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Posted: 1/10/2014 8:03:21 PM EST
I handled one t the shop. Seems to me if you hold your trigger finger against the receiver, and fire with your middle finger rather than the trigger finger, it would be more stable. Anybody try this? My ARs are going out of state because they are all preban, and making them compliant is too great and xpensive a headache, bu an AR with a crowned barrel and a spur might be an option.
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Link Posted: 1/10/2014 8:29:13 PM EST
Most of my grip has always been left hand so I don't find it to be bad.
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Link Posted: 1/10/2014 8:33:55 PM EST
Honestly I think more people will go the fixed mag route. Only because the majority of ARs in NY don't have target crowns because they have a pinned and welded muzzle device, and adding a spur grip to a post 94 configuration still = AW in NY. But if you are showing up to the game late, post Unsafe Act and buying a compliant (less ergonomic and neutered) AR, than this is definitely an option for a range only gun.

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Link Posted: 1/10/2014 8:45:53 PM EST
I think the jury is out on pinned and welded, I know what people are saying about threads under the brake. However if the job was done right, I would think the threads would be destroyed removing the brake. The problem ith the fixed mag is how do you o it that will be coveted. The State Police aren't issuing guidance.

I think I'll likely just stick with my Mini 14. Trying to make an exiting AR compliant is a nightmare.
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Link Posted: 1/10/2014 9:29:04 PM EST
Just saw the spur, and what about cutting a grip down as short as possible instead?

Fixed mag should do it, but until State police release specific guidance, we can only guess what makes a non "Violent Killing Machine".

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Just saw the spur, and what about cutting a grip down as short as possible instead?

Fixed mag should do it, but until State police release specific guidance, we can only guess what makes a non "Violent Killing Machine".

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For what the Spur costs ($25 at the local shop) just easier to buy it and have nice rounded edges.
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For what the Spur costs ($25 at the local shop) just easier to buy it and have nice rounded edges.
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Just saw the spur, and what about cutting a grip down as short as possible instead?

Fixed mag should do it, but until State police release specific guidance, we can only guess what makes a non "Violent Killing Machine".

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For what the Spur costs ($25 at the local shop) just easier to buy it and have nice rounded edges.


Easy enough to grind and sand the edges to any smooth shape you want.
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Isn't there some requirement that the grip be "permanently" attached, too? I just can't seem to keep up with all this.
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Isn't there some requirement that the grip be "permanently" attached, too? I just can't seem to keep up with all this.
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No. Is there a requirement for you to permanently attach your stock to your 10/22?

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I have one, I tried it and with a light weight rifle it is fine. It also works well shooting a heavy rifle off a bench.


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I'm of the mind that if you wanted to make an AR compliant, the funky spur is the better option over a fixed mag. It's ugly, sure, but the fixed mag seems to have no other purpose than to keep the rifle "looking cool." Functionally, breaking the rifle open to load it seems cumbersome and reduces it's effectiveness beyond range work.

But that's just me.

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That's the confusion I'm reading as well. Because the grip is screwed in, there's a concern that the rifle will be readily converted back to incompliant rather than permanent. I'm gonna wait as time goes by to see what they come up with after April. If no go, maybe I'll just let my bro take them to his new home in the south.
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I'm of the mind that if you wanted to make an AR compliant, the funky spur is the better option over a fixed mag. It's ugly, sure, but the fixed mag seems to have no other purpose than to keep the rifle "looking cool." Functionally, breaking the rifle open to load it seems cumbersome and reduces it's effectiveness beyond range work.

But that's just me.
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MR2 is the only way to take advantage of the recent PSA deals, $280 M4 upper and the $39 M4 stock on a new lower...all GTG if built as a non detachable mag rifle.

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Easy enough to grind and sand the edges to any smooth shape you want.
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Just saw the spur, and what about cutting a grip down as short as possible instead?

Fixed mag should do it, but until State police release specific guidance, we can only guess what makes a non "Violent Killing Machine".

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For what the Spur costs ($25 at the local shop) just easier to buy it and have nice rounded edges.


Easy enough to grind and sand the edges to any smooth shape you want.

Sure, if you have the tools handy. My Dremel died and I'd rather not buy a new one just for this.
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MR2 is the only way to take advantage of the recent PSA deals, $280 M4 upper and the $39 M4 stock on a new lower...all GTG if built as a non detachable mag rifle.
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I'm of the mind that if you wanted to make an AR compliant, the funky spur is the better option over a fixed mag. It's ugly, sure, but the fixed mag seems to have no other purpose than to keep the rifle "looking cool." Functionally, breaking the rifle open to load it seems cumbersome and reduces it's effectiveness beyond range work.

