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Posted: 6/26/2015 4:31:58 PM EDT
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damned you're fast.
At a million dollars a day, I hope it saved the tax payers some money for reincarceration costs. |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 4:33:36 PM EDT
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Just got word that Sweet is in a shootout with the cops right now
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Posted: 6/26/2015 4:36:25 PM EDT
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damned you're fast. Evidently not fast enough. I just saw that someone in GD beat me by a couple minutes. 
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Posted: 6/26/2015 4:45:05 PM EDT
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Hmmm. 20 mil or so to hunt them down. How much for the next 25 years in the tank for two or now one?
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Posted: 6/26/2015 5:02:25 PM EDT
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Hmmm. 20 mil or so to hunt them down. How much for the next 25 years in the tank for two or now one? There's still going to be at least two: Mitchell and Palmer |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 5:12:04 PM EDT
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Yep one gone. foxnews link
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Posted: 6/26/2015 5:22:18 PM EDT
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Good.
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Posted: 6/26/2015 5:57:20 PM EDT
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Hmmm. 20 mil or so to hunt them down. How much for the next 25 years in the tank for two or now one? There's still going to be at least two: Mitchell and Palmer aww damn, so much for my taxes going down.
I'm sure in 2 months the governor will be cutting Corrections (and everyone's) OT to balance the budget for this fuckup. |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 6:29:47 PM EDT
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Dude was shot 9 times escaping a Mexican prison and lived. American Marksmanship at it's finest. CBP!
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Posted: 6/28/2015 12:24:00 AM EDT
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Richard Matt, wounded and "may be dead" Location: Lake Titus, NY Edited for correction. Not sure if dead. He's a good inmate now. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:59:17 AM EDT
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How many millions to kill one guy?
Guess we have a surplus of money in the state, or not a single other problem needing a solution. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 11:13:29 AM EDT
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How many millions to kill one guy? Guess we have a surplus of money in the state, or not a single other problem needing a solution. Please explain mr. expert how law enforcement should have handled this ? |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 11:37:31 AM EDT
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Please explain mr. expert how law enforcement should have handled this ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How many millions to kill one guy? Guess we have a surplus of money in the state, or not a single other problem needing a solution. Please explain mr. expert how law enforcement should have handled this ? More like how the governor and his superintendent should have handled it. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 12:25:02 PM EDT
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Please explain mr. expert how law enforcement should have handled this ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How many millions to kill one guy? Guess we have a surplus of money in the state, or not a single other problem needing a solution. Please explain mr. expert how law enforcement should have handled this ? Protect any people that may be targets by them, and just wait for them to fuck up. They always fuck up. The boston bomber was found by a resident, not by roving foot soldiers bouncing around the city like idiots. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 4:03:25 PM EDT
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Protect any people that may be targets by them, and just wait for them to fuck up. They always fuck up. The boston bomber was found by a resident, not by roving foot soldiers bouncing around the city like idiots. They didn't originally have any idea WHERE these guys were in order to "protect people who may be targets" as you suggest That means that you have to go out and beat the brush looking for them. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 4:17:52 PM EDT
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Reporting that Sweat has been shot near Constable, NY.
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Posted: 6/28/2015 4:31:20 PM EDT
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Would have helped if the nysp superintendent & his staff were from upstate, central or west ny. Know the terrain and people. Most of the NYSP business is really north of NYC.
