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Posted: 4/26/2017 9:15:33 AM EDT
Couple of recent incidents of "Jugging" which the thugs don't rob the bank...  They rob YOU after you've been inside the bank or at the ATM...


http://www.click2houston.com/news/3-arrested-accused-of-following-bank-customers-as-part-of-robbery-scheme

http://www.click2houston.com/news/3-arrested-after-following-bank-customer-stealing-money-prompting-chase-police-say

We can hope these scumbags get long terms of prison food & penis...

Be careful and keep alert if you visit your bank or ATM...

BIGGER_HAMMER
Link Posted: 4/26/2017 10:17:05 AM EDT
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This brings up the whole idea of drive up ATM etiquette.

Do I leave my pistol in my concealed carry holster or take it out, and if I do take it out, do I place it on the console or tuck it under my leg or behind my back. Or do I leave my concealed carry pistol where it is and pull out my second pistol? Where do I put that? If I'm riding with a passenger, is it acceptable to ask if they brought their own weapon? Do you loan them your 3rd pistol if they're unarmed? Do you inform them about the 9mm carbine in the back seat in case things really go bad?

I'm so confused sometimes.
Link Posted: 4/26/2017 2:48:37 PM EDT
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This brings up the whole idea of drive up ATM etiquette.

Do I leave my pistol in my concealed carry holster or take it out, and if I do take it out, do I place it on the console or tuck it under my leg or behind my back. Or do I leave my concealed carry pistol where it is and pull out my second pistol? Where do I put that? If I'm riding with a passenger, is it acceptable to ask if they brought their own weapon? Do you loan them your 3rd pistol if they're unarmed? Do you inform them about the 9mm carbine in the back seat in case things really go bad?

I'm so confused sometimes.
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These are all acceptable options
Link Posted: 4/26/2017 5:59:03 PM EDT
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Couple of recent incidents of "Jugging" which the thugs don't rob the bank...  They rob YOU after you've been inside the bank or at the ATM...

http://www.click2houston.com/news/3-arrested-accused-of-following-bank-customers-as-part-of-robbery-scheme

http://www.click2houston.com/news/3-arrested-after-following-bank-customer-stealing-money-prompting-chase-police-say

We can hope these scumbags get long terms of prison food & penis...

Be careful and keep alert if you visit your bank or ATM...

BIGGER_HAMMER
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Group of 3 jugglers followed me from the bank for over 25 miles till they robbed me.  Till this day, I cannot figure out how they followed me because my route had several spots where I can definitely tell if I am being followed.  My plates do not lead back to the spot I was robbed.  Well anyway, one of the robbers is dead and buried in Houston Memorial Gardens.
Link Posted: 4/26/2017 9:34:16 PM EDT
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There was also an incident of this occurring here in Dallas last Saturday in the Forest and Marsh area.
Link Posted: 4/27/2017 12:23:49 AM EDT
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Group of 3 jugglers followed me from the bank for over 25 miles till they robbed me.  Till this day, I cannot figure out how they followed me because my route had several spots where I can definitely tell if I am being followed.  My plates do not lead back to the spot I was robbed.  Well anyway, one of the robbers is dead and buried in Houston Memorial Gardens.
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Couple of recent incidents of "Jugging" which the thugs don't rob the bank...  They rob YOU after you've been inside the bank or at the ATM...

http://www.click2houston.com/news/3-arrested-accused-of-following-bank-customers-as-part-of-robbery-scheme

http://www.click2houston.com/news/3-arrested-after-following-bank-customer-stealing-money-prompting-chase-police-say

We can hope these scumbags get long terms of prison food & penis...

Be careful and keep alert if you visit your bank or ATM...

BIGGER_HAMMER


Group of 3 jugglers followed me from the bank for over 25 miles till they robbed me.  Till this day, I cannot figure out how they followed me because my route had several spots where I can definitely tell if I am being followed.  My plates do not lead back to the spot I was robbed.  Well anyway, one of the robbers is dead and buried in Houston Memorial Gardens.
WE all owe you a Beer then!!  

