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Posted: 3/22/2014 12:31:27 PM EDT
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The way I see it, the more options out there for guys to keep building rifles, the better. Everyone has their order of what is most important to them. Some want the ability to have a detachable mag. Others want the rifle to look as much like an AR as possible. I did this because I was asked to help.Frank was relentless. When I did the FAB10 for us Calif guys back in 2001, all I faced was negativity and opposition. Damn near gave up but I didn't. I could not even get some of the major manufacturers to sell me handguards for crying out loud. It seemed to me we were being punished by some for something we never voted for. To this day I remember those Companies and I will not buy shit from them. At last count, there are 50 states in this country and we need to stick together. It is important to keep the tradition of owning and building firearms alive. When Frank called, I remembered there wasn't anyone there for me or us, so since I have some experience in this I thought that maybe I could do a little more than just pay my dues to the NRA. I am just the facilitator. It is up to Frank how he wants to go forward with it. It is only right that an NY'er make those decisions. I will see to it that they get made. If it gets beyond my capabilities, there are other options I have. Craig
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Posted: 3/22/2014 1:35:02 PM EDT
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I would love to see this come to market. the more options we have the better off we are. as its been said some of us are not in a position to move, that shouldn't mean we cant enjoy shooting
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Posted: 3/22/2014 1:41:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The way I see it, the more options out there for guys to keep building rifles, the better. Everyone has their order of what is most important to them. Some want the ability to have a detachable mag. Others want the rifle to look as much like an AR as possible. I did this because I was asked to help.Frank was relentless. When I did the FAB10 for us Calif guys back in 2001, all I faced was negativity and opposition. Damn near gave up but I didn't. I could not even get some of the major manufacturers to sell me handguards for crying out loud. It seemed to me we were being punished by some for something we never voted for. To this day I remember those Companies and I will not buy shit from them. At last count, there are 50 states in this country and we need to stick together. It is important to keep the tradition of owning and building firearms alive. When Frank called, I remembered there wasn't anyone there for me or us, so since I have some experience in this I thought that maybe I could do a little more than just pay my dues to the NRA. I am just the facilitator. It is up to Frank how he wants to go forward with it. It is only right that an NY'er make those decisions. I will see to it that they get made. If it gets beyond my capabilities, there are other options I have. Craig  |
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Posted: 3/22/2014 1:55:13 PM EDT
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Thanks, Craig, for your assistance with all of this. Many of us appreciate it.
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Posted: 3/22/2014 1:57:01 PM EDT
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The way I see it, the more options out there for guys to keep building rifles, the better. Everyone has their order of what is most important to them. Some want the ability to have a detachable mag. Others want the rifle to look as much like an AR as possible. I did this because I was asked to help.Frank was relentless. When I did the FAB10 for us Calif guys back in 2001, all I faced was negativity and opposition. Damn near gave up but I didn't. I could not even get some of the major manufacturers to sell me handguards for crying out loud. It seemed to me we were being punished by some for something we never voted for. To this day I remember those Companies and I will not buy shit from them. At last count, there are 50 states in this country and we need to stick together. It is important to keep the tradition of owning and building firearms alive. When Frank called, I remembered there wasn't anyone there for me or us, so since I have some experience in this I thought that maybe I could do a little more than just pay my dues to the NRA. I am just the facilitator. It is up to Frank how he wants to go forward with it. It is only right that an NY'er make those decisions. I will see to it that they get made. If it gets beyond my capabilities, there are other options I have. Craig Well, if no one steps up to the plate......THANK YOU!! Your work is appreciated.....and Frank's persistence. I like the design, it seems to hit the mark and improves (IMHO) upon your previous work. Namely by the ability to load w/o pulling pins and tilting the upper. Further being able to "dump" the mag, or restrict it for hunting are a big plus. The voices of opposition always seem loudest, screw them, you have the correct attitude. We ARE in this together and sowing the seeds for future gun enthusiasts/builders is one of the things most in jeopardy with these restrictive statutes. Carry on Edit: OK, the appreciation starting coming while I was typing.... |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 7:43:45 AM EDT
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Any updates possible on this?
