Guys,

I broke my own rule and watched Zero's press conference.

Lots of stuff has been running through my mind, but just a few minutes ago I started thinking, "What if those dipshits get another assault weapons ban?"

Then I thought about all those poor bastards here and in CT who registered their rifles.

Just letting my thoughts run wild a little.

Crazy thoughts?

This is precisely why leaving NYS hasn't been a priority for me.  

I realize NYS type bans WILL eventually be enacted federally.  Running only buys a little bit of time.

But what form would the ban take this time?

No grandfathering?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2015/10/02/obama-australia-gun-law_n_8230240.html



And as of 2014...



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Australia#Port_Arthur_massacre_and_its_consequences

Good thing we have courts that defend our constitutionally protected rights...

Based on NY's compliance rate I'd think the free states would find a way to make compliance rates show in the negative digits.  

It would really suck if they are successful
Leaving NYS has been my escape plan post-retirement for a variety of reasons, the gun issue being a big one

I was just placing my weekly ammo orders and I think I doubled up on just about everything I wanted just because of the news conference today.....

We keep looking at the legislative side of things, but an AWB or removal of all AWBs are going to be decided within the next 5 years by the courts. I'm not worried about Obama at this point other than his and the next president's ability to appoint judges.

and nobody is talking about the fact that the shooter had all the time in the world to ask his victims questions before he shot them as he knew he was safe in a GUN FREE ZONE


ETA

I need a bumper sticker that says "Guns don't kill people, Gun FREE zones do!"

Gun control is cancer of the constitution fellas, just a matter of time before it takes hold in places you would not believe.  

Freedom of religion has been torn up pretty badly over the years, just a matter of time till its snuffed out.

IIRC, in Oregon students can legally carry on campus.  Not that I expect them to but I believe they had the right if they chose to exercise it.  Quite possible many might start carrying assuming Oregon does not decide to make campuses Gun Free zones.



With regards to a federal ban.  If they do go ahead and do something along the lines of Australia, there really will not be much you can do except comply.  You will have in your possession something that is legal nowhere in the United States and being caught would land you in the federal prison system.  You wouldn't be able to shoot it or take it anywhere you might be seen.  At least with the state bans, you still have the option of out-of-state storage.  Hopefully we will get a final court ruling so that we know one way or another where things stand.  IMHO, it beats this big question mark hanging over all of us.



 

If they do that, there will be violence on an unimaginable scale. The authorities cannot even contain the BLM movement, imagine this on a scale that is thousands of times bigger?

The School has its own policy.  granted its unenforceable from a legal standpoint.  Basically if they know all they can do is ask you to leave as its "private property"

but again, concealed carry is CONCEALED.... so if your doing it right, nobody knows...

I highly suspect and expect that those who have banned weapons have them sequestered for that "rainy day" when all bets are off.
The thing I really enjoy about "conspiracies" is they challenge what most consider as the norm, exploring alternate possibilities.  For the most part they're no different that say Science Fiction; look at what was considered "Science Fact" or physically impossible just fifty years ago against what is accepted fact today. If you want to look at the Historical enactment of Gun Laws and Government intrusion you could hearken back to the Sullivan Law of NYS, the National Firearms Act of 1934, or even the Gun Control Act of 1968: those are ALL examples of "necessity" in the time of great tragedy.
"Just because you think they're out to get you doesn't mean they aren't."  
I've found the heavy-duty wrap Sam's Club sells holds up better than the cheap stuff; Adjust accordingly.  

There's still our high tax issue, My wife and I are looking at options after retirement.

I get that, and it's a perfectly valid reason.

I'm strictly speaking about guns, because this is a gun forum and many people have left because of the safe act (I was soooo close to being one of them as well).

Yawn, molon labe.  This world is only going to become more corrupt, more tyrannical.

I believe those in positions of power already know this and also know they're too big to jail, which leads to further corruption.
"Man is only good in fear of social reprisal."  

Maybe. Maybe not.

Just thinking out loud here, but in many states I could see them telling the Feds to get fucked. Look at what a lot of states are doing with marijuana legalization. The Feds could technically swoop in and cause all kinds of trouble in those states, but so far they haven't. I'm not saying they wouldn't try, but a couple of high profile incidents like the Bundy ranch and things could get interesting.

On the other hand...who knows, maybe everyone would just roll over for it. Strange times we live in.

Judging by human nature if one or two decide to "hold ground" then other see, realize, and eventually jump in.
The Bundy Ranch case was a prime example, but one must realize there's a different mind-set to folks in varying regions: would something like that happen in NY? I say no, not likely and the likely part rationalizes the Western part of the State.
Secretly a good many wish for an armed confrontation to exert their masculinity. to settle the score, to win back our lost/taken Rights, but I say unequivocally that day is one we should pray to God never comes.  Get involved locally then move up the pyramid to the top!

