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Posted: 11/17/2016 6:38:05 PM EDT
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Yes!
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Posted: 11/17/2016 6:49:39 PM EDT
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Kewl beans!!!
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Posted: 11/17/2016 7:19:10 PM EDT
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Will cross a finger or 2
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Posted: 11/17/2016 8:20:34 PM EDT
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Gonna be another intense legislative session.
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Posted: 11/17/2016 9:13:17 PM EDT
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This is HB 375 is it not?
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Posted: 11/17/2016 9:34:44 PM EDT
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YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 11/18/2016 7:46:06 AM EDT
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Wouldn't that just screw over everyone relative to the Gun Free School Zones Act (as updated in 1997)?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Free_School_Zones_Act_of_1990 I think you'd be hard pressed to drive across most cities without coming within 1000 feet of a school. |
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Posted: 11/18/2016 9:17:25 AM EDT
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Just keep OCT and OCTC out or it and maybe it will pass this time.
As an aside, the Dems are planning a bunch of silly shit. I followed OC last session. It wasn't pretty. |
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Posted: 11/18/2016 10:04:25 AM EDT
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Quoted: Looks like the legislature is taking a stab at it. I hope we get it. http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=85R&Bill=HB375 Unlikely. They are more worried about cellular phone use instead of real problems. |
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Posted: 11/18/2016 11:16:23 AM EDT
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Just keep OCT and OCTC out or it and maybe it will pass this time. As an aside, the Dems are planning a bunch of silly shit. I followed OC last session. It wasn't pretty. After all that drama I still have not come across anyone OC'ing. Even where I live in the Hill Country. |
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Posted: 11/18/2016 11:24:54 AM EDT
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After all that drama I still have not come across anyone OC'ing. Even where I live in the Hill Country. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just keep OCT and OCTC out or it and maybe it will pass this time. As an aside, the Dems are planning a bunch of silly shit. I followed OC last session. It wasn't pretty. After all that drama I still have not come across anyone OC'ing. Even where I live in the Hill Country. Totally agree, if the clowns mentioned above get involved we may very well lose rights. Remember the legislators panic buttons? I have seen a couple OCing, but not in the small town I live in. I am also rural, and we do have rattlesnakes, have killed 4, dog bit once, so, sometimes when walking the dog I OC a .38 snubbie with snake show. |
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Posted: 11/18/2016 12:54:51 PM EDT
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Just keep OCT and OCTC out or it and maybe it will pass this time. As an aside, the Dems are planning a bunch of silly shit. I followed OC last session. It wasn't pretty. The sponsor of the bill filed it in behalf of OCT. They are not going anywhere until this gets passed. The OCTC clowns were the ones that were harassing congressmen and were the reason the panic buttons were installed, not OCT. Hopefully, OCT learned some lesson last time around. 
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Posted: 11/18/2016 2:17:26 PM EDT
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.................and we're off.
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/11/17/bill-would-expand-limit-open-carry-in-texas/ |
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Posted: 11/18/2016 2:20:35 PM EDT
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.................and we're off. http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/11/17/bill-would-expand-limit-open-carry-in-texas/ I have never been to Targetmaster, I I PROMISE I never will....fuck that guy! |
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Posted: 11/18/2016 2:31:46 PM EDT
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.................and we're off. http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/11/17/bill-would-expand-limit-open-carry-in-texas/ Welcome to the anti-gun advocate horseshit in our beloved state of Texas! |
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Posted: 11/18/2016 2:56:59 PM EDT
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I have never been to Targetmaster, I I PROMISE I never will....fuck that guy! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.................and we're off. http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/11/17/bill-would-expand-limit-open-carry-in-texas/ I have never been to Targetmaster, I I PROMISE I never will....fuck that guy! I like the guy firing the AR with no rear sight. Got to love the Dem wanting cities to be able to opt out of state laws. 