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Posted: 4/9/2014 12:51:16 PM EDT
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I will have an update shortly.
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Posted: 4/9/2014 4:58:17 PM EDT
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Yeah they originally claimed they had a letter. I have no idea what to believe. I agree it's extremely shady. |
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Posted: 5/19/2014 6:13:03 AM EDT
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Any updates? I have cash in hand to prepay for a few, especially if I can get one marked "pistol."
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Posted: 5/19/2014 4:47:31 PM EDT
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Same here. I would even prepay. Of all of the workarounds out there, this is the only one I feel comfortable with. YMMV. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd definitely be in for 1 or 2 of these in the $100-125 price range. Maybe 2-3. Same here. I would even prepay. Of all of the workarounds out there, this is the only one I feel comfortable with. YMMV. I'd buy a few, prepayment is fine by me. |
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Posted: 5/20/2014 11:10:27 AM EDT
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Hm... now if someone could invent a quick-release-realoading floorplate, we'd be all set.
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Posted: 5/24/2014 9:27:25 PM EDT
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Bump for update.
olds442 has been online...
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Posted: 7/14/2014 9:52:43 AM EDT
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Bump again.
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Posted: 7/15/2014 1:32:28 PM EDT
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Bump again. Just updated here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_9/562384_So_what_are_the_fixed_mag_kit_options_for_ARs_.html&page=2 Sorry again for the delay on updating. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 5:02:53 PM EDT
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Just updated here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_9/562384_So_what_are_the_fixed_mag_kit_options_for_ARs_.html&page=2 Sorry again for the delay on updating. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bump again. Just updated here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_9/562384_So_what_are_the_fixed_mag_kit_options_for_ARs_.html&page=2 Sorry again for the delay on updating. Cross post from the other thread: Ah, I understand how this works as a legal AR pistol. The SAFE Act pretty much bans any semi-auto pistol that accepts detachable magazines where the magazine is inserted in a place other than the pistol grip. This does not meet that definition because the magazine is FIXED, so it doesn't matter where the magazine loads. Sounds awesome. Can we see video of loading the magazine, please? |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:27:04 PM EDT
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Cross post from the other thread: Ah, I understand how this works as a legal AR pistol. The SAFE Act pretty much bans any semi-auto pistol that accepts detachable magazines where the magazine is inserted in a place other than the pistol grip. This does not meet that definition because the magazine is FIXED, so it doesn't matter where the magazine loads. Sounds awesome. Can we see video of loading the magazine, please? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bump again. Just updated here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_9/562384_So_what_are_the_fixed_mag_kit_options_for_ARs_.html&page=2 Sorry again for the delay on updating. Cross post from the other thread: Ah, I understand how this works as a legal AR pistol. The SAFE Act pretty much bans any semi-auto pistol that accepts detachable magazines where the magazine is inserted in a place other than the pistol grip. This does not meet that definition because the magazine is FIXED, so it doesn't matter where the magazine loads. Sounds awesome. Can we see video of loading the magazine, please? I will try to post a video later tonight. Okay, I did a video with my cell phone, but have no idea how to post it. Some help would be greatly appreciated. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:51:10 PM EDT
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This is great, I will absolutely purchase a few as soon as they are available.
Please tell me there's & AR10 Version in the works 
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Posted: 8/23/2014 1:30:55 AM EDT
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While I applaud the OP and his ingenuity in attempting to get around the Unsafe Act, I am more than a little worried that the State will close this overlooked "loophole" in the next round of "common sense" gun control measures. How many members here spent lots of money of previously legal preban items in an effort to comply with the Pataki "assault weapon" ban? If the Dims take control of the Senate as predicted no semi auto will be safe and if the unthinkable happens and someone takes a shot at the ruling class expect them to go full retard in an effort to disarm us. You don't need ten bullets to kill a deeah!
