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Posted: 8/23/2014 7:45:53 AM EDT
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Would I be correct to assume that the bolt itself is the same, but the carrier is the only thing different (plus the buffer and spring, of course). That is what Ares is claiming. I myself have not seen or handled one. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/04/foghorn/first-look-ares-scr-rifle-works/ |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 7:52:01 AM EDT
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Anyone selling these in the Rochester area?
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Posted: 8/23/2014 8:11:28 AM EDT
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The bolt is the same, the carrier is different. The carrier will work in any upper, just use their BCG in your upper.
I just had an email response from the company, the bolt hold open will be available shortly and will be a no gunsmith install, and is fully reversible back to factory configuration. I have to get me one of those. Probably Tuesday. |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 8:56:42 AM EDT
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The bolt is the same, the carrier is different. The carrier will work in any upper, just use their BCG in your upper. I just had an email response from the company, the bolt hold open will be available shortly and will be a no gunsmith install, and is fully reversible back to factory configuration. I have to get me one of those. Probably Tuesday. Nice, let us know |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 9:08:26 AM EDT
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Anyone selling these in the Rochester area? Amchar is one of the NY distributors according to ARES. They have several SCR variants listed but show them all as out of stock. I'm guessing this means that some could have been sent to area shops, and/or Amchar plans to receive more. I haven't had a chance to visit any stores recently so for all I know there could be some on the shelves somewhere. If anyone sees any, please post. 
I believe dealer pricing is lower than what is shown here. |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 9:10:16 AM EDT
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The bolt is the same, the carrier is different. The carrier will work in any upper, just use their BCG in your upper. I just had an email response from the company, the bolt hold open will be available shortly and will be a no gunsmith install, and is fully reversible back to factory configuration. I have to get me one of those. Probably Tuesday. Wait... I don't understand. Standard Config does not lock the bolt open after the last round? |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 9:19:02 AM EDT
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Wait... I don't understand. Standard Config does not lock the bolt open after the last round? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The bolt is the same, the carrier is different. The carrier will work in any upper, just use their BCG in your upper. I just had an email response from the company, the bolt hold open will be available shortly and will be a no gunsmith install, and is fully reversible back to factory configuration. I have to get me one of those. Probably Tuesday. Wait... I don't understand. Standard Config does not lock the bolt open after the last round? No. There is a plug in the receiver where the bolt hold open device would live. I guess they are designing a proprietary part for their receiver. The Saiga does not lock on the last shot, so this is not a HUGE deal, but of course we all prefer the bolt lock. |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 4:37:15 PM EDT
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It's for kids who can't count to 5, or 10, or 20, or 30... to slow them down when reloading.
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Posted: 8/23/2014 4:55:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:o. There is a plug in the receiver where the bolt hold open device would live.
I guess they are designing a proprietary part for their receiver. The Saiga does not lock on the last shot, so this is not a HUGE deal, but of course we all prefer the bolt lock. To be honest, that kind of kills it for me. I want it to function EXACTLY the same as a genuine AR. I'll wait for now. |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 5:45:50 PM EDT
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Make one in 7.62 please?
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Posted: 8/23/2014 5:58:18 PM EDT
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Make one in 7.62 please? 7.62 X 39 ? |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 6:11:34 PM EDT
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To be honest, that kind of kills it for me. I want it to function EXACTLY the same as a genuine AR. I'll wait for now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:o. There is a plug in the receiver where the bolt hold open device would live.
I guess they are designing a proprietary part for their receiver. The Saiga does not lock on the last shot, so this is not a HUGE deal, but of course we all prefer the bolt lock. To be honest, that kind of kills it for me. I want it to function EXACTLY the same as a genuine AR. I'll wait for now. If what scosgt posted above is correct, and the bolt hold open is a simple no-gunsmithing upgrade, then I don't have a problem with it. |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 6:46:57 PM EDT
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If what scosgt posted above is correct, and the bolt hold open is a simple no-gunsmithing upgrade, then I don't have a problem with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted:o. There is a plug in the receiver where the bolt hold open device would live.