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Posted: 11/18/2016 3:01:13 PM EDT
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.................and we're off. http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/11/17/bill-would-expand-limit-open-carry-in-texas/ Let me guess. He makes money from CHL classes. How shortsighted. Once again, the greatest impediment to gun rights is other gun owners. How fucking sad. He would make more from CC. We have 1M folks who can carry. Let us make that 15M overnight. Imagine all the additional guns, ammo, holsters, training he would sell. I guess he cannot imagine that. |
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Posted: 11/18/2016 5:14:31 PM EDT
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Let me guess. He makes money from CHL classes. How shortsighted. Once again, the greatest impediment to gun rights is other gun owners. How fucking sad. He would make more from CC. We have 1M folks who can carry. Let us make that 15M overnight. Imagine all the additional guns, ammo, holsters, training he would sell. I guess he cannot imagine that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.................and we're off. http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/11/17/bill-would-expand-limit-open-carry-in-texas/ Let me guess. He makes money from CHL classes. How shortsighted. Once again, the greatest impediment to gun rights is other gun owners. How fucking sad. He would make more from CC. We have 1M folks who can carry. Let us make that 15M overnight. Imagine all the additional guns, ammo, holsters, training he would sell. I guess he cannot imagine that. Micheal Cargill of Central Texas Gunworks teaches CHL too. He supports Constitutional Carry, his attitude is even if you don't need a permit, it is a good idea to be educated of the laws. |
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Posted: 11/18/2016 5:22:58 PM EDT
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Yes
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Posted: 11/18/2016 6:59:34 PM EDT
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After all that drama I still have not come across anyone OC'ing. Even where I live in the Hill Country. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just keep OCT and OCTC out or it and maybe it will pass this time. As an aside, the Dems are planning a bunch of silly shit. I followed OC last session. It wasn't pretty. After all that drama I still have not come across anyone OC'ing. Even where I live in the Hill Country. Finally saw one guy OCing a few weeks ago. It was in the S Austin Costco, of all places, where even CC is not allowed. |
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Posted: 11/18/2016 7:17:49 PM EDT
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Finally saw one guy OCing a few weeks ago. It was in the S Austin Costco, of all places, where even CC is not allowed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just keep OCT and OCTC out or it and maybe it will pass this time. As an aside, the Dems are planning a bunch of silly shit. I followed OC last session. It wasn't pretty. After all that drama I still have not come across anyone OC'ing. Even where I live in the Hill Country. Finally saw one guy OCing a few weeks ago. It was in the S Austin Costco, of all places, where even CC is not allowed. Costco allows both open and concealed carry. I open carry quite often at the Costco in Ceder Psrk. The liquor store off to the side does not allow open carry. Constitutional Carry will require TABC to change their rules. |
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Posted: 11/20/2016 11:32:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/21/2016 8:09:41 AM EDT
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Question.
Would people that are currently not able to qualify for an LTC still not be able to legally carry if constitutional carry were to pass? |
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Posted: 11/21/2016 9:09:57 AM EDT
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Question. Would people that are currently not able to qualify for an LTC still not be able to legally carry if constitutional carry were to pass? Some people, yes. The qualifications for a Texas LTC are stricter than federal and state laws regarding possession of a firearm. There are people that qualify under Penal Code 46.02 to carry a handgun on their own premises or premises under their control, and inside of or enroute to or inside of a motor vehicle or watercraft that they own or that is under their control that do not qualify for an LTC. For example, here are some LTC restrictions that don't apply to other possession of a handgun; being 21 years of age being convicted of a class A or B misdemeanor or Disorderly Conduct within last 5 years charged with class A or B misdemeanor finally determined to be delinquent in making a child support payment administered or collected by the attorney general has not been finally determined to be delinquent in the payment of a tax or other money collected by the comptroller, the tax collector of a political subdivision of the state, or any agency or subdivision of the state has not, in the 10 years preceding the date of application, been adjudicated as having engaged in delinquent conduct violating a penal law of the grade of felony; |
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Posted: 11/21/2016 4:08:41 PM EDT
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"The qualifications for a Texas LTC are stricter than federal and state laws regarding possession of a firearm."