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Posted: 6/28/2015 5:54:30 PM EDT
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They didn't originally have any idea WHERE these guys were in order to "protect people who may be targets" as you suggest That means that you have to go out and beat the brush looking for them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Protect any people that may be targets by them, and just wait for them to fuck up. They always fuck up. The boston bomber was found by a resident, not by roving foot soldiers bouncing around the city like idiots. They didn't originally have any idea WHERE these guys were in order to "protect people who may be targets" as you suggest That means that you have to go out and beat the brush looking for them. Not that I care but how did they know WHERE to beat brush? |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 6:12:39 PM EDT
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Would have helped if the nysp superintendent & his staff were from upstate, central or west ny. Know the terrain and people. Most of the NYSP business is really north of NYC. Having lived through the hellmira prison escape and the bucky Phillips ordeal I can tell you most locals weren't favorable towards the police presence. Also most Nysp didn't seem to be favorable dealing with us hillbillies. I remember sitting at checkpoints and hearing people honking at cops and just down right pissed off. The longer these things go on, the less the people favor the police. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 6:35:41 PM EDT
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Not that I care but how did they know WHERE to beat brush? They had no specific location til the first sighting days later That's why they were sending officers so many places |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 6:40:46 PM EDT
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Not that I care but how did they know WHERE to beat brush? They had no specific location til the first sighting days later That's why they were sending officers so many places So by reasoning they could have just waited for them to mess up as suggested, as they didn't know WHERE to put protection or beat bushes? Edit: I just ask because they were looking around my town because of a sighting. I'm hours away. Seems like a waste of resources. I agree with beating bushes close to prison as one would expect they were on foot and close by. But searching at the edge of nys seems foolish to me. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 6:56:58 PM EDT
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So by reasoning they could have just waited for them to mess up as suggested, as they didn't know WHERE to put protection or beat bushes? Edit: I just ask because they were looking around my town because of a sighting. I'm hours away. Seems like a waste of resources. I agree with beating bushes close to prison as one would expect they were on foot and close by. But searching at the edge of nys seems foolish to me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not that I care but how did they know WHERE to beat brush? They had no specific location til the first sighting days later That's why they were sending officers so many places So by reasoning they could have just waited for them to mess up as suggested, as they didn't know WHERE to put protection or beat bushes? Edit: I just ask because they were looking around my town because of a sighting. I'm hours away. Seems like a waste of resources. I agree with beating bushes close to prison as one would expect they were on foot and close by. But searching at the edge of nys seems foolish to me. We had sightings too. Nature of the business They can't afford to wait around for them to pop up out of whatever gopher hole they go down |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 7:02:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2015 7:09:15 PM EDT
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Article on the second escapee read: "An officer spotted the suspect then fired as the suspect fled."
I guess we are all lucky the suspect was indeed the escaped prisoner and not some other person. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 7:12:54 PM EDT
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We had sightings too. Nature of the business They can't afford to wait around for them to pop up out of whatever gopher hole they go down Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not that I care but how did they know WHERE to beat brush? They had no specific location til the first sighting days later That's why they were sending officers so many places So by reasoning they could have just waited for them to mess up as suggested, as they didn't know WHERE to put protection or beat bushes? Edit: I just ask because they were looking around my town because of a sighting. I'm hours away. Seems like a waste of resources. I agree with beating bushes close to prison as one would expect they were on foot and close by. But searching at the edge of nys seems foolish to me. We had sightings too. Nature of the business They can't afford to wait around for them to pop up out of whatever gopher hole they go down I agree in the first 48 hours. After that I would assume one of two things. They are either long gone or on foot and stuck locally. Not bouncing around the state at all corners after two weeks. I guess we can just agree to disagree. Either way, it ended well with no civilians hurt because of nys inability to keep convicted murders behind bars. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 7:36:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would have helped if the nysp superintendent & his staff were from upstate, central or west ny. Know the terrain and people. Most of the NYSP business is really north of NYC. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 8:21:24 PM EDT
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I'm sorry but these threads give me a headache.