I guess they are designing a proprietary part for their receiver. The Saiga does not lock on the last shot, so this is not a HUGE deal, but of course we all prefer the bolt lock. To be honest, that kind of kills it for me. I want it to function EXACTLY the same as a genuine AR. I'll wait for now. If what scosgt posted above is correct, and the bolt hold open is a simple no-gunsmithing upgrade, then I don't have a problem with it. Why in the blue fuck did they make it without that "out of the box?" |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 7:24:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 7.62 X 39 ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Make one in 7.62 please? 7.62 X 39 ?  |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 7:32:47 PM EDT
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Why in the blue fuck did they make it without that "out of the box?" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted:o. There is a plug in the receiver where the bolt hold open device would live.
I guess they are designing a proprietary part for their receiver. The Saiga does not lock on the last shot, so this is not a HUGE deal, but of course we all prefer the bolt lock. To be honest, that kind of kills it for me. I want it to function EXACTLY the same as a genuine AR. I'll wait for now. If what scosgt posted above is correct, and the bolt hold open is a simple no-gunsmithing upgrade, then I don't have a problem with it. Why in the blue fuck did they make it without that "out of the box?" If I had to guess, I'd go with patent and design issues, which take time. Maybe waiting for the bolt catch would have delayed introduction even further? I'm just guessing, I really don't know. At least the SCR has a provision for a bolt catch. The original rifle concept from 2009 did not. 
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Posted: 8/24/2014 12:38:57 AM EDT
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Make one in 7.62 please? They do. |
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Posted: 8/24/2014 2:02:17 AM EDT
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x 54R
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Make one in 7.62 please? 7.62 X 39 ?
 I'd be down for that.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 2:41:46 AM EDT
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This is cool and I'll probably buy one if the SAFE act stays but I think in the long run they hurt our cause. It gives the anti's the ability to say we can still exercise our rights and with the way judges rule these days that is probably enough to justify them upholding the ban.
This gun takes the sting out of not being able to buy an AR... but that's it. Doesn't help if you want something different than an AR, especially now since Saigas were banned. Hell,even a 10/22 with a muzzle device is an "aw." |
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Posted: 8/24/2014 5:27:33 AM EDT
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x 54R
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Make one in 7.62 please? 7.62 X 39 ?
I wanted 7.62x51 - but as I failed to specify any of the above options are acceptable. Especially 54R. |
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Posted: 8/24/2014 7:12:07 AM EDT
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This is cool and I'll probably buy one if the SAFE act stays but I think in the long run they hurt our cause. It gives the anti's the ability to say we can still exercise our rights and with the way judges rule these days that is probably enough to justify them upholding the ban. The people who aim to restrict or eliminate the Second Amendment would use ANY firearm as an example to make that extremely weak argument. If your only legal option was a single shot rifle, they would still be saying the same thing. |
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Posted: 8/24/2014 7:24:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The people who aim to restrict or eliminate the Second Amendment would use ANY firearm as an example to make that extremely weak argument. If your only legal option was a single shot rifle, they would still be saying the same thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is cool and I'll probably buy one if the SAFE act stays but I think in the long run they hurt our cause. It gives the anti's the ability to say we can still exercise our rights and with the way judges rule these days that is probably enough to justify them upholding the ban. The people who aim to restrict or eliminate the Second Amendment would use ANY firearm as an example to make that extremely weak argument. If your only legal option was a single shot rifle, they would still be saying the same thing. The man knows what he is talking about. |
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Posted: 8/24/2014 7:43:44 AM EDT
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The people who aim to restrict or eliminate the Second Amendment would use ANY firearm as an example to make that extremely weak argument. If your only legal option was a single shot rifle, they would still be saying the same thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is cool and I'll probably buy one if the SAFE act stays but I think in the long run they hurt our cause. It gives the anti's the ability to say we can still exercise our rights and with the way judges rule these days that is probably enough to justify them upholding the ban. The people who aim to restrict or eliminate the Second Amendment would use ANY firearm as an example to make that extremely weak argument. If your only legal option was a single shot rifle, they would still be saying the same thing. QFT. "Nobody needs 3 bullets to shoot a deeeah" |
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Posted: 8/24/2014 12:02:43 PM EDT
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I'm assuming it's got a Benelli type carrier/tube/spring? Looks about like the only thing that would work.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 5:55:39 PM EDT
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I know but have you read the legal decisions coming from these leftist moonbat courts? They literally make shit up as they go. Again, I think the SCR is cool and helps us enjoy our rights while we fight this in court, but it think in the long run it hurts us. You give an anti an inch, they will take a mile.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 6:01:01 PM EDT