If an outright confiscation is implemented, folks will start shooting. In NY as well as elsewhere. It will start a new civil war. Like I've said previously, BLM people caused havoc throughout the country and had scared cops into not acting even when necessary. A few were murdered. Imagine when the 2nd Amendment folks who are defending the Constitution rise up? There won't be enough cops willing to conduct the raids, some out of fear, some because they are on our side. Judges, DAs, politicians will all become a target. If will bet nasty and bloody.

Probably true, but I think there are many politicians that would also like to see a confrontation to exert their power and show those nutty gun lovers "who's boss"


Agree 100%. The reaction on both sides of the coin would quickly ratchet up to a level of ugliness that this country hasn't seen in many years.

And what happens when a local DA, Sheriff or hell, even a state AG or governor decide not to play ball with the Feds. Then you could end up with a local government that, if not directly involved in standing up to the Feds, is staying out of the way and offering no support to them which would provide some of level of unofficial approval for resistance. That is sort of what some of these liberal politicians have done with the BLM crowd by just staying out of it all together, offering no condemnation for the outcomes of their actions. I'm no lawyer, but I believe that's called tacit approval...

Would it happen here in NY? I don't know this state well enough to say. But as a southerner I can say there are many parts of this nation where I think things could go sideways in a hurry. Which goes back to the point of what would happen with confiscation...there's just no way to tell how people, circumstances and events will collide. Which is why this is all so perilous to contemplate.

Right even though ny passed the UNSAFE act have you seen major raids to take weapons from people .. Nope.

if the numbnuts attempt it you will see people up rise. Americans are thought inside and outside of this country of being stupid and lazy. We are to a point until you piss them off than its all hell brakes loose. The Japaneses thought we were a push over and they found out when you awaken a sleeping giant you feel the wrath.  

If the clown in the oval thinks he will be able to call out the mil to suppress the people.. He will be very surprised when they turn on him.

My son just graduated last month from boot camp down in Fort Benning Ga. What i saw what they instill in to the recruits of how the military was formed and why.

Along with defending the Constitution.

Our soldiers are a lot smarter than you think in regards to our Country.

Big O is hated by the mil period and if you think not your dead wrong.

There is a major under current in this country that the politicians don't get from either party.  I travel a lot for my employer and its not jut out west or south but you hear the dissatisfaction with where in this country is going.  You are starting to see within the Republican party. Speaker of the house gone. You will see more go people have had it. The Dems are in the same boat. Look at the top contenders on the Republican side all outsiders. The Dems really don't have good candidate.. Heck they are trying to make jackass Joe Biden run due to the mess up of Hitler if he does run people will be reminder how stupid he really is and will mess again on the campaign trail.  

In our history we go through the swings of going too much right than too much left and usually swing back to the middle either with a little left or right leaning, but this country soul is middle of the road. Even with 60 years of liberal teaching in the school systems.

As a Long Islander in the shadow of NYC, my perspective is quite different from a southerner or someone from upstate New York.  Just remember that the bulk of the SAFE act registrations were from Nassau and Suffolk Counties.  I have little doubt that people here will comply with a confiscation order and if they don't, neighbors who know that they have contraband will turn them in.  Granted there has been no mass confiscation since the SAFE act was passed but that is because no law or directive has been passed ordering a confiscation (yet).  The only confiscations I have read about in the news have been in relation to crimes where the person involved in the crime has registered weapons which are removed from the home.  They would have done it anyhow but the database at least gives a heads up of what to look for.



In terms of people standing up to confiscation or LEO/military not getting involved, I just look at New Orleans after Katrina.  There were plenty of LE folks willing to do the job and no resistance was offered (recall they smacked around an elderly woman on camera and took her handgun).  Suppose, in the future the mayor or governor, depending on where you are, issues an order that all weapons be confiscated.  One can argue that is unconstitutional but as with New Orleans, that will be determined by a court way after the deed has already been done.  If local law enforcement will not cooperate (no doubt that NCPD and SCPD will) then you take a page from the Chinese and Tiananmen Square: you bring personnel in from another part of the country with no ties to the local populace.  I am sure there are some southerners who would love another crack at the north, especially for all the lousy anti-gun politicians we send to congress.  They probably look at Long Island as nothing but a compound full of Schumer supporters.



Finally, I do not think the federal government would go for immediate confiscation.  After Sandy Hook, DiFi pushed an AWB that would have converted all defined weapons to NFA status and required registration.  That is the tactic I think they would use first.  Get them all on the books and then at a later date move to eliminate them, most likely by reclassifying small subsets of various models as prohibited and doing that again and again over time.  People will probably feel compelled to comply, like they did in the 1930's, because the penalties for not complying will be extremely harsh.

This from Gabe Saurez

In other states you can acquire handguns and long guns legally that aren't easily trcked like they are in NY.  In many states, you can buy a handgun with cash and a handshake from another individual - hard for the government to know who and where to confiscate unlike NY where everything is registered first.  

Obummer is flying out to Oregon to grandstand at the site of the shooting on Thursday.  Expect his edicts to be read aloud at that time and for the next panic to start up

Well, the last set of edicts gave us the Hollis lawsuit, might as well see what he comes up with this time...

Since when did government work by "If we can't agree on something, f*ck it, I'll just decide myself."