pistol? And fill out the county pistol permit paperwork accordingly?

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Have the Dealer do a P-12 on it (both in and out) then give you a receipt with the normal handgun parameters: e.g.
"Anderson Rifles"
"Pistol"
"Semi-automatic"
"5.56x45"

Now the Dealer is going to have some questions needing answers for the P-12, specifically "Barrel length" as well as "Caliber" but unless he's a paranoid idiot, there really shouldn't be any issue.....I suppose you could list it as "Frame only" but then the County will go bonkers because there'll be a blank space on their form.

Posted: 5/11/2017 10:25:00 AM EDT

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Cool thanks all. I am gonna give it a go this summer.

Posted: 8/7/2017 3:44:42 PM EDT

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Cool thanks all. I am gonna give it a go this summer.

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Posted: 8/8/2017 11:27:02 AM EDT

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You can, with a fixed magazine. Then unSAFE doesn'the apply. There is a new stripper clip product out there that loads through an ejection port. Looks good. Unloading would be a bitch though.

A brace would be questionable. I would add it after the pistol is on your permit. Who knows what NYS will deem it as...

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Yup, the brace might push it over the 50oz weight limit.

Posted: 8/8/2017 12:43:29 PM EDT

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Isn't it a MANUFACTURED weight of 50oz?

That doesn't include accessories added after the fact.

So the manufactured weight doesn't need to include handguards, braces, optics etc. right?

The manufactured weight is what you say it is, since you are making the gun right? To me, the gun is complete and manufactured when it is functional. Or really, the actual firearm is just the LOWER...so the manufactured weight of the actual firearm is just the weight of the lower right?

Who knows really...but I'd say it's fine.

Posted: 8/8/2017 1:16:31 PM EDT

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Isn't it a MANUFACTURED weight of 50oz?

That doesn't include accessories added after the fact.

So the manufactured weight doesn't need to include handguards, braces, optics etc. right?

The manufactured weight is what you say it is, since you are making the gun right? To me, the gun is complete and manufactured when it is functional. Or really, the actual firearm is just the LOWER...so the manufactured weight of the actual firearm is just the weight of the lower right?

Who knows really...but I'd say it's fine.

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Yup, the brace might push it over the 50oz weight limit.

Isn't it a MANUFACTURED weight of 50oz?

That doesn't include accessories added after the fact.

So the manufactured weight doesn't need to include handguards, braces, optics etc. right?

The manufactured weight is what you say it is, since you are making the gun right? To me, the gun is complete and manufactured when it is functional. Or really, the actual firearm is just the LOWER...so the manufactured weight of the actual firearm is just the weight of the lower right?

Who knows really...but I'd say it's fine.

The 50oz weight limit only applies when a semi-auto pistol has the ability to accept a DETACHABLE magazine as with all the other bullshit restrictions according to the safe act web site.

Posted: 8/8/2017 1:17:03 PM EDT

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Yup, the brace might push it over the 50oz weight limit.

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Doesn't the 50oz rule not apply to a fixed mag lower?

Posted: 8/8/2017 1:54:48 PM EDT

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Doesn't the 50oz rule not apply to a fixed mag lower?

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Yes all true...only applies to a semi auto with a detachable mag.

But again the law says MANUFACTURED weight. To me and anyone else, the manufactured weight of the firearm is the weight the gun comes from the factory...in this case, it is the weight of just the lower.

Posted: 8/8/2017 11:35:38 PM EDT

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Yes all true...only applies to a semi auto with a detachable mag.

But again the law says MANUFACTURED weight. To me and anyone else, the manufactured weight of the firearm is the weight the gun comes from the factory...in this case, it is the weight of just the lower.

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When you take a stripped lower and put a sig brace and short barrel on it, you manufacture a pistol.

Posted: 8/8/2017 11:59:03 PM EDT

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Sure can. Register it in .223 and .300Blk. This one is built on any NY-10 lower, the manufacturer will engrave it as a pistol for no extra charge. That is the 5.56 upper on it.

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Needs one of those stupid binary triggers and a SIG brace. Because fuck NY, that's why.

Posted: 8/9/2017 8:36:53 AM EDT

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When you take a stripped lower and put a sig brace and short barrel on it, you manufacture a pistol.

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It's a pistol as soon as the lower is transferred to me as a pistol. The manufactured weight of the lower is under 50oz. Braces and optics and handguards don't count as part of the manufactured weight.

Why would they have said MANUFACTURED weight? If they meant final weight, they would have just said "weight has to be under 50oz at all times."

They weren't imagining stripped AR lower pistols when they wrote the law.

Just playing devil's advocate here.

But isn't the issue that UNSAFE banned semi auto detachable mag pistols if the mag is outside the grip?

So it still needs to be a fixed mag lower right? Or a pump action lower etc.

Posted: 8/9/2017 11:04:26 AM EDT

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I'm pretty interested in this myself. I was also trying to find a work around of the 50oz limit but i guess fixing the mad (stupid but whatever) makes this all possible.

Has anyone actually made an AR pistol under 50oz with detachable mag?

Tag for updates.

Posted: 8/9/2017 11:13:44 AM EDT

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I'm pretty interested in this myself. I was also trying to find a work around of the 50oz limit but i guess fixing the mad (stupid but whatever) makes this all possible.

Has anyone actually made an AR pistol under 50oz with detachable mag?

Tag for updates.

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if it is a pistol that accepts a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, its an AW. The weight limit does not matter. Fixed mag, or NY-10 lower are your options. The guy that makes the NY-10 lowers was working on an upper that took a stripper clip but I am not sure where he is what that project.

Posted: 8/9/2017 11:58:30 AM EDT

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if it is a pistol that accepts a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, its an AW. The weight limit does not matter. Fixed mag, or NY-10 lower are your options. The guy that makes the NY-10 lowers was working on an upper that took a stripper clip but I am not sure where he is what that project.

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Got it. Looks like its fixed mag.