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Posted: 2/26/2015 3:46:56 PM EDT
In a memo obtained by Capital New York,
Cuomo officials announced that mass purging of email records is beginning across several state government agencies. The timing of the announcement, which followed through on a 2013 proposal, is worth noting: The large-scale destruction of state documents will be happening in the middle of a sprawling federal investigation of public corruption in Albany. That investigation has been looking at state legislators and the Cuomo Administration. http://www.ibtimes.com/amid-federal-corruption-probe-andrew-cuomo-administration-purges-state-government-1828824 Hello, Preet, where are you? |
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FUAC. Maybe you can hide your dirt from Bahaara, but God sees everything you do, you filthly little prick.
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Hey it worked for the IRS, apparently this is the new Democrap play book.
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I wonder if there is ANYTHING Cuomo can do to piss off Bharara more.
Dissolve Moorland. Interfere with Moorland investigation. Claim that Bharara is on a witch hunt. Claim ignorance of Silver's corruption. Dummy up about the book deal. Destroy evidence. Cuomo just keeps giving Bharara the big "up yours!" He better hope he hides every shred of evidence. |
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Cuomo said this has been SOP for emails for quite some time. I work for the state. I have emails that are 8 years old. They have never purged emails in my agnecy. Now I have to move the old emails that I want to save to a special folder to save them. That will add more time when I'm searching for information
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but but but the state has been harping on the mandatory email backup requirements despite tossing out working systems and switching over to another F'd up email system that sucks butt cheeks.
I guess it's more do as I say not as I do. |
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I also have to think Bharara either can stop this purge or already has the emails anyway.
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but but but the state has been harping on the mandatory email backup requirements despite tossing out working systems and switching over to another F'd up email system that sucks butt cheeks. I guess it's more do as I say not as I do. You must be a state worker also shhh you trying to get me lynched? |
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Company I work for used to not have an email retention policy. Now it's 1 year, that started a couple years ago. We have 3 and 7 year storage areas that we can store them in, but, hell, in IT, if it's more than a year old, I don't need it. Kinda like saving utilities for Windows 95.
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Quoted: FUAC. Maybe you can hide your dirt from Bahaara, but God sees everything you do, you filthly little prick. View Quote |
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I wonder if there is ANYTHING Cuomo can do to piss off Bharara more. Dissolve Moorland. Interfere with Moorland investigation. Claim that Bharara is on a witch hunt. Claim ignorance of Silver's corruption. Dummy up about the book deal. Destroy evidence. Cuomo just keeps giving Bharara the big "up yours!" He better hope he hides every shred of evidence. View Quote Remember the first paragraph in the Democratic Playbook is "Admit nothing, Deny everything, make counter accusations." Worked for slick-willy didn't it. Good luck completely eliminating all those e-mails....perhaps a copy can be subpoenaed from the NSA (after all, they're recording EVERYTHING) "The wicked flee when none pursue." |
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but but but the state has been harping on the mandatory email backup requirements despite tossing out working systems and switching over to another F'd up email system that sucks butt cheeks. I guess it's more do as I say not as I do. View Quote I business there are heavy fines and penalties for not backing up and saving correspondence be it e-mails, memo's, letters, etc. BUT those are to make it easier for investigators to see what's been going on....now just why do you think Cuomo's henchmen are deleting these? |
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What's transparent here is the corruption permeating this Administration. In light of what's going on all around him, Cuomo's blatantly incriminating act of shredding everything is difficult to rationalize.
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Company I work for used to not have an email retention policy. Now it's 1 year, that started a couple years ago. We have 3 and 7 year storage areas that we can store them in, but, hell, in IT, if it's more than a year old, I don't need it. Kinda like saving utilities for Windows 95. View Quote Legacy systems bro! Can't stress the common occurrence of a Windows NT / 2000 system on a machine in a factory. I usually just kind of state and think " how old was I when they set these up??" |
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FUAC is becoming more like Nixon by the day. I hope with the same results.
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Legacy systems bro! Can't stress the common occurrence of a Windows NT / 2000 system on a machine in a factory. I usually just kind of state and think " how old was I when they set these up??" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Company I work for used to not have an email retention policy. Now it's 1 year, that started a couple years ago. We have 3 and 7 year storage areas that we can store them in, but, hell, in IT, if it's more than a year old, I don't need it. Kinda like saving utilities for Windows 95. Legacy systems bro! Can't stress the common occurrence of a Windows NT / 2000 system on a machine in a factory. I usually just kind of state and think " how old was I when they set these up??" It happens. Company that wrote mission-critical software goes out of business or gets bought out 3 times and an upgrade is not possible or costs $50k. |
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What's transparent here is the corruption permeating this Administration. In light of what's going on all around him, Cuomo's blatantly incriminating act of shredding everything is difficult to rationalize. View Quote Easy for you to say. Poor Cuomo, how do you think he felt trying to weigh this? Risk evidence being revealed, or risk OJ charge? Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. What Cuomo's decision does tell us is that HE believes the evidence (really, lack thereof) is more dangerous than OJ. So what does that tell you about the evidence in emails? Uh huh. Pretty deep stuff. This is going down just like the IRS scandal. |
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If LE is looking into him I'm sure subpoenas have already been issued. They won't be destroying any damning evidence and if they do the charges will only be worse.