I freaking need to get out of this shithole of a state! |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 5:22:44 AM EDT
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While I applaud the OP and his ingenuity in attempting to get around the Unsafe Act, I am more than a little worried that the State will close this overlooked "loophole" in the next round of "common sense" gun control measures. How many members here spent lots of money of previously legal preban items in an effort to comply with the Pataki "assault weapon" ban? If the Dims take control of the Senate as predicted no semi auto will be safe and if the unthinkable happens and someone takes a shot at the ruling class expect them to go full retard in an effort to disarm us. You don't need ten bullets to kill a deeah! I freaking need to get out of this shithole of a state! I somewhat understand what you're saying, but what you see as an attempt to "get around the Unsafe act" I see as simply complying with the new law. I'm not sure I understand what you're referring to when you say "overlooked loophole" What we have now is a features ban on all semi-auto rifles with detachable magazines and all we did was take out the detachable magazine to comply with the law. Once assembled and accompanied by a semi-auto upper half, this will be a semi-auto rifle. This is not the only option out there, but it gives everyone a way to utilize their upper halves that have banned features like bayonet lugs, flash hiders and muzzle brakes and still comply with this new law. At the same time it allows you to load your rifle without breaking open the action. Now if I can just figure out how to post a video. |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 6:12:34 AM EDT
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I somewhat understand what you're saying, but what you see as an attempt to "get around the Unsafe act" I see as simply complying with the new law. I'm not sure I understand what you're referring to when you say "overlooked loophole" What we have now is a features ban on all semi-auto rifles with detachable magazines and all we did was take out the detachable magazine to comply with the law. Once assembled and accompanied by a semi-auto upper half, this will be a semi-auto rifle. This is not the only option out there, but it gives everyone a way to utilize their upper halves that have banned features like bayonet lugs, flash hiders and muzzle brakes and still comply with this new law. At the same time it allows you to load your rifle without breaking open the action. Now if I can just figure out how to post a video. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While I applaud the OP and his ingenuity in attempting to get around the Unsafe Act, I am more than a little worried that the State will close this overlooked "loophole" in the next round of "common sense" gun control measures. How many members here spent lots of money of previously legal preban items in an effort to comply with the Pataki "assault weapon" ban? If the Dims take control of the Senate as predicted no semi auto will be safe and if the unthinkable happens and someone takes a shot at the ruling class expect them to go full retard in an effort to disarm us. You don't need ten bullets to kill a deeah! I freaking need to get out of this shithole of a state! I somewhat understand what you're saying, but what you see as an attempt to "get around the Unsafe act" I see as simply complying with the new law. I'm not sure I understand what you're referring to when you say "overlooked loophole" What we have now is a features ban on all semi-auto rifles with detachable magazines and all we did was take out the detachable magazine to comply with the law. Once assembled and accompanied by a semi-auto upper half, this will be a semi-auto rifle. This is not the only option out there, but it gives everyone a way to utilize their upper halves that have banned features like bayonet lugs, flash hiders and muzzle brakes and still comply with this new law. At the same time it allows you to load your rifle without breaking open the action. Now if I can just figure out how to post a video. I have never posted a video here, but I can guess you have to first post the video to a host like YouTube, then click on the video link on the "insert tags" line here & paste the link. |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 6:15:52 AM EDT
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I have never posted a video here, but I can guess you have to first post the video to a host like YouTube, then click on the video link on the "insert tags" line here & paste the link. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While I applaud the OP and his ingenuity in attempting to get around the Unsafe Act, I am more than a little worried that the State will close this overlooked "loophole" in the next round of "common sense" gun control measures. How many members here spent lots of money of previously legal preban items in an effort to comply with the Pataki "assault weapon" ban? If the Dims take control of the Senate as predicted no semi auto will be safe and if the unthinkable happens and someone takes a shot at the ruling class expect them to go full retard in an effort to disarm us. You don't need ten bullets to kill a deeah! I freaking need to get out of this shithole of a state! I somewhat understand what you're saying, but what you see as an attempt to "get around the Unsafe act" I see as simply complying with the new law. I'm not sure I understand what you're referring to when you say "overlooked loophole" What we have now is a features ban on all semi-auto rifles with detachable magazines and all we did was take out the detachable magazine to comply with the law. Once assembled and accompanied by a semi-auto upper half, this will be a semi-auto rifle. This is not the only option out there, but it gives everyone a way to utilize their upper halves that have banned features like bayonet lugs, flash hiders and muzzle brakes and still comply with this new law. At the same time it allows you to load your rifle without breaking open the action. Now if I can just figure out how to post a video. I have never posted a video here, but I can guess you have to first post the video to a host like YouTube, then click on the video link on the "insert tags" line here & paste the link. I'll try that, thanks. |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 6:35:46 AM EDT
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Okay, this is my first time doing this so I hope it works. Not the best video, but you can get an idea of how simple it is to load.
