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Probably good advice.

yep i agree and i hoping by than ill be only own a house here.. and living full time in a free state.

If you maintain any ties with NYS they'll fight tooth and nail your claim that you're no longer a NYer
Be prepared to prove how long every year you spend or do not spend in NY

"since the law took effect in March 2013, there were 3,930 arrests under the various SAFE Act offenses. The majority were in New York City and the most were for criminal possession of a firearm, a felony under the new law."

I wonder what the real number of SAFE related arrests are after you factor out those cases that were arrestable under previously existing laws

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Do we know yet if this is just a simple renewal? Or will one have to go through the process of re-securing references, having them contacted, background checks and fingerprints, etc?

Unfortunately with as many that have left NY for better rights and lower taxes, most of my references from the time I submitted my initial application were a part of it.

From what I have heard no.

From what I can decipher from everything I've read, the renewal is everything in the application except references.

screw them!  I hope that all of those 500 people throw those "invitations" into the garbage.  but i bet at least 1/3rd will take the "this is a great idea, i have nothing to hide" type attitude and bend over for the gestapo!   it will be a great day when these scumbags take their last breathe!

Draw dickbutt on the early invitation and return.  Send recertification form on very last day before deadline using certified mail.

My bet is at least 1/2 if not slightly more.

People don't realize, than even amongst gun owners, the righeous rebels of us are quite the minority.

So I have to shell out another fuckin hundo for fingerprints?

Yeah. I'll get right on that.

Yet
Give them time
Dealers have to go through that whole process every time we change our physical address

Think they will put restrictions in unrestricted licenses?

Your permit doesn't expire; that was one of the SAFE "compromises."  Originally they wanted to take licensing from the counties and give it to the NYSP.  You need to re-certify (presumably with a valid NY address and driver's license) every 5 years or they revoke the permit.

Apparently, judges do not have the authority to hand out restricted licenses... according to the Fulton Co. Sheriff.  

I went to a pistol class with a guy that turned his paper one in for a laminated permit and when he got it back he had the sportsman restrictions on it.
This is Onondaga county so I assume they are just set up to give everyone sportsman licenses unless your "important"
So are the SP going to be doing the transfers now? And I wonder if there would be any restrictions on a permit from the SP after renewed?

Infringed.

Judges made up "sporting and hunting" pure out of the blue, what's stopping the NYSP?

 

So the state police are just renewing not issuing licenses. You still have to go to your local place right?

Not a renewal.  Certification that your PP data is current.

Well, guess what, I have until 2018...until then, they can fuck themselves...

And hopefully by 2018 I'll be long gone....

And to add, everyone should wait until the last week, then SWAMP them...

Gee, I only have one comment -


Eat Shit And Die!!


I'm tired of this crap, too tired to care anymore - too tired to care to participate.

When Ontario switched from paper to plastic I specifically asked if there would be any restrictions placed on my license if I upgraded to the new style.

Clerk's response: "Why would we put restrictions on your license?" followed by her jokingly saying "Well I guess we could make some up if you wanted but I really don't know what they would be".

When she handed me my new plastic license, in addition to the standard "License to carry pistol" wording it also said FULL CARRY on it.

MEMORANDUM

FROM: Mike Jankowski, Wayne County Clerk

DATE: December 2, 2014

RE: NYS Police presentation on the SAFE Act Enforcement

On Tuesday November 18, 2014 at the Winter Meeting of the New York State Association of County Clerks the State Police conducted a presentation on the recertification process required under the New York State Safe Act.