Thanks for taking out the trash!
Link Posted: 4/27/2017 6:20:00 AM EDT
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Couple of recent incidents of "Jugging" which the thugs don't rob the bank...  They rob YOU after you've been inside the bank or at the ATM...

http://www.click2houston.com/news/3-arrested-accused-of-following-bank-customers-as-part-of-robbery-scheme

http://www.click2houston.com/news/3-arrested-after-following-bank-customer-stealing-money-prompting-chase-police-say

We can hope these scumbags get long terms of prison food & penis...

Be careful and keep alert if you visit your bank or ATM...

BIGGER_HAMMER
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In my experience, robbers do not get much time in Harris County Distric Courts.  The last group I shot at received a 5 year sentence in TDCJ (enen though I ventillated their cousin) and another was sentenced to 10 years TDCJ (served 7 on good behavior) for robbing me in a takeover robber, he got shot but lived).
Link Posted: 4/27/2017 6:21:01 AM EDT
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WE all owe you a Beer then!!  

Thanks for taking out the trash!
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Thanks, do not care for the beer though.  Shooting at Turds ended up costing me time and money.  

There is still plenty of Turds out there.  They have the money for good attorneys and a strong defense.  Only solution is to ventillate the Turds.
Link Posted: 4/27/2017 9:21:45 AM EDT
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This brings up the whole idea of drive up ATM etiquette.

Do I leave my pistol in my concealed carry holster or take it out, and if I do take it out, do I place it on the console or tuck it under my leg or behind my back. Or do I leave my concealed carry pistol where it is and pull out my second pistol? Where do I put that? If I'm riding with a passenger, is it acceptable to ask if they brought their own weapon? Do you loan them your 3rd pistol if they're unarmed? Do you inform them about the 9mm carbine in the back seat in case things really go bad?

I'm so confused sometimes.
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Mine is under my left leg at the ATM.
Link Posted: 4/27/2017 12:27:23 PM EDT
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When I lived in Houston our shop was in the hood---right off of Ella blvd south of FM 1960.

When we still gave out hard checks (to the people that could not get bank accounts) most of them would go around the corner to a Texaco to get their checks cashed for huge fees.  This Texaco always had a crowd of people hanging around it (working girls, pimps, street pushers) and the guys just never learned.

4 times (the same guy was had twice) they got followed from this gas station that was literally 2 blocks away and then robbed at gunpoint at the first red light.
Link Posted: 4/27/2017 2:29:07 PM EDT
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Thanks, do not care for the beer though.  Shooting at Turds ended up costing me time and money.  

There is still plenty of Turds out there.  They have the money for good attorneys and a strong defense.  Only solution is to ventillate the Turds.
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What do you do for a living that has you shooting multiple "turds".

Far as I'm aware, Houston disbanded their shotgun squads in the 70's...

Feel free to IM me if it's sooper sneaky work.
Link Posted: 4/27/2017 2:56:21 PM EDT
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This brings up the whole idea of drive up ATM etiquette.

Do I leave my pistol in my concealed carry holster or take it out, and if I do take it out, do I place it on the console or tuck it under my leg or behind my back. Or do I leave my concealed carry pistol where it is and pull out my second pistol? Where do I put that? If I'm riding with a passenger, is it acceptable to ask if they brought their own weapon? Do you loan them your 3rd pistol if they're unarmed? Do you inform them about the 9mm carbine in the back seat in case things really go bad?

I'm so confused sometimes.
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LOL
Or why don't you just start a security escort service specializing in ATM and bank withdrawals
Link Posted: 4/27/2017 3:00:09 PM EDT
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In my experience, robbers do not get much time in Harris County Distric Courts.  The last group I shot at received a 5 year sentence in TDCJ (enen though I ventillated their cousin) and another was sentenced to 10 years TDCJ (served 7 on good behavior) for robbing me in a takeover robber, he got shot but lived).
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Would you mind sharing a detailed story of this?
Thanks if so and also understand if it's not something you want to detail out.
Glad you lived thu it.
Link Posted: 4/27/2017 3:17:42 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/28/2017 4:00:15 AM EDT
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thanks for sharing. i've been getting lazy and complacent lately when leaving the bank and this has reminded me to not be a soft target.
Link Posted: 4/28/2017 9:39:21 AM EDT
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LOL
Or why don't you just start a security escort service specializing in ATM and bank withdrawals
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This brings up the whole idea of drive up ATM etiquette.