http://youtu.be/nqwc8RrfWIE |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 7:12:26 AM EDT
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I somewhat understand what you're saying, but what you see as an attempt to "get around the Unsafe act" I see as simply complying with the new law. I'm not sure I understand what you're referring to when you say "overlooked loophole" What we have now is a features ban on all semi-auto rifles with detachable magazines and all we did was take out the detachable magazine to comply with the law. Once assembled and accompanied by a semi-auto upper half, this will be a semi-auto rifle. This is not the only option out there, but it gives everyone a way to utilize their upper halves that have banned features like bayonet lugs, flash hiders and muzzle brakes and still comply with this new law. At the same time it allows you to load your rifle without breaking open the action. Now if I can just figure out how to post a video. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While I applaud the OP and his ingenuity in attempting to get around the Unsafe Act, I am more than a little worried that the State will close this overlooked "loophole" in the next round of "common sense" gun control measures. How many members here spent lots of money of previously legal preban items in an effort to comply with the Pataki "assault weapon" ban? If the Dims take control of the Senate as predicted no semi auto will be safe and if the unthinkable happens and someone takes a shot at the ruling class expect them to go full retard in an effort to disarm us. You don't need ten bullets to kill a deeah! I freaking need to get out of this shithole of a state! I somewhat understand what you're saying, but what you see as an attempt to "get around the Unsafe act" I see as simply complying with the new law. I'm not sure I understand what you're referring to when you say "overlooked loophole" What we have now is a features ban on all semi-auto rifles with detachable magazines and all we did was take out the detachable magazine to comply with the law. Once assembled and accompanied by a semi-auto upper half, this will be a semi-auto rifle. This is not the only option out there, but it gives everyone a way to utilize their upper halves that have banned features like bayonet lugs, flash hiders and muzzle brakes and still comply with this new law. At the same time it allows you to load your rifle without breaking open the action. Now if I can just figure out how to post a video. Olds, In short, what Bushman is saying is that the legislature's next step is simply to ban all magazine fed semi-auto guns. Period. Think they can't do it? Well they, with the stroke of Governor (Fuck Be Upon Him) Cuomo's pen, declared many our previously legal items contraband. Sell out of state, destroy or turn in. End of story. |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 7:28:31 AM EDT
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Olds, In short, what Bushman is saying is that the legislature's next step is simply to ban all magazine fed semi-auto guns. Period. Think they can't do it? Well they, with the stroke of Governor (Fuck Be Upon Him) Cuomo's pen, declared many our previously legal items contraband. Sell out of state, destroy or turn in. End of story. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While I applaud the OP and his ingenuity in attempting to get around the Unsafe Act, I am more than a little worried that the State will close this overlooked "loophole" in the next round of "common sense" gun control measures. How many members here spent lots of money of previously legal preban items in an effort to comply with the Pataki "assault weapon" ban? If the Dims take control of the Senate as predicted no semi auto will be safe and if the unthinkable happens and someone takes a shot at the ruling class expect them to go full retard in an effort to disarm us. You don't need ten bullets to kill a deeah! I freaking need to get out of this shithole of a state! I somewhat understand what you're saying, but what you see as an attempt to "get around the Unsafe act" I see as simply complying with the new law. I'm not sure I understand what you're referring to when you say "overlooked loophole" What we have now is a features ban on all semi-auto rifles with detachable magazines and all we did was take out the detachable magazine to comply with the law. Once assembled and accompanied by a semi-auto upper half, this will be a semi-auto rifle. This is not the only option out there, but it gives everyone a way to utilize their upper halves that have banned features like bayonet lugs, flash hiders and muzzle