Hey folks, I dont know ho many o you folks live in Tarrant County, but for those that do, I strongly urge you vote to vote for Bill Waybourn.

If it wasnt for the publicity Dallas PD gets, Tarrant County Sheriffs Office might be the most dysfunctional law enforcement agency in North Texas.  The way TCSO is currently run shows a lack of  overall leadership from the current sheriff.  You have deputies that are encouraged NOT to pull people over for fear of the sheriff looking bad in someone's eyes.  Deputies are almost encouraged by command to park somewhere in their cruisers, instead of doing much patrol work.  There is a no pursuit policy in place, and it is extremely tight, to the point that even violent felonies aren't pursuit worthy.  They are not even allowed to make stops in any incorporated city in Tarrant County.  Sure, deputies have a job to do, but they are literally petrified to do it, fearing that they will incur the wraith of the current Sheriff and his command staff lackeys.  This has caused a deep morale problem within the organization that seems to continue to fester.  

Equipment is another issue.  TCSO is not allowed to carry a carbine, only a shotgun.  Only 4 rounds can be carried for the shotgun, because that is all they qualify with yearly (note: security guards fire more rounds for qualifications).  If caught on a "routine inspection" carrying more than allowed, the deputy can be subject to discipline.  Deputies can also NOT carry more than the allotted amount of magazines for their service pistol.  Again, getting caught with more is a departmental infraction.  The current Sheriff refuses to purchase tasers, and the training to use them because the apparently batons are still the kinder, gentler means of gaining compliance.

If I didnt mention this was Tarrant County, you might think it was Dallas County.


On the other hand the cat running against him, Bill Waybourn, would free deputies to patrol Tarrant County.  To help out citizens of the county, whether they live in a city or not.  While the pursuit policy wont be wide open, it wont be restrictive to the point where the bad guys can just drive away.  He will let his deputies pull over people for breaking the law.  He will modernize the department's equipment, and offer the deputes more leeway in their choices of equipment.  He will sign off on C3 stuff because he doesnt believe a citizen needs to show a need, only a want and desire to on the.  So vote for Bill Waybourn.

Contradictory. If there is no pursuit policy, then it can't be " extremely tight, to the point that even violent felonies aren't pursuit worthy."



I am FFL and Anderson has been signing NFA forms for my customers since he was elected.



No. He will NEVER sign off on NFA.



Is the rest of your post as inaccurate as these claims?

Please answer OP?  Tell us more about NFA and class 3?

According to current and former Tarrant County deputies I am friends and acquaintances with, Waybourn will sign off on C3.  The former are afraid to post anything negative on the current sheriff for fear of retribution (similar to what Sheriff Valdez did to deputy Rodriguez in Dallas).

So your friends and acquaintances have an axe to grind with the current Sherriff?  

I use to work for Sheriff Anderson and working under him was a nightmare. You do NOT mess with his voters. Conducting any real police work is highly frowned upon. Relationships with other departments in the county is pathetic. Anderson pretty much said the city departments can handle their own so stay away. It is so easy to get in trouble working there, and most of it was for silly things. Many of the guys I went to the academy with has left the county for different departments. I know many Deputies are looking forward to having a new Sheriff in town.

I only thing I like about Anderson was that he was very NFA friendly. He will sign off on on NFA items.

Not so much an axe to grind, as they feel he isnt worthy of the title anymore.

My point is 41F makes signing a non-issue long before he could get into office.

Its time for a change in the SO. Anderson needs to go. He has practically destroyed that department.

MPD165

I'd like to hear more about what Anderson has/hasn't done.  I do know for a fact he signs NFA paperwork, but again will soon be a non-issue.  I also know for a fact his department has the no pursuit policy in place but aside from those things not much else.



What I do know about Waybourn is that he spent like 30+ years as chief of Dalworthington Gardens PD.  For those who dont know, DWG is a very small suburb within Arlington and its residents are upper-middle class, as in most homes starting around $400-$500k, for a total population of like 2000.  My concern here is that for a guy who was chief of a small PD for a town of 2000, how in the world is that going to translate to being sheriff for a major urban county?  You can't take Mayberry approach that actually could work in DWG and apply it there yet everything I read about him suggests that that is what he's going to do.  

Dee Anderson was a detective in Arlington.  While much larger than DWG, Arlington still doesnt have a huge police force.  Coincidentally, he replaced a guy that destroyed TCSO's morale too.

I don't think it'll be too much of a concern going to a county from a small town PD. One thing he may struggle(at first) with is the huge budget compared to DWG. He'll have to manage a handful of county jails and patrol operations, but he'll have Chief Deputies he can delegate those task to. Police work wise, that won't be too hard to change. He'll definitely let his patrol deputies operate like his officers at DWG.  If anyone has been to DWG, you know what I'm talking about.

Anderson signed my form 4s with no problem (while the Grapevine Police Chief was an ass). Anderson will ALWAYS get my vote!