But that's just me.


MR2 is the only way to take advantage of the recent PSA deals, $280 M4 upper and the $39 M4 stock on a new lower...all GTG if built as a non detachable mag rifle.

The MR2 seems rather dicey to me personally.
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The MR2 seems rather dicey to me personally.
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I'm of the mind that if you wanted to make an AR compliant, the funky spur is the better option over a fixed mag. It's ugly, sure, but the fixed mag seems to have no other purpose than to keep the rifle "looking cool." Functionally, breaking the rifle open to load it seems cumbersome and reduces it's effectiveness beyond range work.

But that's just me.


MR2 is the only way to take advantage of the recent PSA deals, $280 M4 upper and the $39 M4 stock on a new lower...all GTG if built as a non detachable mag rifle.

The MR2 seems rather dicey to me personally.


The FFL's selling rifles with it installed do not seem to worry.

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The FFL's selling rifles with it installed do not seem to worry.
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I'm of the mind that if you wanted to make an AR compliant, the funky spur is the better option over a fixed mag. It's ugly, sure, but the fixed mag seems to have no other purpose than to keep the rifle "looking cool." Functionally, breaking the rifle open to load it seems cumbersome and reduces it's effectiveness beyond range work.

But that's just me.


MR2 is the only way to take advantage of the recent PSA deals, $280 M4 upper and the $39 M4 stock on a new lower...all GTG if built as a non detachable mag rifle.

The MR2 seems rather dicey to me personally.


The FFL's selling rifles with it installed do not seem to worry.


That's fined that doesn't mean that the state considers it to be acceptable. I have a huge beef with the fact the NYSP say making a rile compliant is an acceptable alternative to registration... Yet will not provide definitive guidance on what constitutes compliant.
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That's fined that doesn't mean that the state considers it to be acceptable. I have a huge beef with the fact the NYSP say making a rile compliant is an acceptable alternative to registration... Yet will not provide definitive guidance on what constitutes compliant.
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I'm of the mind that if you wanted to make an AR compliant, the funky spur is the better option over a fixed mag. It's ugly, sure, but the fixed mag seems to have no other purpose than to keep the rifle "looking cool." Functionally, breaking the rifle open to load it seems cumbersome and reduces it's effectiveness beyond range work.

But that's just me.


MR2 is the only way to take advantage of the recent PSA deals, $280 M4 upper and the $39 M4 stock on a new lower...all GTG if built as a non detachable mag rifle.

The MR2 seems rather dicey to me personally.


The FFL's selling rifles with it installed do not seem to worry.


That's fined that doesn't mean that the state considers it to be acceptable. I have a huge beef with the fact the NYSP say making a rile compliant is an acceptable alternative to registration... Yet will not provide definitive guidance on what constitutes compliant.

I agree. I love how the only guidance is modifications must be permanent. I can't find this in the law except regarding preban mags. Either it has features or it doesn't.

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I'm of the mind that if you wanted to make an AR compliant, the funky spur is the better option over a fixed mag. It's ugly, sure, but the fixed mag seems to have no other purpose than to keep the rifle "looking cool." Functionally, breaking the rifle open to load it seems cumbersome and reduces it's effectiveness beyond range work.

But that's just me.
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The spur is fine if you have a barrel with a target crown, but if you have a barrel with a muzzle brake or flash hider, the non-detachable mag is your only option to stay compliant and not have to register.

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No. Is there a requirement for you to permanently attach your stock to your 10/22?
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Isn't there some requirement that the grip be "permanently" attached, too? I just can't seem to keep up with all this.


No. Is there a requirement for you to permanently attach your stock to your 10/22?
Prominus, I think you wandered into the wrong HTF. PA's the state without all the cosmetic restrictions. If you read the NY unSAFE Act, there are still many "restrictions" whose compliance is open to interpretation. As already mentioned, guidance to protect from running afoul of these new laws is in short supply. I'm not the only person reading the caveats about "readily" changing its meaning depending upon with whom you speak.

This is straight from the NYS website FAQs for the unSAFE Act.
Q. If I modify my gun by removing all design characteristics that makes it an assault weapon, do I have to register it?
A. No. If you modify your gun so that it is not an assault weapon, you do not have to register it. The modification must be permanent however. This includes, for example, removing the bayonet lug by cutting or grinding, grinding off the threads on the barrel, removing the foregrip so that it cannot be readily reattached, or any change that cannot be reversed through reasonable means.
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Frs makes a nice stock to. I held one it was comfortable.

