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Posted: 4/24/2016 12:47:15 PM EDT
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Not sure it is worth messing with your gun to make it N.Y. compliant.
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Posted: 4/24/2016 1:05:42 PM EDT
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I appreciate the offer. But, I'm looking to test & record the real world ballistic characteristics of my two uppers at measured distances. And dial in an RS64 on one of the uppers. I ordered a "stub" pistol grip to cosmetically make the rifle a step closer to legal. At least look more compliant. We've owned and used the property for over half a century, 20 minutes up a mountain on a logging road near Downsville, NY. I've been researching what is and isn't legal and without getting into the absurdity of it all. I figured this black rifle crowd would be pretty current on the situation.
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Posted: 4/24/2016 1:36:11 PM EDT
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Okay. Then it requires your semi-automatic rifle with a detachable magazine have no additional evil features. No pistol grip. No Flash Hider or Muzzle Brake. No adjustable stock. No magazines greater than 10 rounds. No Fore Grip. No threaded Barrel.
If you choose to not comply with the law and use your non-compliant rifle as is you will be arrested if you have any contact with law enforcement at any point in N.Y. You will end up with more felony charges than you can count. Every evil feature is a d felony (same as kidnapping or rape of a child under 12) and 3 d felony make 1 c felony (10-20 years in prison). Every 30 round magazine is a d felony and it is an additional d felony if it is loaded. All felonies are charged consecutively not concurrently. If you had 30 magazines that would be 30 d felonies or 10 c felonies (100-200 years in prison). If they were loaded then that would be 60 d felonies or 20 c felonies (200-400 years in prison). N.Y.S. police will enforce the SAFE act and will ruin your life if they catch you with a non compliant rifle. Local police will most likely also enforce the SAFE act. Good luck and stay free. |
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Posted: 4/24/2016 9:47:18 PM EDT
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Find somewhere else to test your rifle
Have a stock Mini for NYS |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 8:37:40 AM EDT
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Private Property?
Go out, shoot, record your results and do not worry about anything. Play with your different uppers, different grips and any stock you like. Just my thoughts... If I owned property in this state, I would shoot whatever I wanted, and ensure the access road is closed to traffic after I went through. Bill |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 10:28:30 AM EDT
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Private Property? Go out, shoot, record your results and do not worry about anything. Play with your different uppers, different grips and any stock you like. Just my thoughts... If I owned property in this state, I would shoot whatever I wanted, and ensure the access road is closed to traffic after I went through. Bill I like this |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 1:36:17 PM EDT
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Private Property? Go out, shoot, record your results and do not worry about anything. Play with your different uppers, different grips and any stock you like. Just my thoughts... If I owned property in this state, I would shoot whatever I wanted, and ensure the access road is closed to traffic after I went through. Bill I like this Me too |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 2:53:37 PM EDT
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Private Property? Go out, shoot, record your results and do not worry about anything. Play with your different uppers, different grips and any stock you like. Just my thoughts... If I owned property in this state, I would shoot whatever I wanted, and ensure the access road is closed to traffic after I went through. Bill I like this Me too Not me, Ive had troopers walk up a mountain on private property to find a group of us having fun years before SAFE, nothing came of it but they will take a walk. 2-3 Years ago I found a trooper in the driveway of the cabin in the Catskills. I had been up sighting in a bolt gun..1-2 rounds every 2-3 minutes or so for 20-30 minutes. Some recent NYC transplant freaked out and called it in. The trooper laughed and responded "people shoot up here, its what they do" but he was board so he decided to find me. Was a nice enough guy and we chatted for a while but private property wont stop someone from checking out whats up. |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 4:24:59 PM EDT
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Private Property? Go out, shoot, record your results and do not worry about anything. Play with your different uppers, different grips and any stock you like. Just my thoughts... If I owned property in this state, I would shoot whatever I wanted, and ensure the access road is closed to traffic after I went through. Bill I like this Me too What about the airspace around the property? |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 5:07:27 PM EDT
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Not me, Ive had troopers walk up a mountain on private property to find a group of us having fun years before SAFE, nothing came of it but they will take a walk. 2-3 Years ago I found a trooper in the driveway of the cabin in the Catskills. I had been up sighting in a bolt gun..1-2 rounds every 2-3 minutes or so for 20-30 minutes. Some recent NYC transplant freaked out and called it in. The trooper laughed and responded "people shoot up here, its what they do" but he was board so he decided to find me. Was a nice enough guy and we chatted for a while but private property wont stop someone from checking out whats up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Private Property? Go out, shoot, record your results and do not worry about anything. Play with your different uppers, different grips and any stock you like. Just my thoughts... If I owned property in this state, I would shoot whatever I wanted, and ensure the access road is closed to traffic after I went through. Bill I like this Me too Not me, Ive had troopers walk up a mountain on private property to find a group of us having fun years before SAFE, nothing came of it but they will take a walk. 2-3 Years ago I found a trooper in the driveway of the cabin in the Catskills. I had been up sighting in a bolt gun..1-2 rounds every 2-3 minutes or so for 20-30 minutes. Some recent NYC transplant freaked out and called it in. The trooper laughed and responded "people shoot up here, its what they do" but he was board so he decided to find me. Was a nice enough guy and we chatted for a while but private property wont stop someone from checking out whats up. So which amendment would this fall under? |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 5:49:23 PM EDT
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Not sure it is worth messing with your gun to make it N.Y. compliant. Why bother they'll probably make the rules more strict in the near future |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 8:34:33 PM EDT
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Journalists got wise to our hatred for non Team Members?
