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Posted: 4/28/2017 10:06:24 PM EDT
HB375
It looks like Phil King decided what is best for us, instead of listening to the voters. Hopefully, next year, he is listening to a career counselor or someone at the Texas Unemployment Commission. ETA: I fixed it. 
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Posted: 4/28/2017 11:31:38 PM EDT
[#1]
I'm confused. Your link sends me to an article talking about Springfield Armory and RRA in Illinois. What does that have to do with HB375 here?
ETA - It seems to me that the committee simply decided to push forward with HB1911 instead. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 1:26:37 PM EDT
[#2]
No costitutional carry for you
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Posted: 4/29/2017 2:03:17 PM EDT
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I'm confused. Your link sends me to an article talking about Springfield Armory and RRA in Illinois. What does that have to do with HB375 here? ETA - It seems to me that the committee simply decided to push forward with HB1911 instead. Neither bill really thought out the tangled web of prohibited places as well as we would have hoped. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 2:38:07 PM EDT
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Sometimes it "our side" (at least those who claim they are) who are our own worst enemies...
Thanks a lot King. Hope you get the Vote Boot! |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 7:48:04 PM EDT
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HB1911 cleared committee and is awaiting a date from the calendar committee for a house floor vote last I checked. It's still moving through.
Bear in mind, HB375 was being pushed by Stickland, who many other house members do not like. Tact will often get a bill further than brash abrasiveness. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 8:57:44 PM EDT
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Michael Cargill has been railing hard against HB1911 for a while now. He's usually pretty on point, so would it be better for it to fail too and try again next time?
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Posted: 4/29/2017 9:31:10 PM EDT
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Michael Cargill has been railing hard against HB1911 for a while now. He's usually pretty on point, so would it be better for it to fail too and try again next time? Genuine question. ETA - I just skimmed the committee substitute version of HB1911, and it seems that it allows nonlicensees to carry, so long as they are 21+ and otherwise meet the requirements of obtaining an LTC. I don't really see anything bad in it. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 10:47:03 PM EDT
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From what little I read, it seems to be an unlicensed carry bill, which seems like a step in the right direction. What has he said is so bad about it? Genuine question. ETA - I just skimmed the committee substitute version of HB1911, and it seems that it allows nonlicensees to carry, so long as they are 21+ and otherwise meet the requirements of obtaining an LTC. I don't really see anything bad in it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Michael Cargill has been railing hard against HB1911 for a while now. He's usually pretty on point, so would it be better for it to fail too and try again next time? Genuine question. ETA - I just skimmed the committee substitute version of HB1911, and it seems that it allows nonlicensees to carry, so long as they are 21+ and otherwise meet the requirements of obtaining an LTC. I don't really see anything bad in it. I think it is time we started to change the bi-annual meeting of the state government and make it a full-time deal. this being able to hide for two years is not a good thing anymore. 
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Posted: 4/29/2017 11:05:31 PM EDT
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There are provisions prohibiting carry if you are behind on child support or have class A or B misdemeanors on your record. (five years) Your carry privilege can be revoked for a disorderly conduct charge. ( shooting someone the finger or even farting in public) HB375 would lower the age to 18 and Alice Tripp from TSRA has told me in an e-mail that they will never lower the carry age to 18. King does not want any type of Constitutional carry passed, period. I think it is time we started to change the bi-annual meeting of the state government and make it a full-time deal. this being able to hide for two years is not a good thing anymore. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 11:49:42 PM EDT
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There are provisions prohibiting carry if you are behind on child support or have class A or B misdemeanors on your record. (five years) Your carry privilege can be revoked for a disorderly conduct charge. ( shooting someone the finger or even farting in public) HB375 would lower the age to 18 and Alice Tripp from TSRA has told me in an e-mail that they will never lower the carry age to 18. King does not want any type of Constitutional carry passed, period. I think it is time we started to change the bi-annual meeting of the state government and make it a full-time deal. this being able to hide for two years is not a good thing anymore. You do not want these people sitting around all day trying to decide how best to run your life. Trust me. Hell, look at Congress. These people need to keep working for a living. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:26:23 AM EDT
