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Posted: 11/27/2014 12:06:05 PM EDT
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His argument is probably based on retractable vs. protruding. Either way, NY politicians will hammer him because it makes it easy to "handle the rifle". BTW, I don't have time warner so I couldn't view or open the video.
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Posted: 11/27/2014 12:44:07 PM EDT
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Think of it this way: in simplistic terms, "no grip" makes it legal, then installing one makes it illegal....right?
Well from what I'm seeing that's the case here; "no grip" with it retracted, and has one when ready for use...Just how dumb do you think the Jurors at the Trial will be? 
Besides, that MSR shown is already illegal under un-SAFE (unless it was registered before the deadline, and legal before then) 
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Posted: 11/27/2014 12:48:17 PM EDT
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Step #1 in being taken seriously: Remove any 19th century styled facial hair.
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Posted: 11/27/2014 6:22:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/27/2014 7:39:27 PM EDT
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When the cops come you collapse it quick and start whistling.
Fucker stole my idea. I was days away from a press conference to announce my collapsable compliant flash hider. 
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Posted: 11/27/2014 11:31:02 PM EDT
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Can't watch the video... does it auto-retract with a spring or something?
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Posted: 11/28/2014 1:05:43 AM EDT
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Can't watch the video... does it auto-retract with a spring or something? No, I don't think so. It looks like shit and does, indeed, "protrude conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon" unless it is collapsed. I can't see how anyone could interperet it as NY safe-act legal unless you are a total dumbass. And yeah, as someone above pointed out, the dudes weird beard is creepy as fuck. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 9:24:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Step #1 in being taken seriously: Remove any 19th century styled facial hair. Regardless, I would run from this invention as fast as I could. I agree with another poster here that no jury is going to acquit on what is obviously a protruding grip when extended. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 8:16:12 PM EDT
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Ahem... I would like to point out that a "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously" but NOT BELOW the action is legal.
Like when the pistol grip is below the barrel, not the action. As in a bull pup like the AUG or Tavor. The FS 2000 has a thumbhole stock. Anyone selling a Tavor without a flash hider? |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 9:14:49 PM EDT
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Good point. I'll have to look into that.
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Posted: 11/28/2014 10:03:01 PM EDT
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didn't watch the video, but the still pic that it shows as a place holder looks ugly, and the 30 round mag is illegal too unless internally blocked.
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Posted: 11/28/2014 10:24:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ahem... I would like to point out that a "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously" but NOT BELOW the action is legal. Like when the pistol grip is below the barrel, not the action. As in a bull pup like the AUG or Tavor. The FS 2000 has a thumbhole stock. Anyone selling a Tavor without a flash hider? I'd had the same thought after playing around with a buddy's Tavor in Ohio last month.
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Posted: 11/28/2014 10:26:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, I don't think so. It looks like shit and does, indeed, "protrude conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon" unless it is collapsed. I can't see how anyone could interperet it as NY safe-act legal unless you are a total dumbass. And yeah, as someone above pointed out, the dudes weird beard is creepy as fuck. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can't watch the video... does it auto-retract with a spring or something? No, I don't think so. It looks like shit and does, indeed, "protrude conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon" unless it is collapsed. I can't see how anyone could interperet it as NY safe-act legal unless you are a total dumbass. And yeah, as someone above pointed out, the dudes weird beard is creepy as fuck. This. And even if it did auto-retract, I think that it'd still be illegal. If it ever protrudes, it's a problem.
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Posted: 11/29/2014 2:33:12 AM EDT
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Ahem... I would like to point out that a "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously" but NOT BELOW the action is legal. Like when the pistol grip is below the barrel, not the action. As in a bull pup like the AUG or Tavor. The FS 2000 has a thumbhole stock. Anyone selling a Tavor without a flash hider? Vector has a pistol grip above the action... 