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Posted: 6/28/2015 8:22:11 PM EDT
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The only NYSP I ever see are Troop L patrolling the parkways here on Long Island. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would have helped if the nysp superintendent & his staff were from upstate, central or west ny. Know the terrain and people. Most of the NYSP business is really north of NYC. It took the guys in green to lead the DOCS drive thru the woods. That's who flushed him out to the road. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 8:47:40 PM EDT
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Would have helped if the nysp superintendent & his staff were from upstate, central or west ny. Know the terrain and people. Most of the NYSP business is really north of NYC. Why? Were they out in the woods looking for them? |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 8:53:49 PM EDT
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I'm sorry but these threads give me a headache. ^^^^ 
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Posted: 6/29/2015 12:33:57 AM EDT
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Maybe I'm wrong, quite possible, but the present superintendent and his close advisors aren't familiar with the upstate region. Maybe it would have helped if the superintendent was not a life long urban officer? Up here trooper baraks are pretty much in every town. When I'm down in the city, hardly ever see a trooper, rarely ever. Don't know about Long Island as I never venture farther than "da bx". Whatever, they are both where they belong now so it has ended well.
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Posted: 6/29/2015 8:27:43 AM EDT
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Article on the second escapee read: "An officer spotted the suspect then fired as the suspect fled." I guess we are all lucky the suspect was indeed the escaped prisoner and not some other person. Seriously????? If you live or are in an area where you have been seeing hundreds of police with dogs, helicopters, ATV's, and just about anything else that would help looking for 2 escaped murderers, the story that's been on the news for over three weeks, are you seriously going to break into a dead run from a police officer when he yells at you to stop? That's Darwin level stupid if you do. That'd easily top the Refuse to Comply with check point and the open carry guys who purposely cause an interaction. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 9:28:48 PM EDT
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Trooper neighbor just got home from up north.
He said they were told shoot to kill. He also said Matt was drunk when they found him. But I thought he was sick and that is why sweat left him. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:25:37 AM EDT
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So I understand a Custom and Border Patrol agent was the one that shot Matt on Friday. Has anyone heard mention of his name? I did hear he was from Vermont but
no name . I would think the media would have pushed for this information perhaps for his account of how this went dowm. Then again with cuomo and damico being the information outlet I guess I understand the silence. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:45:06 AM EDT
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Was Matt really shot 3 times in the head? I can t imagine a situation where three shots(to the head) would be required. What was keeping him in an upright position to allow for rounds #2 & 3? After the first round he wouldn't be under his own power... Id like to read that AAR.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:10:46 AM EDT
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Was Matt really shot 3 times in the head? I can t imagine a situation where three shots(to the head) would be required. What was keeping him in an upright position to allow for rounds #2 & 3? After the first round he wouldn't be under his own power... Id like to read that AAR. Practice, practice & practice my young padawan. The force is strong with that CBP agent. Or maybe he can curve his bullets 
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:53:11 AM EDT
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Practice, practice & practice my young padawan. The force is strong with that CBP agent. Or maybe he can curve his bullets Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Was Matt really shot 3 times in the head? I can t imagine a situation where three shots(to the head) would be required. What was keeping him in an upright position to allow for rounds #2 & 3? After the first round he wouldn't be under his own power... Id like to read that AAR. Practice, practice & practice my young padawan. The force is strong with that CBP agent. Or maybe he can curve his bullets Couldn't risk him getting away and making the NYSP look dumb for another 2 weeks. It seems like the guy in PA all over again |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:19:14 PM EDT
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My God, another expert we missed who should've run things.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 1:59:07 PM EDT
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Was Matt really shot 3 times in the head? I can t imagine a situation where three shots(to the head) would be required. What was keeping him in an upright position to allow for rounds #2 & 3? After the first round he wouldn't be under his own power... Id like to read that AAR. He may very well have been lying prone and facing the Border guy. Border guy tells him to freeze, or put his hands up, or whatever. Matt either didn't comply or made a threatening gesture, like he was raising a gun. Border agent opens fire, "boom boom boom." Maybe unloads his mag not knowing for sure if any incapacitating hits were made (since he was already on the ground). Not really that hard to comprehend such a scenario. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 2:00:11 PM EDT
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So how may times a week do you ask yourself why do you bother posting?
I know I do and sometimes I type a post only to just hit the back button instead of submit. 