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Posted: 4/29/2016 9:28:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Private Property? Go out, shoot, record your results and do not worry about anything. Play with your different uppers, different grips and any stock you like. Just my thoughts... If I owned property in this state, I would shoot whatever I wanted, and ensure the access road is closed to traffic after I went through. Bill |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 9:34:06 AM EDT
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Quoted: Looking for the latest word on what I have to do to my Les Baer/Palafox AR15 to have it legal to dial in & shoot with at my hunting camp in the Catskills, NY. Thanks ... |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 2:24:30 PM EDT
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Private Property? Go out, shoot, record your results and do not worry about anything. Play with your different uppers, different grips and any stock you like. Just my thoughts... If I owned property in this state, I would shoot whatever I wanted, and ensure the access road is closed to traffic after I went through. Bill I like this Me too What about the airspace around the property? Umm... it's called a Modern Sporting Burqa. How can you be so, like, culturally insensitive and stuff?!? |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 1:41:52 PM EDT
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Do what the rest of us are doing, NOTHING! Take it as is to camp, and enjoy! SCREW Cuomo and his laws!
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Posted: 4/30/2016 4:48:25 PM EDT
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I appreciate the offer. But, I'm looking to test & record the real world ballistic characteristics of my two uppers at measured distances. And dial in an RS64 on one of the uppers. I ordered a "stub" pistol grip to cosmetically make the rifle a step closer to legal. At least look more compliant. We've owned and used the property for over half a century, 20 minutes up a mountain on a logging road near Downsville, NY. I've been researching what is and isn't legal and without getting into the absurdity of it all. I figured this black rifle crowd would be pretty current on the situation. I'm in a similar boat. Not familiar with NY laws but, perhaps to guide the conversation, wouldn't any two uppers an scr lower be NY legal? If so, it'll run you about $600 to test your uppers. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 4:51:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do what the rest of us are doing, NOTHING! Take it as is to camp, and enjoy! SCREW Cuomo and his laws! |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 5:37:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm in a similar boat. Not familiar with NY laws but, perhaps to guide the conversation, wouldn't any two uppers an scr lower be NY legal? If so, it'll run you about $600 to test your uppers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I appreciate the offer. But, I'm looking to test & record the real world ballistic characteristics of my two uppers at measured distances. And dial in an RS64 on one of the uppers. I ordered a "stub" pistol grip to cosmetically make the rifle a step closer to legal. At least look more compliant. We've owned and used the property for over half a century, 20 minutes up a mountain on a logging road near Downsville, NY. I've been researching what is and isn't legal and without getting into the absurdity of it all. I figured this black rifle crowd would be pretty current on the situation. I'm in a similar boat. Not familiar with NY laws but, perhaps to guide the conversation, wouldn't any two uppers an scr lower be NY legal? If so, it'll run you about $600 to test your uppers. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 5:39:24 PM EDT
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So the real question is, if the 10 round mag is fixed, is that all that needs to be done to make it compliant?
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Posted: 5/1/2016 6:25:47 PM EDT
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So the real question is, if the 10 round mag is fixed, is that all that needs to be done to make it compliant? Til NYS follows CA and wants to ban anything that's semiauto |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 6:36:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the real question is, if the 10 round mag is fixed, is that all that needs to be done to make it compliant? |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 10:37:13 PM EDT
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Private Property? Go out, shoot, record your results and do not worry about anything. Play with your different uppers, different grips and any stock you like. Just my thoughts... If I owned property in this state, I would shoot whatever I wanted, and ensure the access road is closed to traffic after I went through. Bill I like this Me too What about the airspace around the property? 
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:28:30 PM EDT
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There's a lot of tough guy Tom Foolery going on here.
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Posted: 5/3/2016 4:15:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/3/2016 5:11:38 PM EDT
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There's a lot of tough guy Tom Foolery going on here. That Tom guy moved south already. |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 6:30:41 PM EDT
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So the real question is, if the 10 round mag is fixed, is that all that needs to be done to make it compliant? With the right tools and know-how, nothing is permanent. |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 8:36:05 PM EDT
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So the real question is, if the 10 round mag is fixed, is that all that needs to be done to make it compliant? With the right tools and know-how, nothing is permanent. Considering what a lower costs you dont even need the right tools 
I think I just got an idea 
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Posted: 5/3/2016 8:37:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With the right tools and know-how, nothing is permanent. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So the real question is, if the 10 round mag is fixed, is that all that needs to be done to make it compliant? With the right tools and know-how, nothing is permanent. |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 9:56:09 PM EDT
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So the real question is, if the 10 round mag is fixed, is that all that needs to be done to make it compliant? With the right tools and know-how, nothing is permanent. Probaby. 