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NO! You do not want these people sitting around all day trying to decide how best to run your life. Trust me. Hell, look at Congress. These people need to keep working for a living. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are provisions prohibiting carry if you are behind on child support or have class A or B misdemeanors on your record. (five years) Your carry privilege can be revoked for a disorderly conduct charge. ( shooting someone the finger or even farting in public) HB375 would lower the age to 18 and Alice Tripp from TSRA has told me in an e-mail that they will never lower the carry age to 18. King does not want any type of Constitutional carry passed, period. I think it is time we started to change the bi-annual meeting of the state government and make it a full-time deal. this being able to hide for two years is not a good thing anymore. You do not want these people sitting around all day trying to decide how best to run your life. Trust me. Hell, look at Congress. These people need to keep working for a living. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 6:38:04 AM EDT
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There are provisions prohibiting carry if you are behind on child support or have class A or B misdemeanors on your record. (five years) Your carry privilege can be revoked for a disorderly conduct charge. ( shooting someone the finger or even farting in public) HB375 would lower the age to 18 and Alice Tripp from TSRA has told me in an e-mail that they will never lower the carry age to 18. King does not want any type of Constitutional carry passed, period. I think it is time we started to change the bi-annual meeting of the state government and make it a full-time deal. this being able to hide for two years is not a good thing anymore. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 9:55:57 AM EDT
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From Lone Star Gun Rights:
"At this point of the meeting, Phil King asked a representative of the Attorney General's Office, Steve Pier, to testify as a resource witness. The exchange went as follows: Phil King: 'With regard to the current version of HB375 by Stickland pending before this committee, have the concerns raised regarding child support enforcement by the AG's Office been corrected in that bill's current draft?' Steve Pier: 'No sir. And while it is the default setting of the agency to raise concerns anytime a bill draft is in conflict with current law or current practice, we certainly did so and appreciate you hearing us out on that. In the case of HB375, the agency is prepared to forego those concerns, and continue to be the nation's number one child support enforcement agency without that tool in our toolbox.' This clearly caught King off guard. What Mr. Pier said was that King is now the only obstacle standing in the way of HB375 getting out of committee. Clearly shocked, King stammered to ask 'So what you’re informing me today, for the first time, and the committee, is that you are withdrawing the Attorney General’s office’s concern over the child support issue in HB 375?' Mr. Pier simply replied, 'Yes sir.' You can watch the entire exchange here:" Phil King kills constitutional carry Youtube video of the exchange |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:46:18 PM EDT
[#14]
Let me get this straight....
You are behind on your bills, therefore the 2nd does not apply to you. WTervlovingshitF is this?
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:09:09 PM EDT
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The thought of maming the Texas legislatire full time sc ares thd heck out of me.
No way. They do enough damage every two years |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 1:14:18 PM EDT
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How can you put any restrictions on Constitutional Carry except for age? |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 2:37:30 PM EDT
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As I understand it, HB 1911 will allow anyone to carry if they meet the current standards to qualify for a LTC. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How can you put any restrictions on Constitutional Carry except for age? HB375 vs HB1911 |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 3:02:16 PM EDT
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Honestly, after years and years of you guys telling me that it's all about baby steps, I don't care which bill passes, as long as one of them passes. Get it on the books and then expand it in the next session.
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Posted: 4/30/2017 3:46:14 PM EDT
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Honestly, after years and years of you guys telling me that it's all about baby steps, I don't care which bill passes, as long as one of them passes. Get it on the books and then expand it in the next session. If it does make it to the floor it will be amended into who knows what. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 6:21:50 PM EDT
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Sometimes it "our side" (at least those who claim they are) who are our own worst enemies... Thanks a lot King. Hope you get the Vote Boot! It's a minor miracle that 1911 got through committee. Let's focus on the progress aspect here rather than boo-hoo'ing about people who have failed to honor their responsibility to care for their offspring. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 7:47:37 PM EDT
[#21]
Fucking embarrassing. Look at all the states passing constiturinal carry and we can not get our shit together.