Short of nuking the hard drives any federal agency will be able to recover the emails. |
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I'm sure there will be a few more "accidents" at warehouses holding paper documents too.
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In a memo obtained by Capital New York, Cuomo officials announced that mass purging of email records is beginning across several state government agencies. The timing of the announcement, which followed through on a 2013 proposal, is worth noting: The large-scale destruction of state documents will be happening in the middle of a sprawling federal investigation of public corruption in Albany. That investigation has been looking at state legislators and the Cuomo Administration. http://www.ibtimes.com/amid-federal-corruption-probe-andrew-cuomo-administration-purges-state-government-1828824 Hello, Preet, where are you? View Quote sounds like they're borrowing the irs playbook |
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It happens. Company that wrote mission-critical software goes out of business or gets bought out 3 times and an upgrade is not possible or costs $50k. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Company I work for used to not have an email retention policy. Now it's 1 year, that started a couple years ago. We have 3 and 7 year storage areas that we can store them in, but, hell, in IT, if it's more than a year old, I don't need it. Kinda like saving utilities for Windows 95. Legacy systems bro! Can't stress the common occurrence of a Windows NT / 2000 system on a machine in a factory. I usually just kind of state and think " how old was I when they set these up??" It happens. Company that wrote mission-critical software goes out of business or gets bought out 3 times and an upgrade is not possible or costs $50k. Or since its not broke.... You just avoid touching it... Like my factory. We have a Joseph saw running automated processes. It's running NT. Has been since 98 apparently! |
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Quoted: Legacy systems bro! Can't stress the common occurrence of a Windows NT / 2000 system on a machine in a factory. I usually just kind of state and think " how old was I when they set these up??" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Company I work for used to not have an email retention policy. Now it's 1 year, that started a couple years ago. We have 3 and 7 year storage areas that we can store them in, but, hell, in IT, if it's more than a year old, I don't need it. Kinda like saving utilities for Windows 95. Legacy systems bro! Can't stress the common occurrence of a Windows NT / 2000 system on a machine in a factory. I usually just kind of state and think " how old was I when they set these up??" |
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You will still run into Windows 98 systems at some shops. My neighbor was trying to resurrect one for a friend of his. A very painful process trying to find ancient used hardware that was compatible. You will probably still find Windows XP system out there well into the 2030's. Heck, there are even shops still running COBOL 74 through several layers of emulation on IBM mainframes. Nobody knows how the program works only that you put data in and get correct reports out. Too expensive to have someone reverse engineer and rewrite in a modern language (which will probably be obsolete as well within a few years of the program being written). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Company I work for used to not have an email retention policy. Now it's 1 year, that started a couple years ago. We have 3 and 7 year storage areas that we can store them in, but, hell, in IT, if it's more than a year old, I don't need it. Kinda like saving utilities for Windows 95. Legacy systems bro! Can't stress the common occurrence of a Windows NT / 2000 system on a machine in a factory. I usually just kind of state and think " how old was I when they set these up??" Not quite as obsolete as 98, but this is the second factory I've been in that is running an AS400 for some processes. . The thing is freaking huge! |
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http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/albany/2015/02/8563051/cuomo-it-chief-grilled-over-email-purges
ALBANY—Maggie Miller, the state's chief information officer, faced a barrage of questions from lawmakers at a budget hearing Thursday afternoon about the Cuomo administration policy of automatically deleting emails of state workers that are more than 90 days old. “The concerns that have been raised publicly are the accountability and the transparency of New York State government," said State Senator Patrick Gallivan, a Republican from Western New York. "Could you please comment on that?” “Ninety-day retention policy was actually implemented in 2013 and as you moved to consolidate those outdated and expensive and incompatible systems to a single cloud-based system, the existing policy is being applied to that new system,” said Miller, who was appointed to the position in December. Gallivan asked Miller whether she agreed or disagreed that the deletion policy raises questions about transparency and accountability. “In my experience, the policy is consistent with accepted practice, and I do support the policy,” Miller said. “It's also a matter of, actually, encouraging good behavior, prudent and responsible use of state resources.” Asked again if she had any concerns that the email deletion policy would decrease transparency, Miller said, “I fully support the policy.” “I think if the New York Assembly announced tomorrow they were going to pick up this policy, [U.S. Attorney] Preet Bharara would be at the court door making sure it did not,” Assemblyman Danny O'Donnell said, to nervous laugher from lawmakers and members of the crowd. O'Donnell, a Democrat from the Upper West Side, questioned how the deleted emails might affect Freedom of Information Laws and future litigation. The state's policy requires employees to manually retain emails that are the subjects of FOIL requests or are necessary for litigation. “Sometimes things don't become relevant-slash-important until after that 90-day period," O'Donnell said. “Isn't there some legitimate concern that the time period you're suggesting eliminates the ability of review and scrutiny of decision making?” “Um, well the policy does allow for exceptions for litigation and FOIL ... and those can be retained for longer process,” Miller said. “So anything subject to legal hold or FOIL is retained.” “Right, except that litigation doesn't start in 90 days, ever,” O'Donnell said. “A whole five months later ... the information that is needed to provide information is gone.