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Posted: 7/2/2015 9:54:09 PM EDT
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The waste of life, Sweat, is spilling his guts, talking a shit ton of jazz. I wonder how much is actually true?
for the murder he committed, he deserved to be 6 feet under. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 8:21:25 AM EDT
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Without being snarky at all, can anyone in the know cite the law and explain the policy which allowed the Sgt. that shot the second escapee to do so even though he posed no immediate threat to life? Not too long ago, a guy from Orange county was facing major charges for shooting a fugitive dead on his own property. I'm curious as to how an order to "shoot to kill" can or is given as opposed to stopping the threat, which in this case there was none to life, only that he might elude capture once again.
Again, I'm trying to understand the way things actually went down, not start an us vs them debate, bash the Po-lice sidetrack, etc. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 9:03:00 AM EDT
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Without being snarky at all, can anyone in the know cite the law and explain the policy which allowed the Sgt. that shot the second escapee to do so even though he posed no immediate threat to life? Not too long ago, a guy from Orange county was facing major charges for shooting a fugitive dead on his own property. I'm curious as to how an order to "shoot to kill" can or is given as opposed to stopping the threat, which in this case there was none to life, only that he might elude capture once again. Again, I'm trying to understand the way things actually went down, not start an us vs them debate, bash the Po-lice sidetrack, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Without being snarky at all, can anyone in the know cite the law and explain the policy which allowed the Sgt. that shot the second escapee to do so even though he posed no immediate threat to life? Not too long ago, a guy from Orange county was facing major charges for shooting a fugitive dead on his own property. I'm curious as to how an order to "shoot to kill" can or is given as opposed to stopping the threat, which in this case there was none to life, only that he might elude capture once again. Again, I'm trying to understand the way things actually went down, not start an us vs them debate, bash the Po-lice sidetrack, etc. From one of the other concurrent threads Quoted:
For you out of state guys arguing over what you understand about NYS Penal Laws: READ THE PARTS I PUT IN BOLD FOR YOU, THE REST IS IRRELEVANT IN THE SITUATION Penal Law 35.30 1. A police officer or a peace officer, in the course of effecting or attempting to effect an arrest, or of preventing or attempting to prevent the escape from custody, of a person whom he or she reasonably believes to have committed an offense, may use physical force when and to the extent he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to effect the arrest, or to prevent the escape from custody, or in self-defense or to defend a third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of physical force; except that deadly physical force may be used for such purposes only when he or she reasonably believes that: (a) The offense committed by such person was: (i) a felony or an attempt to commit a felony involving the use or attempted use or threatened imminent use of physical force against a person; or (ii) kidnapping, arson, escape in the first degree, burglary in the first degree or any attempt to commit such a crime; or Oh and I suppose I ought to give you another hint; Sweat and Matt committed another felony of Escape in the First degree which they needed to be arrested for.  http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1763065_Breaking__second_escapee_shot_near_Canadian_border.html&page=3 |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 10:07:42 AM EDT
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The law is written taking into account that a murderer escaping is indeed a high risk to the public because they pose a serious risk of murdering again to avoid recapture. Desperate people do desperate things and a murderer has already shown an indifference to life.