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Prominus, I think you wandered into the wrong HTF. PA's the state without all the cosmetic restrictions. If you read the NY unSAFE Act, there are still many "restrictions" whose compliance is open to interpretation. As already mentioned, guidance to protect from running afoul of these new laws is in short supply. I'm not the only person reading the caveats about "readily" changing its meaning depending upon with whom you speak.

This is straight from the NYS website FAQs for the unSAFE Act.
Q. If I modify my gun by removing all design characteristics that makes it an assault weapon, do I have to register it?
A. No. If you modify your gun so that it is not an assault weapon, you do not have to register it. The modification must be permanent however. This includes, for example, removing the bayonet lug by cutting or grinding, grinding off the threads on the barrel, removing the foregrip so that it cannot be readily reattached, or any change that cannot be reversed through reasonable means.
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Isn't there some requirement that the grip be "permanently" attached, too? I just can't seem to keep up with all this.


No. Is there a requirement for you to permanently attach your stock to your 10/22?
Prominus, I think you wandered into the wrong HTF. PA's the state without all the cosmetic restrictions. If you read the NY unSAFE Act, there are still many "restrictions" whose compliance is open to interpretation. As already mentioned, guidance to protect from running afoul of these new laws is in short supply. I'm not the only person reading the caveats about "readily" changing its meaning depending upon with whom you speak.

This is straight from the NYS website FAQs for the unSAFE Act.
Q. If I modify my gun by removing all design characteristics that makes it an assault weapon, do I have to register it?
A. No. If you modify your gun so that it is not an assault weapon, you do not have to register it. The modification must be permanent however. This includes, for example, removing the bayonet lug by cutting or grinding, grinding off the threads on the barrel, removing the foregrip so that it cannot be readily reattached, or any change that cannot be reversed through reasonable means.


Don't rely on the website for legal advice!!! The actual law says nothing about permanent.

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Prominus, I think you wandered into the wrong HTF. PA's the state without all the cosmetic restrictions. If you read the NY unSAFE Act, there are still many "restrictions" whose compliance is open to interpretation. As already mentioned, guidance to protect from running afoul of these new laws is in short supply. I'm not the only person reading the caveats about "readily" changing its meaning depending upon with whom you speak.

This is straight from the NYS website FAQs for the unSAFE Act.
Q. If I modify my gun by removing all design characteristics that makes it an assault weapon, do I have to register it?
A. No. If you modify your gun so that it is not an assault weapon, you do not have to register it. The modification must be permanent however. This includes, for example, removing the bayonet lug by cutting or grinding, grinding off the threads on the barrel, removing the foregrip so that it cannot be readily reattached, or any change that cannot be reversed through reasonable means.
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Isn't there some requirement that the grip be "permanently" attached, too? I just can't seem to keep up with all this.


No. Is there a requirement for you to permanently attach your stock to your 10/22?
Prominus, I think you wandered into the wrong HTF. PA's the state without all the cosmetic restrictions. If you read the NY unSAFE Act, there are still many "restrictions" whose compliance is open to interpretation. As already mentioned, guidance to protect from running afoul of these new laws is in short supply. I'm not the only person reading the caveats about "readily" changing its meaning depending upon with whom you speak.

This is straight from the NYS website FAQs for the unSAFE Act.
Q. If I modify my gun by removing all design characteristics that makes it an assault weapon, do I have to register it?
A. No. If you modify your gun so that it is not an assault weapon, you do not have to register it. The modification must be permanent however. This includes, for example, removing the bayonet lug by cutting or grinding, grinding off the threads on the barrel, removing the foregrip so that it cannot be readily reattached, or any change that cannot be reversed through reasonable means.


It's a good thing there is a disclaimer on the Safe Act website that says do not use this as legal advice. That would be because it is incorrect. No where in the law does it say anything needs to be permanent except for taking a pre ban 10+ round magazines down to 10 rounds or less. It takes 1 screw and 10 seconds to turn an Ruger-10/22 into an assault weapon. Along with a multitude of other firearms that can be made un compliant within seconds.

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If you unknowingly violate they will give you 30 days to register. I think any court would find that an MR2 or Spur would be perceived as unknowingly
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Sure, if you have the tools handy. My Dremel died and I'd rather not buy a new one just for this.
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Just saw the spur, and what about cutting a grip down as short as possible instead?

Fixed mag should do it, but until State police release specific guidance, we can only guess what makes a non "Violent Killing Machine".

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For what the Spur costs ($25 at the local shop) just easier to buy it and have nice rounded edges.


Easy enough to grind and sand the edges to any smooth shape you want.

Sure, if you have the tools handy. My Dremel died and I'd rather not buy a new one just for this.


You can afford it!

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I got Chicago tools brand. Meant for little use. Go with the HBT if you feel that way.
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