I am still trying to figure out why the state of Texas decided to trammel the law-abiding citizens of their state with onerous burdens of proof, restrictions and other impedimenta with regard to the carry of a handgun. As far as I am aware, no criminal is required to go through all of this business in order to carry whatever they please. it seems counterintuitive to require the average citizen to prove his/her worthiness to be allowed the privilege of carrying something that literally every thug moron can have at will. |
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Posted: 11/21/2016 4:28:24 PM EDT
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Let me guess. He makes money from CHL classes. How shortsighted. Once again, the greatest impediment to gun rights is other gun owners. How fucking sad. He would make more from CC. We have 1M folks who can carry. Let us make that 15M overnight. Imagine all the additional guns, ammo, holsters, training he would sell. I guess he cannot imagine that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.................and we're off. http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/11/17/bill-would-expand-limit-open-carry-in-texas/ Let me guess. He makes money from CHL classes. How shortsighted. Once again, the greatest impediment to gun rights is other gun owners. How fucking sad. He would make more from CC. We have 1M folks who can carry. Let us make that 15M overnight. Imagine all the additional guns, ammo, holsters, training he would sell. I guess he cannot imagine that. It's always over money. I just learned of those fucking scumbags trying to protect their MGs by lobbying the ATF. |
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Posted: 11/21/2016 7:40:26 PM EDT
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Some people, yes. The qualifications for a Texas LTC are stricter than federal and state laws regarding possession of a firearm. There are people that qualify under Penal Code 46.02 to carry a handgun on their own premises or premises under their control, and inside of or enroute to or inside of a motor vehicle or watercraft that they own or that is under their control that do not qualify for an LTC. For example, here are some LTC restrictions that don't apply to other possession of a handgun; being 21 years of age being convicted of a class A or B misdemeanor or Disorderly Conduct within last 5 years charged with class A or B misdemeanor finally determined to be delinquent in making a child support payment administered or collected by the attorney general has not been finally determined to be delinquent in the payment of a tax or other money collected by the comptroller, the tax collector of a political subdivision of the state, or any agency or subdivision of the state has not, in the 10 years preceding the date of application, been adjudicated as having engaged in delinquent conduct violating a penal law of the grade of felony; Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Question. Would people that are currently not able to qualify for an LTC still not be able to legally carry if constitutional carry were to pass? Some people, yes. The qualifications for a Texas LTC are stricter than federal and state laws regarding possession of a firearm. There are people that qualify under Penal Code 46.02 to carry a handgun on their own premises or premises under their control, and inside of or enroute to or inside of a motor vehicle or watercraft that they own or that is under their control that do not qualify for an LTC. For example, here are some LTC restrictions that don't apply to other possession of a handgun; being 21 years of age being convicted of a class A or B misdemeanor or Disorderly Conduct within last 5 years charged with class A or B misdemeanor finally determined to be delinquent in making a child support payment administered or collected by the attorney general has not been finally determined to be delinquent in the payment of a tax or other money collected by the comptroller, the tax collector of a political subdivision of the state, or any agency or subdivision of the state has not, in the 10 years preceding the date of application, been adjudicated as having engaged in delinquent conduct violating a penal law of the grade of felony; A good friend got boned on a Deferred Adjudication long ago - he can and does buy guns and passes his FBI Background check, but because a Deferred is considered a felony conviction FOR HANDGUN LICENSE purposes, he as I understand it, he can't get a Texas LTC. He did the FL (been 18 years since the incident - never in trouble before and never in trouble since) so he passed FL requirements easy. But Texas is just retarded with anything to do with the deferred adjudications and CHL. so how would Constitutional Carry affect a TX resident with a FL license? |
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Posted: 11/22/2016 12:08:34 AM EDT