Do I leave my pistol in my concealed carry holster or take it out, and if I do take it out, do I place it on the console or tuck it under my leg or behind my back. Or do I leave my concealed carry pistol where it is and pull out my second pistol? Where do I put that? If I'm riding with a passenger, is it acceptable to ask if they brought their own weapon? Do you loan them your 3rd pistol if they're unarmed? Do you inform them about the 9mm carbine in the back seat in case things really go bad?

I'm so confused sometimes.
LOL
Or why don't you just start a security escort service specializing in ATM and bank withdrawals
I gotta move the rest of my money out of BOA, they keep closing their sub-urban locations, so you have to push deeper into the city.
Link Posted: 4/29/2017 10:30:03 AM EDT
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This group and this particular crime, (MO) are not robbers. They're careful to avoid the violent crime aspect. They're very much better organized than ATM robbers and are heavy into low risk (to themselves) and high profit crimes. They stake out a bank and watch for people making large cash withdrawals. They'll use rent cars and the actors communicate by phone. They can have someone, possibly female, inside. Once someone makes a large cash withdrawal they follow (2 or 3 rent cars) and wait for the car to stop. The MO counts on the person hiding the large amount of cash inside the car and they just break a window (they use glass breakers) and get the cash. It's over very quickly and if caught (infrequently) they don't catch the whole group and are charged with a misdemeanor burglary of auto.
Link Posted: 4/29/2017 7:39:27 PM EDT
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Person got 2 to the chest.  Bullets hit ribs and bounced off.
Link Posted: 4/29/2017 7:49:26 PM EDT
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Would you mind sharing a detailed story of this?
Thanks if so and also understand if it's not something you want to detail out.
Glad you lived thu it.
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It happened on a Friday at approximately 10:30 am.  Five guys were involved in this takeover robbery.  One in getaway car, one guarding the outside door to keep people from coming in, one inside the main door to make secure the perimeter, and two to take me on.  Two of the robbers immediately walked over to me dressed in normal clothes with sun glasses and baseball caps.  They headed in my direction at different angles and the shorter on immediately pulled out a snub nose revolver out of his pocket and pointed it at my chest.  I decided to draw until I notice the other 2 point guns at me and my customers (total of 15 people).  The shorter robber took my pistol and went rummaging looking for money.  They found money, and another hidden pistol.  They did not find the other pistols I had hidden throughout work.  When they decided to leave I retrieved another pistol and followed them outside where I unload a magazine into their getaway vehicle wounding one of the robbers who pointed a pistol at my direction.  Person got caught.  Robbers were discovered to go to the same range I shoot at due to other weird circumstances.

Robber that got shot had a very wealthly family that paid for THREE DEFENSE ATTORNEYS.  He was convicted of 2 aggravated robberies in Harris County.  Sentenced to 10 years TDCJ, served 7.  Now working 4 blocks from me.
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 8:29:58 AM EDT
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This is one reason I changed to a glock 19 as my primary carry gun.

My 6 round G43 was lacking in capacity.

Our society is in the mode the last 10 years or more, of not locking up shitbags for 20+ years anymore for violent crime and instead, lets them out only after a short period of time to re-victimize the public.

Its best that these clowns don't get a chance to re-offend for the protection of society and our families who dont travel armed.

Hopefully the new DOJ will help fix this catch-release policy but I'm not sure it will be anytime soon for many embedded reasons in state/local prosecutors office practices.

Example is, why is MOSBY not on-trial at this moment for her obvious crimes against the state of MD and the Baltimore Police officers?    

The civil lawsuit pending is not enough.  There must be criminal prosecution of corrupt government officials who commit fraud.
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 4:43:48 PM EDT
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Souvenirs for my safe from that incident.





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Link Posted: 4/30/2017 4:45:34 PM EDT
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This is one reason I changed to a glock 19 as my primary carry gun.

My 6 round G43 was lacking in capacity.

Our society is in the mode the last 10 years or more, of not locking up shitbags for 20+ years anymore for violent crime and instead, lets them out only after a short period of time to re-victimize the public.