brakes and still comply with this new law. At the same time it allows you to load your rifle without breaking open the action. Now if I can just figure out how to post a video. Olds, In short, what Bushman is saying is that the legislature's next step is simply to ban all magazine fed semi-auto guns. Period. Think they can't do it? Well they, with the stroke of Governor (Fuck Be Upon Him) Cuomo's pen, declared many our previously legal items contraband. Sell out of state, destroy or turn in. End of story. I do understand what he is saying, but what should we do in the meantime? Should we take up bowling, so we won't have to worry about them banning bowling balls in the near future. Is everyone going to sell their semi-auto magazine fed rifles, just in case somewhere down the road they are banned. No, what we do is improvise and adapt to the current situation. Like I said before, this option is not for everyone. Whoever wants to throw in the towel should do so and move on to something else that isn't in the their sights for banning in the future. |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 7:31:26 AM EDT
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I hear you bro, and do genuinely appreciate your ingenuity.
ETA: A lot of us are really just jaded, after we paid exorbitant prices for things, in an effort to comply with the law, only to be bent over and fucked dry later. |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 8:02:41 AM EDT
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I hear you bro, and do genuinely appreciate your ingenuity. ETA: A lot of us are really just jaded, after we paid exorbitant prices for things, in an effort to comply with the law, only to be bent over and fucked dry later. I'm in the same boat as everyone else, been there done that. I can't predict the future, so we're just giving everybody another option for today. Believe me when I tell you, we are not in this for the money, the profit margin on this is very small. This is a brand new billet lower that comes with a ten round mag. We tried our best to come in at a decent price so it's affordable and we were able to just be above breaking even. Craig is all for keeping the guys doing what they love doing and in a configuration that still looks like an ar15. I do appreciate the feedback, but I was more hoping it would be about the product, not the environment we live in. We still have ability to improve the product if necessary, but sadly not the other. |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 8:12:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hear you bro, and do genuinely appreciate your ingenuity. ETA: A lot of us are really just jaded, after we paid exorbitant prices for things, in an effort to comply with the law, only to be bent over and fucked dry later. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 5:01:05 AM EDT
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Just found this New York section, so I apologize for my late response.
I drew something like this up earlier in the summer (I was a MechE in my earlier life), but didn't have the time to do anything with the idea, so I'm really glad to see someone actually made one. Looks great! Any chance of getting one with a five-round capacity? City of Rochester doesn't differentiate between fixed and detachable magazines when it comes to their five-round limit for rifles. Otherwise, I would have to look at pinning one or epoxying in one of those Magpul limiters. Unfortunately, I don't have a pistol permit, because they have a 17-round limit on those magazines (NY's 10-round requirement becomes the limiting factor.) |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 10:30:21 AM EDT
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Just found this New York section, so I apologize for my late response. I drew something like this up earlier in the summer (I was a MechE in my earlier life), but didn't have the time to do anything with the idea, so I'm really glad to see someone actually made one. Looks great! Any chance of getting one with a five-round capacity? City of Rochester doesn't differentiate between fixed and detachable magazines when it comes to their five-round limit for rifles. Otherwise, I would have to look at pinning one or epoxying in one of those Magpul limiters. Unfortunately, I don't have a pistol permit, because they have a 17-round limit on those magazines (NY's 10-round requirement becomes the limiting factor.) For now you're just going to have to block it. We'll see how these go and make some decisions further down the road about making changes. |
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