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A good friend got boned on a Deferred Adjudication long ago - he can and does buy guns and passes his FBI Background check, but because a Deferred is considered a felony conviction FOR HANDGUN LICENSE purposes, he as I understand it, he can't get a Texas LTC. He did the FL (been 18 years since the incident - never in trouble before and never in trouble since) so he passed FL requirements easy. But Texas is just retarded with anything to do with the deferred adjudications and CHL. so how would Constitutional Carry affect a TX resident with a FL license? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Question. Would people that are currently not able to qualify for an LTC still not be able to legally carry if constitutional carry were to pass? Some people, yes. The qualifications for a Texas LTC are stricter than federal and state laws regarding possession of a firearm. There are people that qualify under Penal Code 46.02 to carry a handgun on their own premises or premises under their control, and inside of or enroute to or inside of a motor vehicle or watercraft that they own or that is under their control that do not qualify for an LTC. For example, here are some LTC restrictions that don't apply to other possession of a handgun; being 21 years of age being convicted of a class A or B misdemeanor or Disorderly Conduct within last 5 years charged with class A or B misdemeanor finally determined to be delinquent in making a child support payment administered or collected by the attorney general has not been finally determined to be delinquent in the payment of a tax or other money collected by the comptroller, the tax collector of a political subdivision of the state, or any agency or subdivision of the state has not, in the 10 years preceding the date of application, been adjudicated as having engaged in delinquent conduct violating a penal law of the grade of felony; A good friend got boned on a Deferred Adjudication long ago - he can and does buy guns and passes his FBI Background check, but because a Deferred is considered a felony conviction FOR HANDGUN LICENSE purposes, he as I understand it, he can't get a Texas LTC. He did the FL (been 18 years since the incident - never in trouble before and never in trouble since) so he passed FL requirements easy. But Texas is just retarded with anything to do with the deferred adjudications and CHL. so how would Constitutional Carry affect a TX resident with a FL license? Sidebar; what was the deferred for? Most allow licensing after 10 years. |
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Posted: 11/22/2016 7:59:21 AM EDT
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IM'ed you the details
EDITED - Tried to - Your box is full |
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Posted: 11/22/2016 10:08:41 AM EDT
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IM'ed you the details EDITED - Tried to - Your box is full I'll fix that. |
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Posted: 11/22/2016 4:01:08 PM EDT
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I like the guy firing the AR with no rear sight. Got to love the Dem wanting cities to be able to opt out of state laws. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.................and we're off. http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/11/17/bill-would-expand-limit-open-carry-in-texas/ I have never been to Targetmaster, I I PROMISE I never will....fuck that guy! I like the guy firing the AR with no rear sight. Got to love the Dem wanting cities to be able to opt out of state laws. lol I saw that to! Dude doesn't need a rear sight, he's that good! Sad state of affairs when a gun shop owner is agreeing with laws that infringe on our rights to carry a firearm. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 2:41:47 PM EDT
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lol I saw that to! Dude doesn't need a rear sight, he's that good! Sad state of affairs when a gun shop owner is agreeing with laws that infringe on our rights to carry a firearm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.................and we're off. http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/11/17/bill-would-expand-limit-open-carry-in-texas/ I have never been to Targetmaster, I I PROMISE I never will....fuck that guy! I like the guy firing the AR with no rear sight. Got to love the Dem wanting cities to be able to opt out of state laws. lol I saw that to! Dude doesn't need a rear sight, he's that good! Sad state of affairs when a gun shop owner is agreeing with laws that infringe on our rights to carry a firearm. A guy I work with argued with me a while back. He apparently either watched a video or met an instructor who said no sights were needed, and they teach that in the military. When I called him on it and said the guy was full of shit he really bowed up. I think he is friends with that instructor. I told him to giv his buddy a message from me- I will shoot against him for a dollar a point. I haven't heard back yet. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 10:01:03 PM EDT
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For better or worse Rep. Jonathan Stickland isn't well liked in the legislator by his "peers". He has no love from TSRA as well. Doubt CC will pass under any bill he calls his pet.
