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Link Posted: 7/29/2014 9:14:48 AM EDT
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Quoted:However, it is pretty clear that the "throw it at the wall and see what sticks" method, void of accountability, is a shameful way to conduct law and order.   It would be nice to see SOME level of accountability.

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precisely, and I would have to question the sanity anyone who thinks this is a stupid idea.
Link Posted: 7/29/2014 12:29:47 PM EDT
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A stay was issued by the judge pending appeal.  So you had 1 day that it was legal to carry in DC.  
The drama will continue.  Stay tuned.
Link Posted: 7/29/2014 1:32:07 PM EDT
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A stay was issued by the judge pending appeal.  So you had 1 day that it was legal to carry in DC.  

The drama will continue.  Stay tuned.
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Color me surprised

 



A pro-gun ruling gets put on hold. Anti-gun SAFE goes into effect without any stay. Exactly what I expected. By the time DC gets thru writing rules, NYC will look pro-gun by comparison.  
Link Posted: 7/29/2014 2:38:03 PM EDT
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"Liberty exists wherever I tread."

This is the attitude we must all adopt.  But we must also remember that Liberty must be accompanied by Virtue.
Link Posted: 7/30/2014 5:20:01 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/31/2014 10:54:22 AM EDT
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yes, that was directed to you counselor.  ;)

i mean, anyone who doesnt want more accountability out of our legislators must be off their rocker.. these crooks are as corrupt as they come.  they need to be crippled because they have been crippling the people they are supposed to represent for many, many years.  it would be a breathe of fresh air to have them all ham stringed for a bit.

it doesnt get any simpler than "Shall not be infringed" any law that looks to restrict or limit the Rights of the people to keep and bear arms is an infringement, so there is no need to wait around for scotus to tell us this... we already know it whether anyone else agrees or not.
Link Posted: 7/31/2014 11:25:08 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/31/2014 3:05:59 PM EDT
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  Of course I'd like accountability out of them.  But criminal prosecutions for simply passing a bill - even a bad one - isn't the way to do it.

So you're advocating mob rule?
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yes, that was directed to you counselor.  ;)

i mean, anyone who doesnt want more accountability out of our legislators must be off their rocker.. these crooks are as corrupt as they come.  they need to be crippled because they have been crippling the people they are supposed to represent for many, many years.  it would be a breathe of fresh air to have them all ham stringed for a bit.

it doesnt get any simpler than "Shall not be infringed" any law that looks to restrict or limit the Rights of the people to keep and bear arms is an infringement, so there is no need to wait around for scotus to tell us this... we already know it whether anyone else agrees or not.

  Of course I'd like accountability out of them.  But criminal prosecutions for simply passing a bill - even a bad one - isn't the way to do it.

So you're advocating mob rule?


What if the governor of say, Arizona, was allowed to pass a bill saying blacks, Jews, and latinos were no longer allowed to vote?

Blatantly unconstitutional? Yes. Should they be thrown in jail for passing such a blatantly illegal law? I think so.

Why not blatantly illegal gun laws that clearly spit in the face of SCOTUS and the Constitution?
Link Posted: 8/3/2014 3:30:20 PM EDT
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What if the governor of say, Arizona, was allowed to pass a bill saying blacks, Jews, and latinos were no longer allowed to vote?

Blatantly unconstitutional? Yes. Should they be thrown in jail for passing such a blatantly illegal law? I think so.

Why not blatantly illegal gun laws that clearly spit in the face of SCOTUS and the Constitution?
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Precisely. While, throwing out a single sentence saying they need to be charged criminally lacks detail, the point is that there are certain criteria where this would be an appropriate response.  Other actions could be loss of pension, benefits, and position.

they need to make laws that are in accordance with the Constitution and BoR, as well as SCOTUS decisions, and other relevant court precedence.  They dont need to pass 2000 laws a year when 1999 of them are useless and wasting tax dollars.

let them work for that salary and lifetime pension (which needs to be removed btw) by studying up on laws they propose/pass besides doing it as favors to get votes for other useless laws.  

