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Posted: 6/29/2012 9:20:17 PM

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C&R license has been approved and has arrived

Being a newb to this process, I realize I have to provide a copy to any online stores that I would like to purchase a curio or relic from. I also understand that I should keep a detailed record of who, what, when, cost and dates for each firearm I purchase and receive.

Trying not to ask legal questions... but seeking advise from those who have and had a C&R.
1- When selling a firearm that I obtained with this license, it must be sold at the same cost or less that I purchased it. Anything I need to do other than document who I sold it to and for how much?
2- If I decide at a later time to gift a firearm to someone, is that acceptable?
3- Do all rules expire when my license expires?

Thanks!
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Posted: 6/29/2012 9:53:11 PM
Originally Posted By WranglerJK:
C&R license has been approved and has arrived

Being a newb to this process, I realize I have to provide a copy to any online stores that I would like to purchase a curio or relic from. I also understand that I should keep a detailed record of who, what, when, cost and dates for each firearm I purchase and receive.

Trying not to ask legal questions... but seeking advise from those who have and had a C&R.
1- When selling a firearm that I obtained with this license, it must be sold at the same cost or less that I purchased it. Anything I need to do other than document who I sold it to and for how much?
2- If I decide at a later time to gift a firearm to someone, is that acceptable?
3- Do all rules expire when my license expires?

Thanks!


1- Not necessarily. You cannot deal in C&R rifles; you cannot sell solely to make a profit. You can sell it for more than you paid so long as your intent is to use the money earned to enhance your collection.
You need to maintain acquisition and disposition records (bound book) like a standard FFL. Yes, you need a real bound book. Your information packet from the ATF will detail what you need to record. Document the dates of acquisition/disposition, the buyer's/seller's full name, DOB, address, license number (or driver's license number for a non-C&R holder), the firearm name, manufacturer and/or importer, caliber, action, firearm type and possibly other items I'm forgetting. You do not need to document the firearm if it is already a part of your collection unless you dispose of it while a C&R holder.
2- Yes, but you need to record disposition. Keep your records timely; the ATF is known to check up on the records of C&R holders!
3- if you let your license expire you can no longer engage in the interstate commerce privileges granted by your C&R- you're back to being a regular gun owner. However, your records are no longer needed, the ATF doesn't want them and you can destroy them should you let your license expire.
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Posted: 6/29/2012 10:09:02 PM
Originally Posted By thirsty:
Originally Posted By WranglerJK:
C&R license has been approved and has arrived

Being a newb to this process, I realize I have to provide a copy to any online stores that I would like to purchase a curio or relic from. I also understand that I should keep a detailed record of who, what, when, cost and dates for each firearm I purchase and receive.

Trying not to ask legal questions... but seeking advise from those who have and had a C&R.
1- When selling a firearm that I obtained with this license, it must be sold at the same cost or less that I purchased it. Anything I need to do other than document who I sold it to and for how much?
2- If I decide at a later time to gift a firearm to someone, is that acceptable?
3- Do all rules expire when my license expires?

Thanks!


1- Not necessarily. You cannot deal in C&R rifles; you cannot sell solely to make a profit. You can sell it for more than you paid so long as your intent is to use the money earned to enhance your collection.
You need to maintain acquisition and disposition records (bound book) like a standard FFL. Yes, you need a real bound book. Your information packet from the ATF will detail what you need to record. Document the dates of acquisition/disposition, the buyer's/seller's full name, DOB, address, license number (or driver's license number for a non-C&R holder), the firearm name, manufacturer and/or importer, caliber, action, firearm type and possibly other items I'm forgetting. You do not need to document the firearm if it is already a part of your collection unless you dispose of it while a C&R holder.
2- Yes, but you need to record disposition. Keep your records timely; the ATF is known to check up on the records of C&R holders!
3- if you let your license expire you can no longer engage in the interstate commerce privileges granted by your C&R- you're back to being a regular gun owner. However, your records are no longer needed, the ATF doesn't want them and you can destroy them should you let your license expire.


Very informative, thank you! Looks like I'm jumping the gun. I've only received the license so far, no packet.