I don't like that and could be wrong but he was a burr in the saddle of fellow legislators last session. He has no political juice to get it moved though House or Senate as far as I can see. I'd look at other bills that have the "unintended consequence" of allowing CC in their first or second drafts. |
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Posted: 11/24/2016 5:07:41 PM EDT
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"The qualifications for a Texas LTC are stricter than federal and state laws regarding possession of a firearm." I am still trying to figure out why the state of Texas decided to trammel the law-abiding citizens of their state with onerous burdens of proof, restrictions and other impedimenta with regard to the carry of a handgun. As far as I am aware, no criminal is required to go through all of this business in order to carry whatever they please. it seems counterintuitive to require the average citizen to prove his/her worthiness to be allowed the privilege of carrying something that literally every thug moron can have at will. Texas isn't really some super gun-friendly freedom-burgh. On an overall scale, it's "OK". |
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Posted: 11/24/2016 5:09:02 PM EDT
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Wouldn't that just screw over everyone relative to the Gun Free School Zones Act (as updated in 1997)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Free_School_Zones_Act_of_1990 I think you'd be hard pressed to drive across most cities without coming within 1000 feet of a school. It's been figured out in many states before this one. I'm sure it will be just fine. |
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Posted: 11/24/2016 6:21:17 PM EDT
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Texas isn't really some super gun-friendly freedom-burgh. On an overall scale, it's "OK". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"The qualifications for a Texas LTC are stricter than federal and state laws regarding possession of a firearm." I am still trying to figure out why the state of Texas decided to trammel the law-abiding citizens of their state with onerous burdens of proof, restrictions and other impedimenta with regard to the carry of a handgun. As far as I am aware, no criminal is required to go through all of this business in order to carry whatever they please. it seems counterintuitive to require the average citizen to prove his/her worthiness to be allowed the privilege of carrying something that literally every thug moron can have at will. Texas isn't really some super gun-friendly freedom-burgh. On an overall scale, it's "OK". The funny part is this: I have to ask permission....why? I am not in jail, therefore I MUST be law abiding, right? LMAO, WRONG. The NICS is for checking who is a KNOWN VIOLENT criminal. WHAT!?!?! Why are there known violent criminals walking free? 
So, to summarize a rather lengthy ramble. Person gets sent to jail for a violent act. Justice systems says "yeah, he is NOT safe to own a gun, but let him out anyways" Now, you, myself, and every other person who is law abiding has to have OUR rights violated, because the justice system sucks ass. They create the problem and we have to pay for it.... I cant grasp that concept one fucking bit. If a person is still considered "dangerous", why the fuck are they walking around with us fine folks.
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Posted: 11/25/2016 12:45:56 PM EDT
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Texas isn't really some super gun-friendly freedom-burgh. On an overall scale, it's "OK". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"The qualifications for a Texas LTC are stricter than federal and state laws regarding possession of a firearm." I am still trying to figure out why the state of Texas decided to trammel the law-abiding citizens of their state with onerous burdens of proof, restrictions and other impedimenta with regard to the carry of a handgun. As far as I am aware, no criminal is required to go through all of this business in order to carry whatever they please. it seems counterintuitive to require the average citizen to prove his/her worthiness to be allowed the privilege of carrying something that literally every thug moron can have at will. Texas isn't really some super gun-friendly freedom-burgh. On an overall scale, it's "OK". I disagree. Only the states that already have constitutional carry are better on guns. Once we have this, what more is there? We'll basically be abiding by federal laws only. |
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Posted: 11/25/2016 5:56:15 PM EDT
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Let me guess. He makes money from CHL classes. How shortsighted. Once again, the greatest impediment to gun rights is other gun owners. How fucking sad. He would make more from CC. We have 1M folks who can carry. Let us make that 15M overnight. Imagine all the additional guns, ammo, holsters, training he would sell. I guess he cannot imagine that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.................and we're off. http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/11/17/bill-would-expand-limit-open-carry-in-texas/ Let me guess. He makes money from CHL classes. How shortsighted. Once again, the greatest impediment to gun rights is other gun owners. How fucking sad. He would make more from CC. We have 1M folks who can carry. Let us make that 15M overnight. Imagine all the additional guns, ammo, holsters, training he would sell. I guess he cannot imagine that. Agreed. I teach CHL classes and am totally fine if they make it constitutional carry. One, because I think it is our right and two because then I could actually concentrate on teaching a class that WORKS for students. Right now I have a ton of people wanting to learn how to use guns and get into it for the first time, and instead I have to: 1) Run them through a qualification course with little to no experience. 2) Use about 70% of my course time to teach them about things which could be covered by a pamphlet. 3) Waste a bunch of time on tests, paperwork, and record keeping. Sure, now people wouldn't HAVE to take my course, but that's okay. |