“ After a few seconds of silence, O'Donnell said, “You don't seem to be concerned about that." “I, uh, all I can say is I fully support the policy and I believe that under the previous email system where, actually, the amount of email retained was measured by the size of your mailbox, you would have been subjected to the same issue, I believe so,” Miller said. “I'm not sure that's really a sufficient answer,” O'Donnell said. “We spend a lot of money and hire people like you. ... I think that you folks need to take a little closer look as to whether or not there are real risks involved.” New York's contract with Microsoft, which developed Office 365, allows each employee to have 50 gigabits of email storage. According to the advocacy group Reinvent Albany, the storage is enough to handle 30 years' worth of messages. State Senator John Flanagan, a Republican from Long Island, asked Miller if the email system could in fact retain information for 30 years. “Um, I wouldn't guess, I'm afraid,” Miller said. Flanagan also asked if she thought the the federal standard, which retains messages for seven years, is appropriate. “I can't comment on anybody else's policy,” she responded. “So you're not sure about the 30 years, you don't want to opine about the seven years and you don't know who came up with the 90 days?” Flanagan asked. “That's right,” Miller said. |
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Quoted: http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/albany/2015/02/8563051/cuomo-it-chief-grilled-over-email-purges ALBANY—Maggie Miller, the state's chief information officer... "I do support the policy,” Miller said. Miller said, "I fully support the policy.” ... "I, uh, all I can say is I fully support the policy,” Miller said. ... "Um, I wouldn't guess, I'm afraid,” Miller said. ... "I can't comment on anybody else's policy,” she responded. "So you're not sure about the 30 years, you don't want to opine about the seven years and you don't know who came up with the 90 days?” Flanagan asked. "That's right,” Miller said. View Quote Holy incompetence, Batman! The only qualification for these "spokespersons" and "information officers" must be that you can lie adequately and then do the two-step to try to cover those lies. Even with the fancy dancing, they still come off as dumbfucks. Just like the White House mouthpiece. [Edited to snip the quote to the important text.] |
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Quoted: Legacy systems bro! Can't stress the common occurrence of a Windows NT / 2000 system on a machine in a factory. I usually just kind of state and think " how old was I when they set these up??" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Company I work for used to not have an email retention policy. Now it's 1 year, that started a couple years ago. We have 3 and 7 year storage areas that we can store them in, but, hell, in IT, if it's more than a year old, I don't need it. Kinda like saving utilities for Windows 95. Legacy systems bro! Can't stress the common occurrence of a Windows NT / 2000 system on a machine in a factory. I usually just kind of state and think " how old was I when they set these up??" I still use a DOS laptop at home. I use Telix with my Packet controller, and MS Works, for the database for keeping track of net logins and messages for our sunday night ham radio nets. |
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Quoted: You will still run into Windows 98 systems at some shops. My neighbor was trying to resurrect one for a friend of his. A very painful process trying to find ancient used hardware that was compatible. You will probably still find Windows XP system out there well into the 2030's. Heck, there are even shops still running COBOL 74 through several layers of emulation on IBM mainframes. Nobody knows how the program works only that you put data in and get correct reports out. Too expensive to have someone reverse engineer and rewrite in a modern language (which will probably be obsolete as well within a few years of the program being written). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Company I work for used to not have an email retention policy. Now it's 1 year, that started a couple years ago. We have 3 and 7 year storage areas that we can store them in, but, hell, in IT, if it's more than a year old, I don't need it. Kinda like saving utilities for Windows 95. Legacy systems bro! Can't stress the common occurrence of a Windows NT / 2000 system on a machine in a factory. I usually just kind of state and think " how old was I when they set these up??" |
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You can't make this up.
A high ranking government official who ran on transparency and anti-corruption is facing indictment so decides to get rid of the evidence and lets everyone know ahead of time. And the dingbat spokeswoman who is supposed to defend the decision can't even come close and is totally unbelievable. OMG only in NYS. |
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You can't make this up. A high ranking government official who ran on transparency and anti-corruption is facing indictment so decides to get rid of the evidence and lets everyone know ahead of time. And the dingbat spokeswoman who is supposed to defend the decision can't even come close and is totally unbelievable. OMG only in NYS. View Quote Good thing 95% of the fucksticks in this state are far more interested in which ass cheek Derek Jeter scratched first as he rolled out of bed today. |
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Good thing 95% of the fucksticks in this state are far more interested in which ass cheek Derek Jeter scratched first as he rolled out of bed today. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You can't make this up. A high ranking government official who ran on transparency and anti-corruption is facing indictment so decides to get rid of the evidence and lets everyone know ahead of time. And the dingbat spokeswoman who is supposed to defend the decision can't even come close and is totally unbelievable. OMG only in NYS. Good thing 95% of the fucksticks in this state are far more interested in which ass cheek Derek Jeter scratched first as he rolled out of bed today. And that's why when most NYS residents finally realize what's been going on and how yes it affects them it will be too late and they deserve what's coming. |
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