Our system of government; as designed, is probably the best you could have, but the citizenry got lazy over the last 100+ years.  People got to busy struggling with their own lives and stopped paying attention to politics.  This allowed the greedy manipulators to expand the gov beyond reasonable control and its a runaway train now.  

With the socialists in office at the fed, and our state level they are feeling more embolden than anyone has in many years to push their socialist/progressive agenda, and we need to take this country back.

Link Posted: 8/3/2014 3:55:58 PM EDT
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Precisely. While, throwing out a single sentence saying they need to be charged criminally lacks detail, the point is that there are certain criteria where this would be an appropriate response.  Other actions could be loss of pension, benefits, and position.

they need to make laws that are in accordance with the Constitution and BoR, as well as SCOTUS decisions, and other relevant court precedence.  They dont need to pass 2000 laws a year when 1999 of them are useless and wasting tax dollars.

let them work for that salary and lifetime pension (which needs to be removed btw) by studying up on laws they propose/pass besides doing it as favors to get votes for other useless laws.  

Our system of government; as designed, is probably the best you could have, but the citizenry got lazy over the last 100+ years.  People got to busy struggling with their own lives and stopped paying attention to politics.  This allowed the greedy manipulators to expand the gov beyond reasonable control and its a runaway train now.  

With the socialists in office at the fed, and our state level they are feeling more embolden than anyone has in many years to push their socialist/progressive agenda, and we need to take this country back.

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What if the governor of say, Arizona, was allowed to pass a bill saying blacks, Jews, and latinos were no longer allowed to vote?

Blatantly unconstitutional? Yes. Should they be thrown in jail for passing such a blatantly illegal law? I think so.

Why not blatantly illegal gun laws that clearly spit in the face of SCOTUS and the Constitution?

Precisely. While, throwing out a single sentence saying they need to be charged criminally lacks detail, the point is that there are certain criteria where this would be an appropriate response.  Other actions could be loss of pension, benefits, and position.

they need to make laws that are in accordance with the Constitution and BoR, as well as SCOTUS decisions, and other relevant court precedence.  They dont need to pass 2000 laws a year when 1999 of them are useless and wasting tax dollars.

let them work for that salary and lifetime pension (which needs to be removed btw) by studying up on laws they propose/pass besides doing it as favors to get votes for other useless laws.  

Our system of government; as designed, is probably the best you could have, but the citizenry got lazy over the last 100+ years.  People got to busy struggling with their own lives and stopped paying attention to politics.  This allowed the greedy manipulators to expand the gov beyond reasonable control and its a runaway train now.  

With the socialists in office at the fed, and our state level they are feeling more embolden than anyone has in many years to push their socialist/progressive agenda, and we need to take this country back.



Everyone who passes an unconstitutional law should be prosecuted for violating civil rights under color of law.
Let them defend themselves in court (on their own dime) & try to prove reasonable doubt to a jury.
I bet all of a sudden this problem would fix itself.
Link Posted: 8/3/2014 4:49:22 PM EDT
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BushBoar - you have a much better understanding of law than 90% of the HTF (Lawbook cage match with Aimless?) - do you have any ideas for accountability measures that still allow the legislature to function as it was intended?
Link Posted: 8/4/2014 4:59:24 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/4/2014 8:20:34 AM EDT
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  Well, elections are intended to be the means by which we hold legislators accountable.
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BushBoar - you have a much better understanding of law than 90% of the HTF (Lawbook cage match with Aimless?) - do you have any ideas for accountability measures that still allow the legislature to function as it was intended?

  Well, elections are intended to be the means by which we hold legislators accountable.


So, what you are saying is that you really have no good ideas.


ETA:  No offense intended.
Link Posted: 8/4/2014 9:49:49 AM EDT
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So, what you are saying is that you really have no good ideas.
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BushBoar - you have a much better understanding of law than 90% of the HTF (Lawbook cage match with Aimless?) - do you have any ideas for accountability measures that still allow the legislature to function as it was intended?

  Well, elections are intended to be the means by which we hold legislators accountable.


So, what you are saying is that you really have no good ideas.