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Posted: 11/25/2016 10:06:12 PM EDT
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I disagree. Only the states that already have constitutional carry are better on guns. Once we have this, what more is there? We'll basically be abiding by federal laws only. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"The qualifications for a Texas LTC are stricter than federal and state laws regarding possession of a firearm." I am still trying to figure out why the state of Texas decided to trammel the law-abiding citizens of their state with onerous burdens of proof, restrictions and other impedimenta with regard to the carry of a handgun. As far as I am aware, no criminal is required to go through all of this business in order to carry whatever they please. it seems counterintuitive to require the average citizen to prove his/her worthiness to be allowed the privilege of carrying something that literally every thug moron can have at will. Texas isn't really some super gun-friendly freedom-burgh. On an overall scale, it's "OK". I disagree. Only the states that already have constitutional carry are better on guns. Once we have this, what more is there? We'll basically be abiding by federal laws only. Fees for licensing are high - Could be better (Off the top of my head - LA is $125 but has an option for lifetime at $500, Utah is $40, AZ is $60, MS is $100 as examples) Giving TXDPS access to medical and mental health records - Gross 51% signs which make carrying an instant felony - Lame Open carry without permit - 20-ish states don't require a permit to OC Texas is "ok". Con Carry will make it better, but there's always room for improvement. |
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Posted: 11/25/2016 10:25:01 PM EDT
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I think it is a great thing, but I don't see it passing. I just don't see Texas giving up the revenue stream. The last I heard, there were close to a million (937000) people with a handgun license in the state. First time it's $140.00, and renewals are $70.00 every 5 years, for what? A piece of plastic.
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Posted: 11/26/2016 1:44:02 AM EDT
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I think it is a great thing, but I don't see it passing. I just don't see Texas giving up the revenue stream. The last I heard, there were close to a million (937000) people with a handgun license in the state. First time it's $140.00, and renewals are $70.00 every 5 years, for what? A piece of plastic. It costs more to run the program than it collects. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 2:57:07 AM EDT
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I think it is a great thing, but I don't see it passing. I just don't see Texas giving up the revenue stream. The last I heard, there were close to a million (937000) people with a handgun license in the state. First time it's $140.00, and renewals are $70.00 every 5 years, for what? A piece of plastic. Plus an extensive background check and fingerprint services from a contractor. Not saying I agree with the concept of govt permission to exercise your rights, I'm just sure that it costs DPS more to issue a license than they collect in fees. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 3:16:32 AM EDT
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I am still trying to figure out why the state of Texas decided to trammel the law-abiding citizens of their state with onerous burdens of proof, restrictions and other impedimenta with regard to the carry of a handgun. Because Democrats. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 5:42:14 AM EDT
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Fees for licensing are high - Could be better (Off the top of my head - LA is $125 but has an option for lifetime at $500, Utah is $40, AZ is $60, MS is $100 as examples) Giving TXDPS access to medical and mental health records - Gross 51% signs which make carrying an instant felony - Lame Open carry without permit - 20-ish states don't require a permit to OC Texas is "ok". Con Carry will make it better, but there's always room for improvement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"The qualifications for a Texas LTC are stricter than federal and state laws regarding possession of a firearm." I am still trying to figure out why the state of Texas decided to trammel the law-abiding citizens of their state with onerous burdens of proof, restrictions and other impedimenta with regard to the carry of a handgun. As far as I am aware, no criminal is required to go through all of this business in order to carry whatever they please. it seems counterintuitive to require the average citizen to prove his/her worthiness to be allowed the privilege of carrying something that literally every thug moron can have at will. Texas isn't really some super gun-friendly freedom-burgh. On an overall scale, it's "OK". I disagree. Only the states that already have constitutional carry are better on guns. Once we have this, what more is there? We'll basically be abiding by federal laws only. Fees for licensing are high - Could be better (Off the top of my head - LA is $125 but has an option for lifetime at $500, Utah is $40, AZ is $60, MS is $100 as examples) Giving TXDPS access to medical and mental health records - Gross 51% signs which make carrying an instant felony - Lame Open carry without permit - 20-ish states don't require a permit to OC Texas is "ok". Con Carry will make it better, but there's always room for improvement. The problem with 'lifetime' permits is those permits won't bypass the NICS check. To bypass NICS you have to renew every 5 years for a new background check. As fucked up as so many bars and restaurants are around here at posting their 51% sign, the penalty needs to be dropped to a class 'A' misdemeanor unless intoxicated. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 8:30:05 AM EDT
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Bars and restaurants don't determine if they are 51%, the TABC does. IMO, it is already unlawful to carry when intoxicated, so 51% should go away.