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Posted: 6/29/2012 10:27:48 PM
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Be prepared to be broke all the time or at least for the first year or two.
If you have a significant other, it may place a strain on the relationship as you'll be more devoted to what you just got and what you're going to get next.
In about six months into it you'll be on a first name basis with the UPS driver in your area, sadly You may be sued by him for injury's sustained while delivering shit-tons of surplus ammo.
Century Arms, Samco Global, Aim Surplus, and a host of others will need to be bookmarked under favorites.
Brownells, Midway, and a good many quasi-wholesalers will give you a discount if you send them a copy of your FFL.
You're NOT a "dealer" you can play the game of buying-selling-trading, but it's for collecting, not making a living:
Ordering (5) 91/30's from Century then selecting the ones you want to keep then selling the rest to friends, other collectors, or on the EE where they'll go to another FFL for disposition is OK, but ordering five and putting an ad in the Paper offering them for sale isn't going to fly.
You can't get handguns in NY on your C&R: most Wholesalers won't send them to you, and by State law they have to go through a Dealer in Handguns (01 licenses)
Of course your mileage may vary.

Oh, and Thirsty is absolutly right on all accounts.
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Posted: 6/30/2012 12:06:16 AM
Originally Posted By thirsty:
Originally Posted By WranglerJK:
C&R license has been approved and has arrived

Being a newb to this process, I realize I have to provide a copy to any online stores that I would like to purchase a curio or relic from. I also understand that I should keep a detailed record of who, what, when, cost and dates for each firearm I purchase and receive.

Trying not to ask legal questions... but seeking advise from those who have and had a C&R.
1- When selling a firearm that I obtained with this license, it must be sold at the same cost or less that I purchased it. Anything I need to do other than document who I sold it to and for how much?
2- If I decide at a later time to gift a firearm to someone, is that acceptable?
3- Do all rules expire when my license expires?

Thanks!


1- Not necessarily. You cannot deal in C&R rifles; you cannot sell solely to make a profit. You can sell it for more than you paid so long as your intent is to use the money earned to enhance your collection.
You need to maintain acquisition and disposition records (bound book) like a standard FFL. Yes, you need a real bound book. Your information packet from the ATF will detail what you need to record. Document the dates of acquisition/disposition, the buyer's/seller's full name, DOB, address, license number (or driver's license number for a non-C&R holder), the firearm name, manufacturer and/or importer, caliber, action, firearm type and possibly other items I'm forgetting. You do not need to document the firearm if it is already a part of your collection unless you dispose of it while a C&R holder.
2- Yes, but you need to record disposition. Keep your records timely; the ATF is known to check up on the records of C&R holders!
3- if you let your license expire you can no longer engage in the interstate commerce privileges granted by your C&R- you're back to being a regular gun owner. However, your records are no longer needed, the ATF doesn't want them and you can destroy them should you let your license expire.


I thought that if you let your license expire, you are required to send your bound book to the ATF for their records?
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Posted: 6/30/2012 6:25:12 AM
Originally Posted By Shqype:
I thought that if you let your license expire, you are required to send your bound book to the ATF for their records?



A dealer needs to do that,but not a collector.

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Posted: 6/30/2012 5:32:44 PM
I remember when AIM had really nice C&R eligible SKS's for sale. The thought of ordering an SKS online and having it shipped directly to your house sounded awesome.

<––––-still needs to look into getting a C&R license.
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Posted: 6/30/2012 5:58:42 PM
Originally Posted By NY_Shooter:
I remember when AIM had really nice C&R eligible SKS's for sale. The thought of ordering an SKS online and having it shipped directly to your house sounded awesome.

<––––-still needs to look into getting a C&R license.


I've got an SKS, still trying to decide what to do with it (as far as restoration is concerned). :)
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Posted: 7/9/2012 8:39:44 AM
Originally Posted By NY_Shooter:
I remember when AIM had really nice C&R eligible SKS's for sale. The thought of ordering an SKS online and having it shipped directly to your house sounded awesome.

<––––-still needs to look into getting a C&R license.


Two very nice agents from the BATFE set up a table at the last Rochester Gunshow: they were handing out application packets, answering questions, and just willing to help out.(one of the agents was a woman; good thing for her that I'm old & married )
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