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Posted: 11/29/2014 3:35:21 AM EDT
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Ahem... I would like to point out that a "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously" but NOT BELOW the action is legal. Like when the pistol grip is below the barrel, not the action. As in a bull pup like the AUG or Tavor. The FS 2000 has a thumbhole stock. Anyone selling a Tavor without a flash hider? Vector has a pistol grip above the action... http://i.imgur.com/reQghRe.png BUT the "spirit of the law" says it's evil. |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 10:26:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ahem... I would like to point out that a "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously" but NOT BELOW the action is legal. Like when the pistol grip is below the barrel, not the action. As in a bull pup like the AUG or Tavor. The FS 2000 has a thumbhole stock. Anyone selling a Tavor without a flash hider? Vector has a pistol grip above the action... http://i.imgur.com/reQghRe.png I'm intrigued. |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 1:43:39 PM EDT
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I'm intrigued. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ahem... I would like to point out that a "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously" but NOT BELOW the action is legal. Like when the pistol grip is below the barrel, not the action. As in a bull pup like the AUG or Tavor. The FS 2000 has a thumbhole stock. Anyone selling a Tavor without a flash hider? Vector has a pistol grip above the action... http://i.imgur.com/reQghRe.png I'm intrigued. Isn't the fore-grip a no-no, though? |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 2:00:10 PM EDT
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I like your direction but I don't see that one working. Action and receiver are synonymous to a jury.
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Posted: 11/29/2014 5:10:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like your direction but I don't see that one working. Action and receiver are synonymous to a jury. The Vector? The PG is not conspicuous. I shot a full auto one in Montana in July and it was sweet. That recoil reduction system really does eliminate muzzle rise. On the video of me shooting it, you can see the gun pushing back a little, but the muzzle stays level.
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Posted: 11/30/2014 10:00:42 AM EDT
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I like your direction but I don't see that one working. Action and receiver are synonymous to a jury. I doubt they know what a receiver is, and, at any rate, words in law have meaning that cannot be discounted. The clever little legislative aids who wrote this shit for their socialist fuck masters said "bellow" the action, so they must have meant below, not behind or in front of, or above or under the barrel. Someone with a Tavor is innocent until proven guilty, and I don't think they would be. Prince Andy does not want more bad publicity. NRA , are ya listening? IMI? |
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Posted: 11/30/2014 10:32:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't the fore-grip a no-no, though? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ahem... I would like to point out that a "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously" but NOT BELOW the action is legal. Like when the pistol grip is below the barrel, not the action. As in a bull pup like the AUG or Tavor. The FS 2000 has a thumbhole stock. Anyone selling a Tavor without a flash hider? Vector has a pistol grip above the action... http://i.imgur.com/reQghRe.png I'm intrigued. Isn't the fore-grip a no-no, though? Yes. Looks to be easily removed. |
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Posted: 11/30/2014 12:48:06 PM EDT
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NRA , are ya listening? IMI? No, they aren't, but NYSRPA is and will add the tid-bit to the soup pot. 
The NRA has it's hands full with Washington, and as many have said "NY is a lost cause" but that in itself shouldn't stop us from continuing the fight....Sending your annual membership dues in, then kicking back to let others do it for you will not accomplish the mission.
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Posted: 11/30/2014 3:46:41 PM EDT
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The tavor grip is a fore-grip, making it illegal no?
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Posted: 11/30/2014 5:22:14 PM EDT
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Yes. Looks to be easily removed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ahem... I would like to point out that a "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously" but NOT BELOW the action is legal. Like when the pistol grip is below the barrel, not the action. As in a bull pup like the AUG or Tavor. The FS 2000 has a thumbhole stock. Anyone selling a Tavor without a flash hider? Vector has a pistol grip above the action... http://i.imgur.com/reQghRe.png I'm intrigued. Isn't the fore-grip a no-no, though? Yes. Looks to be easily removed. How's it shoot without the foregrip then? Can't figure you'd get a good hold on it up front without it. |
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Posted: 11/30/2014 5:33:58 PM EDT
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You grab the front of the receiver. The one I shot had no fire grip.