Its best that these clowns don't get a chance to re-offend for the protection of society and our families who dont travel armed.

Hopefully the new DOJ will help fix this catch-release policy but I'm not sure it will be anytime soon for many embedded reasons in state/local prosecutors office practices.

Example is, why is MOSBY not on-trial at this moment for her obvious crimes against the state of MD and the Baltimore Police officers?    

The civil lawsuit pending is not enough.  There must be criminal prosecution of corrupt government officials who commit fraud.
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My truck gun sitting it is Eagle MP5 PDW case.
Link Posted: 5/1/2017 9:02:31 AM EDT
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"Ella Blvd off of 1960"  do not be caught there 'bouts after dark.  Even after 2pm to be safe...

Hking
Link Posted: 5/1/2017 9:59:04 AM EDT
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For the second time in 3 weeks, someone has gotten my debit card numbers. I thought it was off my PC, but nope. I opened an account at another bank and have used it damn little in 3 weeks. Someone in Florida has made a duplicate ATM card and is pulling money out at a Waffle House, even transferring money out of the savings account, so they have the pin. Already killed the card, off to the bank this morning, probably going to be able to narrow it down to a gas station. It's gotta be inside the pump or worse, inside the gas station. Gotta figure out how to report this.
Link Posted: 5/1/2017 10:33:03 AM EDT
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For the second time in 3 weeks, someone has gotten my debit card numbers. I thought it was off my PC, but nope. I opened an account at another bank and have used it damn little in 3 weeks. Someone in Florida has made a duplicate ATM card and is pulling money out at a Waffle House, even transferring money out of the savings account, so they have the pin. Already killed the card, off to the bank this morning, probably going to be able to narrow it down to a gas station. It's gotta be inside the pump or worse, inside the gas station. Gotta figure out how to report this.
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Local PD may have someone who handles that kinda stuff
Link Posted: 5/1/2017 1:28:09 PM EDT
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JoeMama, they got me last year.  Used a card only 4 times in a month, 3 times online for ammo/gear and 1 time for a tank of diesel locally.  Four days after last card use, late on a Saturday evening, my email blows-up with fraud alerts.  Multiple card attempts in a Florida mall, Victorias Secret, pots and pans, and pizza hutt.  They only got the pizzas...  Monday morning my Credit Union was on it, but for such a small amount they just canceled the card and refunded the account, no law enforcement follow up even requested.  I thought for sure it was the local gas station but then there was huge multi-month General Discussion thread on this board about a ammo/gear dealer with piss-poor web security, I had made one purchase from them that month...

I hate thieves.

Hking
Link Posted: 5/1/2017 1:57:26 PM EDT
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Someone in Florida made a counterfeit card and I'm seeing video game charges in Nevada. About $1000 total. Bank is refunding the amounts and I've got a new card already. I hadn't actually used the card since the beginning of April. They didn't have the pin. They didn't seem too worried at the bank, but the 2 people in front of me were there for the same thing. Eventually we're gonna have to track these guys down and break some fingers.
Link Posted: 5/2/2017 4:16:39 PM EDT
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I wouldn't have protection from my state association or department if I did that so I'm still restricted to guns I've qualified with offduty.

Personally I would find that impractical to lug around.  When I retire, if I spent more time on the road and had a commute, I would do something like that if I could store it where I was going .  I carry a spare mag and that puts me at 30 rounds. I hope its enough for now 
Link Posted: 5/3/2017 8:44:45 AM EDT
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Florida seems to be a nexus for crazy crap generally and financial shenanigans specifically.

Hking
Link Posted: 5/4/2017 12:25:56 AM EDT
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Florida seems to be a nexus for crazy crap generally and financial shenanigans specifically.

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Happened to me last year. All the charges were out of France. 
Oddly, the same neighborhood in Paris where several of those hadjis that were involved with the airport bombing were living. You know the one they say is almost a "no-go zone"

makes me wonder if theres res not an inside ring within visa. 
That card was widely used but used at the same places. I didn't make any purchases with that card at any place I hadn't purchased from before and had also used another card at the same places. 
But all they had was that one, debit card number 
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