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Posted: 5/1/2017 4:17:45 PM EDT
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Honestly, after years and years of you guys telling me that it's all about baby steps, I don't care which bill passes, as long as one of them passes. Get it on the books and then expand it in the next session. |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:49:24 PM EDT
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I can understand that in Texas we need to get gun rights in baby steps, but IMO HB1911 is unenforceable. If asked by law enforcement if you can legally carry a hand gun, how would law enforcement know if you are arrears on child support (without a contempt citation from the court) or if you are arrears in any taxes or student loans? Currently this is all handled by DPS when getting your LTC. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Honestly, after years and years of you guys telling me that it's all about baby steps, I don't care which bill passes, as long as one of them passes. Get it on the books and then expand it in the next session. The bill isn't perfect but unlicensed carry is as big a step forward toward real freedom as CHL was in the 80's. I hope people recognize that and avoid the octc type antics of 2 years ago that fucked us all. |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 8:26:40 PM EDT
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That's fine by me as long as rs/pc remains required for as much as a Terry stop. Your concern works for the law abiding, not against and the criminals never cared about CHL anyway. The bill isn't perfect but unlicensed carry is as big a step forward toward real freedom as CHL was in the 80's. I hope people recognize that and avoid the octc type antics of 2 years ago that fucked us all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Honestly, after years and years of you guys telling me that it's all about baby steps, I don't care which bill passes, as long as one of them passes. Get it on the books and then expand it in the next session. The bill isn't perfect but unlicensed carry is as big a step forward toward real freedom as CHL was in the 80's. I hope people recognize that and avoid the octc type antics of 2 years ago that fucked us all. |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 9:49:57 PM EDT
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The thought of maming the Texas legislatire full time sc ares thd heck out of me. No way. They do enough damage every two years |
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Posted: 5/4/2017 3:27:56 PM EDT
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HB1911 is probably dead also. It`s hung in the Calendars committee. All according to plan.
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Posted: 5/4/2017 4:17:13 PM EDT
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A cut and paste from Open Carry Texas the other day.
A quick word on HB 375 (unlicensed carry) so that people can accept reality. At this point, HB 375 is dead. Not only is it dead, it's already decomposing and probably infested with maggots. Even if there is a vote today in committee, it is impossible for calendars to get it on the calendar in the House, sent to the Senate, assigned to a Senate committee, scheduled for a committee hearing, scheduled for a committee vote, placed on the full Senate calendar, and voted on. I don't like it. You don't like. But, it's reality. Every bill that hasn't had a hearing or voted on at this point is dead. So, we need to stop deluding ourselves into thinking there is still a chance. There is not. Chairman Phil King single-handedly killed HB 375 and neutered HB 1911. Our only option right now is to push for HB 1911 to get to the floor so we can amend it to look more like HB 375. I need you to call every member of the Calendars Committee and tell them to schedule a hearing ASAP for HB 1911. All you need to do is tell them your name, where you're calling from, that you are in support of HB 1911, and you want a vote on it in the full House. There is no need to say anything else because all they do is fill out a little card with that information and you'll be tying up the phone lines for others to call in. Here are the numbers (yes, call them all!): Todd Hunter - (512) 463-0672 Donna Howard - (512) 463-0631 Roberto Alonzo - (512) 463-0408 Trent Ashby - (512) 463-0508 Byron Crook - (512) 463-0730 Sarah Davis - (512) 463-0389 Charlie Geren - (512) 463-0610 Helen Giddings - (512) 463-0953 Kyle Kacal - (512) 463-0412 Ken King (not to be confused with Phil King) - (512) 463-0736 Toni Rose - (512) 463-0664 Dade Phelan - (512) 463-0706 Chris Paddie - (512) 463-0556 Poncho Nevarez - (512) 463-0566 Linda Koop - (512) 463-0454 |
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Posted: 5/5/2017 1:29:54 PM EDT
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HB1911 cleared committee and is awaiting a date from the calendar committee for a house floor vote last I checked. It's still moving through. Bear in mind, HB375 was being pushed by Stickland, who many other house members do not like. Tact will often get a bill further than brash abrasiveness. HB 375 has the lower bill number because Stickland glory-hounded it (a bit) by pre-filing. If we want this to pass next session, we need to get someone: a.) who is more likeable; and, b.) with some kind of seniority, preferably to pre-file the bill in the November preceding. Mid-February (when White filed HB 1911) is probably too late to be taken seriously... esp. for something like this. 
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Posted: 5/5/2017 2:27:37 PM EDT
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HB1911 is tied up in the calendar committee waiting for a release date to the floor for discussion. They have until the 29th to release the bill. If it's not released, it's dead. I have a feeling it will never see the light of day.
The sticking point for some, according to Alice Tripp of TSRA anyway with HB 375 is it would lower the age to carry a pistol to 18. She said it was a deal breaker. If 1911 does make it to the floor the final version will be amended to death. Maybe some of the good stuff in 375 can be added but there is a real chance it will in no way resemble something we want passing. Time will tell and it's quickly running out. |
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Posted: 5/8/2017 12:22:56 PM EDT
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From Jonathan Stickland's facebook page. This is not good. We do have until the 29th for the bill to come out of the calendars committee but I wouldn't hold my breath.