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Posted: 5/6/2016 11:46:09 AM EDT
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I bought a "Receiver Spur," which had some decent reviews, to make the rifle "more legal." Looks like my Les Baer target upper (unthreaded) would be legal, but the Palafox carbon fiber barreled upper (threaded) will be impossible to make legal. (without pin/weld ... which ain't happening) Apparently there is no way for a non-resident, even a property owning non-resident, to even register an evil rifle in NY. And of course have been reading more and more about this NY law and how nefarious and convoluted it is. Hopefully, if the latest corruption probe jails enough of the NY liberals, the law might be modified. Apparently there are over a million "Evil" rifles with something like 40,000 having been registered. Typically, we have a whole new group of law abiding, innocent felons out there via a politicians sweep of a pen.
Anyway ... The "AR-15 Receiver Spur" is just dreadful. Fohgettabout anything you learned about your strong hand and your grip. I'm about to order the FRS-15 stock to see how that performs. |
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Posted: 5/6/2016 11:59:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bought a "Receiver Spur," which had some decent reviews, to make the rifle "more legal." Looks like my Les Baer target upper (unthreaded) would be legal, but the Palafox carbon fiber barreled upper (threaded) will be impossible to make legal. (without pin/weld ... which ain't happening) Apparently there is no way for a non-resident, even a property owning non-resident, to even register an evil rifle in NY. And of course have been reading more and more about this NY law and how nefarious and convoluted it is. Hopefully, if the latest corruption probe jails enough of the NY liberals, the law might be modified. Apparently there are over a million "Evil" rifles with something like 40,000 having been registered. Typically, we have a whole new group of law abiding, innocent felons out there via a politicians sweep of a pen. Anyway ... The "AR-15 Receiver Spur" is just dreadful. Fohgettabout anything you learned about your strong hand and your grip. I'm about to order the FRS-15 stock to see how that performs.  |
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Posted: 5/6/2016 1:13:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:. Hopefully, if the latest corruption probe jails enough of the NY liberals, the law might be modified. . It won't. |
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Posted: 5/6/2016 1:23:13 PM EDT
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Buy a Saiga or Mini-14.
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Posted: 5/6/2016 1:33:25 PM EDT
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Well, apparently they don't make an FRS15 for a rifle length (A2) buffer tube... only for carbine length tubes.
The issue with the Receiver Stub isn't so much the looks (which are poor) but with the inability to control the rifle with your strong or trigger hand. Nothing to "grip" be the gripe. |
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Posted: 5/6/2016 2:22:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully, if the latest corruption probe jails enough of the NY liberals, the law might be modified. |
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Posted: 5/6/2016 5:10:03 PM EDT
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Buy a Saiga or Mini-14. Ares SCR |
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Posted: 5/6/2016 7:02:44 PM EDT
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Try a Monsterman Grip
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Posted: 5/7/2016 8:56:53 AM EDT
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Yeah, saw that Monsterman Grip the other day. Looks majorly ugly to my eye. Hard to believe the FRS actually looked better than something ... LOL
Question: Can a rifle length buffer tube be changed to a carbine length without consequences to the function of the rifle? I would assume there is no "travel" issue, possibly only a different spring to produce the same resistance? |
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Posted: 5/7/2016 10:09:47 AM EDT
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... LOLQuestion: Can a rifle length buffer tube be changed to a carbine length without consequences to the function of the rifle? I would assume there is no "travel" issue, possibly only a different spring to produce the same resistance? Here's one persons unscientific experience: Before unSAFE, I changed out the full rifle size butt and tube on a preban carbine but not the spring and buffer. The only issue I had was if I used the bolt hold open lever on an empty gun, the bolt had a tendency to fly forward anyway after it sat for a couple of minutes. Presumably the rifle length spring being overcompressed in a carbine buffer tube. Changed the spring and buffer out to a carbine size and the problem went away and everything ran great.. |
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Posted: 5/7/2016 10:24:26 AM EDT
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Thank you ... I assumed a new spring would be required. Possibly the buffer itself. Glad to hear my existing buffer will likely still work.
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Posted: 5/7/2016 1:44:02 PM EDT
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Yeah, saw that Monsterman Grip the other day. Looks majorly ugly to my eye. Hard to believe the FRS actually looked better than something ... LOL Question: Can a rifle length buffer tube be changed to a carbine length without consequences to the function of the rifle? I would assume there is no "travel" issue, possibly only a different spring to produce the same resistance? yes, new tube spring and weight. |
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Posted: 5/7/2016 1:45:03 PM EDT
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Thank you ... I assumed a new spring would be required. Possibly the buffer itself. Glad to hear my existing buffer will likely still work. 25 bucks http://www.primaryarms.com/am-21-buffer-kit/p/am-21-buffer-kit/ |
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