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Posted: 11/30/2014 11:50:37 PM EDT
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No, they aren't, but NYSRPA is and will add the tid-bit to the soup pot.
The NRA has it's hands full with Washington, and as many have said "NY is a lost cause" but that in itself shouldn't stop us from continuing the fight....Sending your annual membership dues in, then kicking back to let others do it for you will not accomplish the mission. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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NRA , are ya listening? IMI? No, they aren't, but NYSRPA is and will add the tid-bit to the soup pot.
The NRA has it's hands full with Washington, and as many have said "NY is a lost cause" but that in itself shouldn't stop us from continuing the fight....Sending your annual membership dues in, then kicking back to let others do it for you will not accomplish the mission. Thank heaven for NYSRPA. Time to send in another donation. 
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Posted: 12/1/2014 8:27:42 AM EDT
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Frankly the AR style stock is better labelled "adjustable" rather than collapsible. Collapses has the implication its not useable when collapsed, when in reality an AR style stock is useable and really only traverses back and forth a few inches - say if you were wearing different layers of clothing in different seasons you would find in NY.
So is an adjustable stock for Ooverall length justifyable - seems logical, but logic goes out the window with the safe act. |
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Posted: 12/1/2014 10:05:43 AM EDT
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Frankly the AR style stock is better labelled "adjustable" rather than collapsible. Collapses has the implication its not useable when collapsed, when in reality an AR style stock is useable and really only traverses back and forth a few inches - say if you were wearing different layers of clothing in different seasons you would find in NY. So is an adjustable stock for Ooverall length justifyable - seems logical, but logic goes out the window with the safe act. It's a law written by the uneducated (on the issue) for the willfully ignorant. We don't count, remember "there is no place in NY for them" |
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Posted: 12/1/2014 10:36:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How's it shoot without the foregrip then? Can't figure you'd get a good hold on it up front without it. Looks like the magwell is designed to be used as a grip. See the little lip towards the bottom on the front.
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Posted: 12/1/2014 11:04:32 AM EDT
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Looks like the magwell is designed to be used as a grip. See the little lip towards the bottom on the front. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How's it shoot without the foregrip then? Can't figure you'd get a good hold on it up front without it. Looks like the magwell is designed to be used as a grip. See the little lip towards the bottom on the front. Yep, I see it now. Interesting. |
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Posted: 12/1/2014 3:25:42 PM EDT
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Ahem... I would like to point out that a "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously" but NOT BELOW the action is legal. Like when the pistol grip is below the barrel, not the action. As in a bull pup like the AUG or Tavor. The FS 2000 has a thumbhole stock. Anyone selling a Tavor without a flash hider? Vector has a pistol grip above the action... http://i.imgur.com/reQghRe.png I like it. I don't think that has a pistol grip at all; it's more of a 'spade grip'. Like this: 
The M2HB doesn't have pistol grips. Those are considered spade grips. Hopefully we just stumbled onto the UNSAFE Loophole. |
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Posted: 12/2/2014 11:52:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like it. I don't think that has a pistol grip at all; it's more of a 'spade grip'. Like this: http://www.gunlistings.org/uploads/3_misc_m2hb_for_sale_semiauto_60687.jpg The M2HB doesn't have pistol grips. Those are considered spade grips. Hopefully we just stumbled onto the UNSAFE Loophole. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ahem... I would like to point out that a "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously" but NOT BELOW the action is legal. Like when the pistol grip is below the barrel, not the action. As in a bull pup like the AUG or Tavor. The FS 2000 has a thumbhole stock. Anyone selling a Tavor without a flash hider? Vector has a pistol grip above the action... http://i.imgur.com/reQghRe.png I like it. I don't think that has a pistol grip at all; it's more of a 'spade grip'. Like this: http://www.gunlistings.org/uploads/3_misc_m2hb_for_sale_semiauto_60687.jpg The M2HB doesn't have pistol grips. Those are considered spade grips. Hopefully we just stumbled onto the UNSAFE Loophole. If that thing in your picture is a loophole, I'm in!  |
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