So I am just asking, for real, did Waybourn shoot himself in the hand accidentally?
 

Cut and pasted from Dee Andersons website

Add Lee Paige, DEA to the list of endorsements. Says Lee " Bill and are the only ones Professional enough  to carry a gun."

2013 murky details but it was not reported to police, and he filed workmans comp, which is questionable for an LEO teaching a non-LEO the CHL class.

Yea, I am finding more out.  I will admit having no problem with Anderson, but have been on fence even though I voted for him.  I just don't know enough about what is going on to spur the challenge.  

 

After finding this information, and the "facts" around it, if a change is needed, WAYBOURN IS NOT THAT CHANGE!  


This is amazing that a law enforcement official would attempt something like this and speaks volumes to character.  NUFF SAID.


You want a scandal cover up as sheriff or you want to wait for somebody that is what they say they are?

Yeah the workmans's comp claim for a non-on-the-job injury has potential to turn this into a Paxton like affair, where someone elected gets indicted.

Desire to know more about the Waybourn shooting intensifies.  Links?

ETA: I read the Dee Anderson page thing.  Interesting he lists inexperience, Anderson didnt have much experience when he got elected.  It's also funny he mentions speed traps when TCSO has a habit of setting one up in unincorporated Tarrant County off of Forest Hill Rd, but OK.

In the end, I guess the thing that troubles me most is how ticky tack the "leadership" is within the department is.  Spot checking deputies for violations on things like carrying too much ammo.  Dont pull too many people over.

While these things matter, in the end I guess I worry more about honesty and integrity.  I realize it sometimes comes in shades of gray, the infraction listed seems to me to be a full blown black.

If its black you'll have no problem providing more info.  So again, links?  I asked some deputies about it and was, "There is far more to it than that".  They havent said what it is because they're on duty right now.  So Im holding you to the same stndard as I hold them.  More info.

You have google like I do.  I will spoon feed you one link.  If you want to know the truth about things like I do, you will use google to the best of it's ability, to try to find the truth.  









Here is your one link.  Search more.. by the way, the city has NO BUSINESS BEING INVOLVED IN COMPETITION WITH PRIVATE ENTERPRISE. If Waybourn wants to teach CHL he should do it on his off time.  There will be no question of ethics then.  The city should not be involved in competing with citizens on business ventures.  










Your veiled I know deputies stuff, smells of disgruntled employees with axes to grind.  


 

If you're going to make claims, you support them.  "Google it" isnt supporting your argument.  



I did indeed post propaganda, however, only one person has posted a link to a candidates website thus far, and that's you.  That said, I posted that piece of propaganda in response to the fellow asking if he had the necessary experience.  Do tell how how they are "half truths".  Does he almost have the support of those various law enforcement agencies and the majority of the Tarrant County Constables he listed?  Did he halfway serve in the air force?  Is he only sorta telling the truth or lying about his certs?  



Well we have two people familiar, more so than you and I, pretty much telling you how things are going in the Tarrant County Sheriffs Office.  None of them are any of my acquaintances.  



Yay!  A link.  I read it.  Twice.  Seems the class he was teaching when the ND/AD (although AD is the least likely) happened wasnt a CHL class.  It was coined an "outreach class".  There are many rather conservative leaning small towns and counties all over Texas and the US that teach citizenry how to shoot.  They do so in official capacity.  The idea is to get more people into shooting that would feel more comfortable if there was a cop teaching (I roll my eyes, but whatever...).  It also seems the city staff knew about it, and encouraged it.  It also seems an Alderman wasnt sure it was city sanctioned, but that he would defer to the CA.  To be honest, that's a poorly written article because the author seems to interchange CHL classes and basic protocol classes (this is what you do and dont do type classes) with no regard.  

The student said she didnt pay, Waybourn asked for no payment, the city understood it was not a CHL for profit class.  How that can be seen as "competition with private enterprise" I guess just eludes me.  If you have a problem with a cop teaching CHL classes in his or her off time, well, there's a metric ton of them out there doing it.  A Saginaw cop teaches at a shitty range in Ft Worth




There is nothing "veiled" I do know Tarrant County sheriffs deputies and deputy constables.  I know a handful of Ft Worth cops.  Friends of friends are in LE in Tarrant County.  They all say the same thing about the Anderson regime.  The way I hear them speak and see the text, I wouldnt say they are disgruntled, a disgruntled employee wont stic around/  Flumaxed, maybe disgusted, are more appropriate as their morale is shot out.  But forget that stuff for a second.  You have a former TCSO deputy in this very thread pretty much corroborating what I've said, and I dont even know him/her.  You alo have another person in that county that is, obstensibly, a police officer in that county calling for an end to Anderson as sheriff.  Again, I dont know him/her.  This is a small thread, not even 2 pages yet, but there are people I dont know saying exactly what I have said

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Is that anything like..."some anonymous deputies I know said...."