Term limits.  You look at the worst of the worst the NY Legislature has to offer and it's all a bunch of career politicians on the take, starting with Sheldon Silver.
Link Posted: 8/4/2014 1:15:28 PM EDT
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Term limits would be a good place to start.  Career politicians and family dynasties are anathema to even semi honest governance.  The Founders never envisioned that a new ruling class of career politicians would arise to take the place of the overthrown royalty.  They must be rolling in their collective graves at what this Country has become.
Link Posted: 8/5/2014 2:45:40 AM EDT
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He urged Mayor Vincent Gray, a Democrat, and the Democrat-controlled City Council to “swiftly enact a concealed carry law that protects the rights of law abiding citizens to protect themselves.”

OK, so this guy is now begging DC for permission to carry? Rights don't need a permission slip. We already have a law that protects the rights of citizens to protect themselves.....the Constitution itself! This isn't the big deal it may appear to be, IMHO.

D.C. is NOT a state- rather it is a federal district, so there is no "incorporation" exercised here.
Link Posted: 8/6/2014 4:44:48 AM EDT
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Term limits.  You look at the worst of the worst the NY Legislature has to offer and it's all a bunch of career politicians on the take, starting with Sheldon Silver.
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RECALL ELECTIONS!

Look at what happened in Co.  they passed anti Liberty/Constitution/2a laws and they held a recall election and gave the fucking boot to those traitors!

We need the ability to keep them in check.  If we had recall elections they would be much more timid in their approach to passing laws that touched on Constitutional issues.


Also, without any shadow of a doubt we need term limits.. no more feinsteins, schumers, silvers, etc....  how in the freaking world do we not have term limits for legislators!?  how can these people make a career out of being a legislator, it was not designed to be that way, but they control the media, and they control the sheeple.


campaign finance is another thing we need.  I dont claim to have all the answers, but what if there was a financial cap that limited how much campaign money someone is allowed to have. once that cap is reached, thats it!   we cant have people like cumhole having 35  million in his "war chest" because people are paying for him to stay in office...  that really hurts the process, and the intent of fair elections.  its very difficult to compete with that when your in a blue state like NY.  Astorino doesnt have nearly enough, so how is that fair?  if everyone had a cap of say, 10 million, or 8 million... whatever... at least it can be fair so they have the same chance to use that money to campaign and reach the people..

then, on top of campaign money, you get the incumbent using his position to virtually campaign for himself like this bullshit "start up NY" program... this is campaigning using our tax dollars... we cant allow that stuff.


lastly, there needs to be a system in place that if legislators pass clearly unconstitutional laws that they are held accountable whether it be criminal or civil punishments.   perhaps any laws that touch on Constitutional issues need judicial review before taking effect.  that way the burden isnt on the citizenry to spend millions of their own dollars to fight an unjust law, that was passed by corrupt legislators, with agendas, who vote on these laws in the middle of the night under a message of necessity...  or maybe a combination of all of this.  

one thing is for certain, we need to change the current system because the corrupt politicians are holding all the cards with very little in the way of checks and balances.  saying that the ballot box is our system of checks and balances is a false check because when there are no recall elections, no term limits, very loose campaign finance controls, the system is rigged to keep those who are in power, in power.   its far easier for incumbents to keep their place than to get someone new and thats not how it was intended to be.  hence the importance of the cartridge box, however; no one wants it to ever get that far so we need changes so that we actually have a fighting chance at the ballot box.
Link Posted: 8/6/2014 4:51:00 AM EDT
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Term limits would be a good place to start.  Career politicians and family dynasties are anathema to even semi honest governance.  The Founders never envisioned that a new ruling class of career politicians would arise to take the place of the overthrown royalty.  They must be rolling in their collective graves at what this Country has become.
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very well said!
Link Posted: 8/6/2014 5:03:17 AM EDT
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  Well, elections are intended to be the means by which we hold legislators accountable.
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BushBoar - you have a much better understanding of law than 90% of the HTF (Lawbook cage match with Aimless?) - do you have any ideas for accountability measures that still allow the legislature to function as it was intended?

  Well, elections are intended to be the means by which we hold legislators accountable.



Marion Barry.  Charlie Rangel.    Even Yee in California, under federal indictment, got 10% of the vote.

Clearly, election accountability does not work for some constituencies.
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