It's not like the blues brothers an order coming from some supervisor or elected official to shoot with extreme prejudice. If one of these fine fellows stopped and raised their hands in the air I doubt anyone would have shot them. Ignore an order to stop, drop a weapon, or show your hands then the call is with the arresting officer. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 12:28:01 PM EDT
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Without being snarky at all, can anyone in the know cite the law and explain the policy which allowed the Sgt. that shot the second escapee to do so even though he posed no immediate threat to life? Not too long ago, a guy from Orange county was facing major charges for shooting a fugitive dead on his own property. I'm curious as to how an order to "shoot to kill" can or is given as opposed to stopping the threat, which in this case there was none to life, only that he might elude capture once again. Again, I'm trying to understand the way things actually went down, not start an us vs them debate, bash the Po-lice sidetrack, etc. From one of the other concurrent threads Quoted:
For you out of state guys arguing over what you understand about NYS Penal Laws: READ THE PARTS I PUT IN BOLD FOR YOU, THE REST IS IRRELEVANT IN THE SITUATION Penal Law 35.30 1. A police officer or a peace officer, in the course of effecting or attempting to effect an arrest, or of preventing or attempting to prevent the escape from custody, of a person whom he or she reasonably believes to have committed an offense, may use physical force when and to the extent he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to effect the arrest, or to prevent the escape from custody, or in self-defense or to defend a third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of physical force; except that deadly physical force may be used for such purposes only when he or she reasonably believes that: (a) The offense committed by such person was: (i) a felony or an attempt to commit a felony involving the use or attempted use or threatened imminent use of physical force against a person; or (ii) kidnapping, arson, escape in the first degree, burglary in the first degree or any attempt to commit such a crime; or Oh and I suppose I ought to give you another hint; Sweat and Matt committed another felony of Escape in the First degree which they needed to be arrested for. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1763065_Breaking__second_escapee_shot_near_Canadian_border.html&page=3 Actually , convicted and sentenced murderers are a threat to life ! And I'm pretty sure the other response clearly explained to you that the sgt was 100% correct in his actions as per nys law |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 3:02:41 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info, I'm pretty sure it was up there with the part of 265 where you can shoot someone attempting to commit arson or rape, etc. I just wasn't sure where and figured others might be able to shed some light quicker than I could find it and actually apply it to this situation. It seems to me that the way the law is written, many of the railroad jobs of certain cops with a lack of melanin should never have even been brought to trial based on this(Baez case and many others). I may not be the first person to say this, but if Sweat wasn't white, this might not have turned out so well for the Sgt who shot him in the back. I can just see the headlines of WHITE COP SEEKING REVENGE FOR HIS COP BROTHER'S DEATH COWARDLY SHOOTS UNARMED BLACK MAN IN THE BACK.
Now mind you I don't have a problem with what the Trooper did. I'm not sure I personally could shoot shoot anyone in the back for running away, but I wasn't there so I didn't have to make that choice. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 6:17:55 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info, I'm pretty sure it was up there with the part of 265 where you can shoot someone attempting to commit arson or rape, etc. I just wasn't sure where and figured others might be able to shed some light quicker than I could find it and actually apply it to this situation. It seems to me that the way the law is written, many of the railroad jobs of certain cops with a lack of melanin should never have even been brought to trial based on this(Baez case and many others). I may not be the first person to say this, but if Sweat wasn't white, this might not have turned out so well for the Sgt who shot him in the back. I can just see the headlines of WHITE COP SEEKING REVENGE FOR HIS COP BROTHER'S DEATH COWARDLY SHOOTS UNARMED BLACK MAN IN THE BACK. Now mind you I don't have a problem with what the Trooper did. I'm not sure I personally could shoot shoot anyone in the back for running away, but I wasn't there so I didn't have to make that choice. The last part would go against every part of the rules of engagement that was drilled into me. Different story in domestic situations I guess |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 3:49:24 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info, I'm pretty sure it was up there with the part of 265 where you can shoot someone attempting to commit arson or rape, etc. I just wasn't sure where and figured others might be able to shed some light quicker than I could find it and actually apply it to this situation. It seems to me that the way the law is written, many of the railroad jobs of certain cops with a lack of melanin should never have even been brought to trial based on this(Baez case and many others). I may not be the first person to say this, but if Sweat wasn't white, this might not have turned out so well for the Sgt who shot him in the back. I can just see the headlines of WHITE COP SEEKING REVENGE FOR HIS COP BROTHER'S DEATH COWARDLY SHOOTS UNARMED BLACK MAN IN THE BACK. Now mind you I don't have a problem with what the Trooper did. I'm not sure I personally could shoot shoot anyone in the back for running away, but I wasn't there so I didn't have to make that choice. You may be right re the race thing but I tend to doubt it when they're convicted and put away already. Then again they have school teachers having their children write letters of support to convicted cop killers. 
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