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Posted: 11/26/2016 8:50:17 AM EDT
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Bars and restaurants don't determine if they are 51%, the TABC does. IMO, it is already unlawful to carry when intoxicated, so 51% should go away. 51% should go away, but as long as it is the law the TABC needs to make sure the signs are posted so you can see them before going in, and not after you are seated and the sign is posted behind the bar with all the other crap on the walls. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 11:52:38 AM EDT
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Just make sure when you show up for the open carry demonstrations you are wearing a ski mask and a Stars and Stripes thong while carrying your gold trimmed AK variant.
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Posted: 11/26/2016 11:13:45 PM EDT
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Bars and restaurants don't determine if they are 51%, the TABC does. IMO, it is already unlawful to carry when intoxicated, so 51% should go away. For the first time ever I actually agree with you. I know in some other states, some of which are more on the blue side, you can conceal or open carry in a bar as long as your lips don't touch alcohol. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 11:36:47 PM EDT
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Plus an extensive background check and fingerprint services from a contractor. Not saying I agree with the concept of govt permission to exercise your rights, I'm just sure that it costs DPS more to issue a license than they collect in fees. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think it is a great thing, but I don't see it passing. I just don't see Texas giving up the revenue stream. The last I heard, there were close to a million (937000) people with a handgun license in the state. First time it's $140.00, and renewals are $70.00 every 5 years, for what? A piece of plastic. Plus an extensive background check and fingerprint services from a contractor. Not saying I agree with the concept of govt permission to exercise your rights, I'm just sure that it costs DPS more to issue a license than they collect in fees. The only thing I can readily find is some 2016/2017 projected budget numbers. Looks like 8-10 million to run the program? |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 11:39:18 PM EDT
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The problem with 'lifetime' permits is those permits won't bypass the NICS check. To bypass NICS you have to renew every 5 years for a new background check. As fucked up as so many bars and restaurants are around here at posting their 51% sign, the penalty needs to be dropped to a class 'A' misdemeanor unless intoxicated. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fees for licensing are high - Could be better (Off the top of my head - LA is $125 but has an option for lifetime at $500, Utah is $40, AZ is $60, MS is $100 as examples) Giving TXDPS access to medical and mental health records - Gross 51% signs which make carrying an instant felony - Lame Open carry without permit - 20-ish states don't require a permit to OC Texas is "ok". Con Carry will make it better, but there's always room for improvement. The problem with 'lifetime' permits is those permits won't bypass the NICS check. To bypass NICS you have to renew every 5 years for a new background check. As fucked up as so many bars and restaurants are around here at posting their 51% sign, the penalty needs to be dropped to a class 'A' misdemeanor unless intoxicated. Why any crime if you're just in a bar with a concealed weapon? Sure, if you decide to drink, make it a crime. Walking into Frank's Taco Hut and Bar with a gun and no intention of drinking should never be a crime (unless the owner is putting up .06 and .07 signs, even as silly as that is). |
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