"I am sad to report that Constitutional Carry is all but dead. The only hope left would be a special session called by the Governor, which I do not expect. We progressed further this session than ever before. For that, I am proud and thankful to all those who helped. The blame can be put on many things, but at the end of the day, Democrats didn't stop it. The "Republicans" deserve the blame. I am especially upset with Rep. Phil King for not voting HB375 out of committee and slow playing HB1911 to Calendars. Calendars Chairman Todd Hunter and his entire "Republican" committee also deserve blame for not putting HB1911 on floor. House Leadership under Speaker Joe Straus never wanted true pro-gun legislation passed, we all know it. As far as I am concerned, if someone did not coauthor HB375, they did not support it. I will not stop or apologize for fighting for the 2nd Amendment. With your continued help and support, we will be back next session, with many of the "Republicans" in name only replaced with true conservatives by you, the voters." |
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Posted: 5/8/2017 12:34:00 PM EDT
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From Jonathan Stickland's facebook page. This is not good. We do have until the 29th for the bill to come out of the calendars committee but I wouldn't hold my breath. "I am sad to report that Constitutional Carry is all but dead. The only hope left would be a special session called by the Governor, which I do not expect. We progressed further this session than ever before. For that, I am proud and thankful to all those who helped. The blame can be put on many things, but at the end of the day, Democrats didn't stop it. The "Republicans" deserve the blame. I am especially upset with Rep. Phil King for not voting HB375 out of committee and slow playing HB1911 to Calendars. Calendars Chairman Todd Hunter and his entire "Republican" committee also deserve blame for not putting HB1911 on floor. House Leadership under Speaker Joe Straus never wanted true pro-gun legislation passed, we all know it. As far as I am concerned, if someone did not coauthor HB375, they did not support it. I will not stop or apologize for fighting for the 2nd Amendment. With your continued help and support, we will be back next session, with many of the "Republicans" in name only replaced with true conservatives by you, the voters." What is the sticking point for these RINOs on HB1911? |
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Posted: 5/8/2017 12:34:34 PM EDT
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The sticking point for some, according to Alice Tripp of TSRA anyway with HB 375 is it would lower the age to carry a pistol to 18. She said it was a deal breaker. |
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Posted: 5/8/2017 2:03:37 PM EDT
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There are provisions prohibiting carry if you are behind on child support or have class A or B misdemeanors on your record. (five years) Your carry privilege can be revoked for a disorderly conduct charge. ( shooting someone the finger or even farting in public) HB375 would lower the age to 18 and Alice Tripp from TSRA has told me in an e-mail that they will never lower the carry age to 18. King does not want any type of Constitutional carry passed, period. I think it is time we started to change the bi-annual meeting of the state government and make it a full-time deal. this being able to hide for two years is not a good thing anymore. And charges are not enough to revoke in the bill. Convictions are. Being behind on child support is not a reason in the bill, either. Being adjudged as delinquent is. |
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Posted: 5/8/2017 2:05:11 PM EDT
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I can understand that in Texas we need to get gun rights in baby steps, but IMO HB1911 is unenforceable. If asked by law enforcement if you can legally carry a hand gun, how would law enforcement know if you are arrears on child support (without a contempt citation from the court) or if you are arrears in any taxes or student loans? Currently this is all handled by DPS when getting your LTC. |
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Posted: 5/8/2017 2:14:29 PM EDT
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It is sad gun owners cannot accept incremental victories, and have to take win it all at once approach, which often means losing it all at once. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The sticking point for some, according to Alice Tripp of TSRA anyway with HB 375 is it would lower the age to carry a pistol to 18. She said it was a deal breaker. |
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Posted: 5/8/2017 2:33:17 PM EDT
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They won't even move 1911 out of the calendar committee though. There is no victory this session, incremental or otherwise. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The sticking point for some, according to Alice Tripp of TSRA anyway with HB 375 is it would lower the age to carry a pistol to 18. She said it was a deal breaker. |
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Posted: 5/8/2017 3:50:49 PM EDT
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What the fuck is wrong with our state legislature?
Constitutional carry is passing all over the country right now. This is Texas, dammit. |
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Posted: 5/8/2017 4:04:35 PM EDT
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What the fuck is wrong with our state legislature? Constitutional carry is passing all over the country right now. This is Texas, dammit. |
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Posted: 5/9/2017 9:48:00 AM EDT
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Not enough gun owners give a shit to bug the hell out of them. I guess not. People made fun of Open Carry Texas but at least they sent a message. |
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Posted: 5/9/2017 10:41:02 AM EDT
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HB1911 is dead unless they can get it out of committee by the 11th according to Stickland.