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It still has the shoulder thing that goes up.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 2:58:55 AM EDT
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It still has the shoulder thing that goes up. And it still has the ability with a .30-caliber clip to disperse with 30 bullets within half a second. In fact, that's thirty magazine clip in half a second. So there's that too. |
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Posted: 8/25/2014 5:46:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wanted 7.62x51 - but as I failed to specify any of the above options are acceptable. Especially 54R. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Make one in 7.62 please? 7.62 X 39 ? I wanted 7.62x51 - but as I failed to specify any of the above options are acceptable. Especially 54R. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 4:25:27 AM EDT
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They have the bolt catch made. If you watch the video from B&H Police Supply on YouTube (with the nice 300 BO SBR):
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as well as look at the version with the rail system that they had at one show, the lower has it installed. The version that they brought to the NRA show that has the MOE front end does not have it installed (there's a blank in it's place.) This appears to be the initial model being sold. As for why it wasn't standard. Perhaps it was just a supplier issue, but look at the overall package that they have released:  (image from LongIslandFirearms.com)
there's no bolt catch, no forward assist (BCG won't interact with one, even if you install an upper with one), no brass deflector, no dust cover, no front sight, push button safety, etc. They went as bare-bones as they could. Not sure if it was done for cost saving or to look as not evil as possible, but everything was minimalist. That's one reason why a lot of people want them to release just the lower, since they will replace the upper anyway (likely with one that they have.) |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 5:25:15 AM EDT
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They have the bolt catch made. If you watch the video from B&H Police Supply on YouTube (with the nice 300 BO SBR): The bolt catches in their pics are on older pre-production models. We do not know if that same bolt catch will be offered, or if it will be different. I don't fault ARES for trying out different variants of a new rifle, but until they make an official statement regarding the bolt catch, then this is all just speculation. I really do wish they would explain it though. I see no mention of a bolt hold open feature on their patent. This is why I suggested that it could possibly be a patent issue. Again... speculation. https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US8397623.pdf |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 6:54:03 AM EDT
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I want one, but not enough to pay a priemum to be a real life beta tester. I also don't like the idea of paying over $800 just to get the lower since the upper the gun comes with isn't configured to my liking. Thorsden stock in hand, I wait.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 12:10:33 PM EDT
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Any pics of the bolt carrier setup?
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Posted: 8/28/2014 12:18:44 PM EDT
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Nice. Does the cutout in the lower look like it is machined for a bolt catch assembly to drop in? Does it have any roll pin holes in that area to secure such an assembly? |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 3:01:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2014 3:02:45 PM EDT
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Nice. Does the cutout in the lower look like it is machined for a bolt catch assembly to drop in? Does it have any roll pin holes in that area to secure such an assembly? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nice. Does the cutout in the lower look like it is machined for a bolt catch assembly to drop in? Does it have any roll pin holes in that area to secure such an assembly? It looks like there's a provision for one, not sure if a regular bolt catch would work tho. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 3:09:57 PM EDT
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Thanks. I think one in 7.62 is going to find a home.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 3:20:30 PM EDT
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Thanks for the lower pics!
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Posted: 8/28/2014 5:37:05 PM EDT
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How difficult/different is it to index the magazine release with the stock?
Is the selector easy to manipulate while holding the stock normally? Does your strong hand/arm get in the way when racking the action? |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 8:52:30 PM EDT
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How difficult/different is it to index the magazine release with the stock? Not hard at all, may take slight repositioning or moving your index finger forward a bit to reach. It depends, if you have large or small hands Is the selector easy to manipulate while holding the stock normally? There's no selector switch, but there is a safety button behind the trigger Does your strong hand/arm get in the way when racking the action? No, no problems here, it is still very similar to an AR |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:02:38 AM EDT
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How difficult/different is it to index the magazine release with the stock? Not hard at all, may take slight repositioning or moving your index finger forward a bit to reach. It depends, if you have large or small hands Is the selector easy to manipulate while holding the stock normally? There's no selector switch, but there is a safety button behind the trigger Does your strong hand/arm get in the way when racking the action? No, no problems here, it is still very similar to an AR Thanks! I already knew there wasn't a selector so I don't know why I asked that.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 6:03:20 AM EDT
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Thanks! I already knew there wasn't a selector so I don't know why I asked that.