Representing the State Police were:
Lt. James Sherman
Tim Mylos
Lynne Rosenzweig

Points of Interest:
1) A pilot of the recertification process will begin in January of 2015.
2) The Pilot Counties will be Albany, Schenectady and Fulton.
3) 500 invitations to recertify will be sent out to each of the pilot counties.
4) The invitations will direct the permit holders to a state police web site or where they can download the recertification form.
5) There will be no county seal or any other county identifier on the letters to be sent out.
6) The invitation will be to recertify immediately although recertification is not required prior to January 31, 2018.
7) Recertification letters will be sent out state wide to selected groups between March-June 2015.
8) The Goal of the State police is to have as many people recertify electronically as possible. (Our goal should be to have EVERYONE recertify with a paper form)
9) Paper forms will be available for download or from the state police website or at all trooper barracks.
10) Once approved the State police will issue a plastic recertification card that will need to be carried with the permit at all times.
11) The recertification web site will only available to individuals who have already received an invitation to recertify with a user id and password.
12) The paper forms can be filed by anyone at any time.
13) The applicants home address will be checked against DMV records.
14) Out of State addresses will be sent to the licensing officer.
15) Any permit holder that does not have a valid NYS driver’s license or ID will be required to get one. This includes out of state residents that are permit holders. (But requiring voters to have an ID is racist)
16) Electronically there will be a save function so the recertification can be complete during more than one session.
17) Re-certification is a state police function. The County Clerks do not have a role.
18) Counties will be notified when recertification is approved.
19) Recertification discrepancies must be corrected by amendment to license at the county level. Applicants will be instructed to do so.
20) When a permit holder recertifies online they will be able to print out a receipt with a tracking number. That tracing number can then be used to check where the application is in the process.
21) If the applicant recertifies by mail they will receive a return receipt with a tracking number.
22) Lt. Sherman did not encourage the use of certified mail but it would be a proof of mailing an application and proof it was received.
23) The recertification application is just like a pistol permit application without the references. The applicant is required to list all arrests, drug or alcohol treatment, mental illness or family court petition or charge.
24) The applicant lists all hand guns registered to him and this information may need to be reconciled with the state data base.
25) There are four steps to the recertification process:
a. Submission of application
b. Acceptance of the application
c. Review/ Return for correction
d. Approval/Revocation
26) Once submitted, the recertification application will be checked against the following data bases:
a. NCIC’s
b. MHL/946 (Mental Health Law)
c. Orders of probation (should say Orders of Protection)
d. DMV
e. Parole
f. Probation
g. NYS wanted and missing
27) If the applicant is negative on the above checks the application is approved and the recertification cards will be issued.
28) Positives will be referred to the licensing officer for revocation or clarification
29) If the NYS Police determine that it cannot re certify the permit, the recertification is sent to the licensing officer. (Lt. Sherman indicated that a permit holder will have his entire application reviewed by the state police and the application may be referred to a licensing officer for further review even if the information disclosed on the recertification application is the same as the information provided in the initial pistol permit application. This is not limited to Federal prohibitors.
30) The Licensing officer does not have the legal authority to do anything other than revoke if there is a federal prohibitor.
31) The licensing officer would be responsible for getting a certificate of relief from disabilities for past problems that are not covered by the federal prohibitor list
32) There are three letters that are possibly sent to a permit holder seeking to recertify the pistol permit
a. Letter calling for re certification
b. Letter stating permit problem to be resolved
c. Letter granting recertification
33) After January 31, 2018 the law states that the failure to recertify is an automatic revocation. Likely it will fall to the licensing officer to actually revoke the permit.
34) There will be a check box on the recertification for a co-registered weapon.
35) Applicant has the option to have the information on the recertification application exempted from public disclosure.
36) According to lt. Sherman the object of the recertification process is to create a “Pristine” data base that any law enforcement official would be able to access at any time with real time information.
37) Lt Sherman stated that the pistol permit data would be linked to the DMV data base and an officer would know a pulled over vehicle was owned by a pistol permit holder.
38) Indicating a pistol permit on the face of a driver’s license is not a decision that has been made yet.
39) Their goal is to send out the first recertification letters state wide by early spring.
40) There was a power point for the presentation but Sherman said it would not be released to the clerk’s.

So now we need a license to carry a license.

Those are all electronic anyways now

Tell me about it
Last year I had to resubmit my prints for my dealers license renewal
This year because I moved they automatically make you resubmit your entire dealer application, including prints, references etc
No, I didn't get a discount for having to submit prints twice within roughly a year

That's about a correct analysis of Livescan
Unlike a Datamaster where you step into any agency with a Datamaster and you get the same piece of gear, it seems like every Livescan is set up different.
The one downtown is different from ours, and the newer ones like the one at my PT place are even more different and more like a laptop with an attached camera .
The state changes vendors and the specs change

Yes, the processing takes forever, and you run the risk of going offline or crashing and losing all your work and having to start over
Drunks are especially fun when you can't get the computer to accept the print.
We used to be able to bang out any processing without arraignment other than a DWI in 30 minutes and be back on the road
Don't get me started on the new arraignment with counsel requirement
THAT has doubled our time commitment as well, but you lawyers seem to love the extra cash

I wish we didn't have it.
Some states don't even have arraignments for up to 72 hours after locking someone up
Somehow our county was overjoyed at participating in that program.
Just another way to keep pre-sentenced folks out of jail is how I really think the reasoning went
There are always lawyers happy to be on the call in list now, but those first few months were a nightmare

bwa ha ha ha.   A lot of upstate missed the boat or were not funded for livescan systems.  The best they can do is paper card them and bring the cards to the jail for scanning in.

Its for only one reason COST. Don't have to feed, cloth, or give them a cot to watch Oprah all day long.

Yes, mainly small village PDs
The day will come when the paper alternative will not be accepted, even if it means the state subsidizes lifescan for small agencies
The current version is not much more than a laptop and a camera, so I see the complete conversion being inevitable



The politicians don't get it that the social costs are much higher than the incarceration costs
The crook who stays on the street is continuing their criminal behaviors, which means the rest of society continues to be victimized

The OC clerk is really happy every time I've gone there to make an amendment.    My coworker knows her really well, too, she has 3-4 pages of guns on hers.