I'm beginning to wonder if he isn't part of the problem. He made a bunch of people mad the last session and I think part of this may be a FU to him. |
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Posted: 5/9/2017 12:37:38 PM EDT
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HB1911 is dead unless they can get it out of committee by the 11th according to Stickland. I'm beginning to wonder if he isn't part of the problem. He made a bunch of people mad the last session and I think part of this may be a FU to him. |
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Posted: 5/9/2017 1:44:33 PM EDT
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What's the issue with Strickland? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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HB1911 is dead unless they can get it out of committee by the 11th according to Stickland. I'm beginning to wonder if he isn't part of the problem. He made a bunch of people mad the last session and I think part of this may be a FU to him. |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 4:52:50 PM EDT
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It is sad gun owners cannot accept incremental victories, and have to take win it all at once approach, which often means losing it all at once. They almost cost us the initial CHL bill, as flawed as it was. It took some time (ten sessions, aka 'twenty years') for the CHL program to grow from the little runt it started out as, to the fairly robust program it was before it transformed into the LTC program. Thank goodness they didn't get their way back then... we'd probably still be trying to pass their 'perfect' bill today. 
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Posted: 5/12/2017 9:39:50 AM EDT
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He doesn't do that go along to get along thing that politicians do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's the issue with Strickland? Take this for what it's worth because it's Texas Monthly (and the Burka Blog, at that), but: http://www.texasmonthly.com/burka-blog/a-tale-of-two-libertarians/ The point is, not a lot of his colleagues appreciate him. Which makes it harder to get movement on his bills. Which can sometimes be the 'kiss of death' when he's the one who takes up the mantle of something we like/care about. Which is probably part of the reason we're having to discuss the differences between HB 375 and HB 1911... if his colleagues liked him, they probably (arguably) wouldn't have doubled him up like this. Most everything you didn't like about Ron Paul for the past however-many years? A lot of those arguments can also apply to Stickland. |
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Posted: 5/12/2017 9:46:08 AM EDT
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From what little I read, it seems to be an unlicensed carry bill, which seems like a step in the right direction. What has he said is so bad about it? Genuine question. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Michael Cargill has been railing hard against HB1911 for a while now. He's usually pretty on point, so would it be better for it to fail too and try again next time? Genuine question. State Rep James White is apparently targeting Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton. Under HB1911 Ken Paxton will lose his gun rights on Sep 1, 2017.
Currently you would be able to have a handgun in your vehicle without a license but starting Sep 1, 2017 you will start losing gun rights. Under HB1911 former Governor Rick Perry would have lost his gun rights. Under HB1911 Tom Delay would have lost his gun rights. Under HB1911 the .08 will disappear. It goes to zero alcohol & Austin Police Department is going to enjoy no refusal weekend. Under HB1911 if you get a divorce the spouse that is served, will lose their gun rights. Under HB1911 you will lose your gun rights under federal law if your are within 1000 feet of a school. Under HB1911 if you are a veteran and diagnosed with PTSD you will lose your gun rights. Under HB1911 the poor community will suffer unless you have an attorney on retainer. Under HB1911 Texas will lose Reciprocity with other states. The Texas LTC will be useless in some states. Under HB1911 if your are charged with a felony you will lose your gun rights. Under HB1911 if you have one alcoholic drink you will be charged with unlawful carry if you carry a handgun in your vehicle starting Sep 1, 2017. CURRENTLY YOU HAVE THESE RIGHTS IN YOUR VEHICLE. #SupportHB375 |
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Posted: 5/12/2017 11:31:41 AM EDT
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What does he mean by 'you will lose your gun rights?'
Like if you get charged with a felony, then you can never own a gun again, regardless of the outcome of the trial? Or, the 'well no shit' scenario where if you're charged with a felony then you can't possess a firearm until the trial is over? It sounds kind of sensationalized to me. |
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Posted: 5/12/2017 12:15:49 PM EDT
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Like I said... I can't comment on the validity.
Someone asked what Mike had said about it, and I just wanted to answer that. |
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Posted: 5/12/2017 12:44:54 PM EDT
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Where did Kory Watson and Open Carry Tarrant County go? I don't remember hearing a thing out of them this go round. Even C J Grissom with Open Carry Texas toned their act down. (for the most part)
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Posted: 5/16/2017 7:43:17 AM EDT
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Did 1911 die in the calendars committee?
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Posted: 5/16/2017 10:04:13 AM EDT
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Anybody notice that all of this to do is about various bills to tweak LTC when the obvious answer is to repeal Section 46.02 of the Penal Code?
That is what politicians do. |
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