Just to add: I looked at the rifle again this morning, and I went over your questions from last night. I feel that ppl with smaller to average size hands would have to let go off the stock to reach the mag release with their index finger. (I was able to do it with my thumb still on the stock, just behind the charging handle) Keeping your hand on the stock and pressing the mag release with your support hand might be a better alternative imo. - As far as racking the charging handle, the only problem I see is if you have larger hands and large thumb, that would prob get hit when you rack the charging handle. Keep your thumb low and it wont, lol - Like everything else, it might take a bit of a learning curve esp if one is used to the traditional ARs |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 9:11:27 AM EDT
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Is that an optics only config, or can you mount iron sights?
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Posted: 8/29/2014 10:08:20 AM EDT
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Someone PLEASE post a range report.
I really want one of these, but I really want to know if they actually work! |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:38:58 PM EDT
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I take it the AR height sights work with monti carlo stock but likely wouldn't work with the standard stock?
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Posted: 8/29/2014 3:00:10 PM EDT
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Looks great with the rail. I plan to do the same thing if I ever get my hands on one.
ETA: Check out the ARES facebook page! 
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.724424170963930.1073741828.175347259204960&type=1 |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 3:12:08 PM EDT
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I take it the AR height sights work with monti carlo stock but likely wouldn't work with the standard stock? That was part of the reason I opted for the monte carlo stock. 
It gave me a better cheek weld, compared to the other stocks.(closer to the height of where the AR buffer tube used to be?) Can't really say if it will work on the standard stock or not. Maybe someone else can chime in. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 3:13:48 PM EDT
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Looks great with the rail. I plan to do the same thing if I ever get my hands on one. ETA: Check out the ARES facebook page!
Cool, thanks for sharing that!
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Posted: 8/29/2014 3:32:07 PM EDT
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Before Free Float rail: <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/knightenforcer/media/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04521_zps636255ba.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/knightenforcer/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04521_zps636255ba.jpg</a> The flat top upper can accommodate a rear BUIS, a red dot or a scope but there's no place to put one in the front. One solution is to mount a Free Float railed forend. I also wanted BUIS so I decided to put this on today. The SCR already has a low profile gas block and no flash hider so that was a plus (2 things that made the install of a FF easier) Waiting on a riser for my red dot so I can co-witness with the magpul MBUS sights :) <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/knightenforcer/media/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04573_zpsceff1e55.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/knightenforcer/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04573_zpsceff1e55.jpg</a> - <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/knightenforcer/media/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04586_zpsdca413aa.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/knightenforcer/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04586_zpsdca413aa.jpg</a> - <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/knightenforcer/media/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04598_zpse073fc6f.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/knightenforcer/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04598_zpse073fc6f.jpg</a> - <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/knightenforcer/media/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04591_zpsb13f0ddf.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/knightenforcer/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04591_zpsb13f0ddf.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is that an optics only config, or can you mount iron sights? Before Free Float rail: <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/knightenforcer/media/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04521_zps636255ba.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/knightenforcer/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04521_zps636255ba.jpg</a> The flat top upper can accommodate a rear BUIS, a red dot or a scope but there's no place to put one in the front. One solution is to mount a Free Float railed forend. I also wanted BUIS so I decided to put this on today. The SCR already has a low profile gas block and no flash hider so that was a plus (2 things that made the install of a FF easier) Waiting on a riser for my red dot so I can co-witness with the magpul MBUS sights :) <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/knightenforcer/media/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04573_zpsceff1e55.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/knightenforcer/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04573_zpsceff1e55.jpg</a> - <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/knightenforcer/media/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04586_zpsdca413aa.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/knightenforcer/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04586_zpsdca413aa.jpg</a> - <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/knightenforcer/media/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04598_zpse073fc6f.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/knightenforcer/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04598_zpse073fc6f.jpg</a> - <a href="http://s36.photobucket.com/user/knightenforcer/media/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04591_zpsb13f0ddf.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/knightenforcer/Firearms%20rifles%20shotguns%20revolvers%20etc/DSC04591_zpsb13f0ddf.jpg</a> Looks great! |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 4:36:12 PM EDT
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Thanks!
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