 

My personal take on why Waybourn is running?  Think about it for a sec.  A police chief of 30 years or however long it was retires then has an overwhelming desire to run for sheriff?  Why not just run for sheriff while you were still active police chief?  My guess here is that he found out his retirement package wasn't enough and needs some extra.





I have not decided who to vote for.  I understand one candidate is going to try to run the other down, that happens with any race.  But Anderson damn sure has not had any of the drama in operations of others of equivalent size (Dallas County).  No I honestly don't know what morale is like in the department but let's also be realistic here too.  With any sheriff department, there will almost always be high turnover in larger urban areas like this one specifically because of jailer positions.  Is this the reason for the morale problem?  A couple of members here in this thread have said there's a morale problem but the only specifics provided are the no pursuit policy for patrol and being dressed down for too much ammo or not enough.  Anything else?





 

And I honestly had no favoritism.  I have been wondering for a while, in very neutral flavor, why should I vote for Waybourn or against Anderson.  I have had no axe to grind with either.  

 

I could have very well have voted for Waybourn out of ignorance.  Working in the fire service for quite a long time now, I see how the internal disgruntled issues get blown out of proportion and how leaders have their flaws.  What I also know is when you work in public service you don't mix in private ventures.  You don't dabble in competition with other peoples private business ventures.  No city or county should have a stake in CHL certification classes, for profit or non.  This is within the confines of the current structure of laws we have to deal with.  I believe the Constitution is our license, but that is a different thread.


If you are a chief or some such, you do these types of things on your own, off duty.  You fill out a piece of paper that says this is my off duty job, the public employer reviews it and says ok or not ok.  I have never seen anybody be denied an off duty job.  Up to and including security in a strip club.  


This injury that Waybourn had troubles me greatly.  The fact it was claimed on workers comp troubles me more.  One thing I have learned is where there is smoke there is usually fire.  This whole situation seems to spawn from somebody stretching the limits of what qualifies for duty.  That will not stop with this one instance.  That will lead to more and more on varying issues.   I have seen people who do this type of thing, and there is no learning of lessons.  They push because that is their way.  Not always a bad trait.  It is, however, when one doesn't know the line between what is right and what is not right.  

You dont have to take my word.  But your comparison of me telling you to provide links to prove your assertion (which by the way, you havent done yet, your own link says the person getting the training wasnt paying the chief and the chief never mentioned payment), and me citing both acquaintances and people in this very thread is as faulty a comparison as there is.  You dont have to believe me, but what about the two posters in here that have corroborated what my acquaintances have said.



Your logic is screwed up.  So if I'm to spend the funds on a vowel, for the love of Odin, buy a clue.



One of the problems with the article is the confusion between CHL classes and a basic instruction block.  As I said earlier, the article seem to use the two types of classes interchangeably, and that leads to confusion.  

He says he teaches for profit CHL classes when off duty.  You dont have a problem with that, nor do I (nor should any capitalist minded individual).  According to your article, the one you linked to, he was not teaching a for profit class of any kind.  He was helping her to get a CHL, by teaching fundamentals (which we can all agree he fucked up on), but not teaching a CHL class.

One of the first things many gun ranges ask people is, "Have you ever shot or handled a gun?"  If a person seems hesitant or answers in the negative, they are taken to a classroom for a small classroom block on the cardinal rules of gun safety, additional range rules, and perhaps some simple tips.  Ranges that do this usually charge nothing as it saves them money from and heartburn.  I have no problem with anybody doing this.  I have no problem with a police department offering this service as they are tasked with keeping the community safe, and I feel teaching a basic gun safety class is an excellent use of funds to aid in keeping communities safe.  Heck, Dallas PD had a community outreach program on safe motorcycle riding, conducted by an on duty Dallas cop.  There are several other programs taught by on duty officers in many municipalities that fall under community outreach and safety, why should safe use of firearms be any different?  With this said, I would have a problem if a cop was teaching for profit CHL classes while getting paid to be a cop.

Eye of the beholder and all....

Waybourn just on the news.  Running down the new jail.  In his opinion, yada yada yada, bad stuff bad stuff.


Have you been in the new jail?

Waybourn:No but I heard.......



MMMMKay, thanks for playing.  


Texas Commission on Jail Standards says the jail is in compliance and be operated at full capacity as needed.  Waybourn is wrong.  

And that is precisely what I was getting at in one of my previous replies.  Dallas County on the other hand has had a lot of drama over the years including not being able to get their jail up to state standards.  Anderson has, so why in the world attack him there?  It makes no sense.



Waybourn just gives me the impression that he is running simply because he wants a fatter paycheck than what he received at DWG.



 

TCSO passes every year because they micromanage like crazy and prepare the entire year. I don't think a person knows how bad it is unless you worked at the SO. Since you are required to work in the jails first, I remember we had to ask permission to use the restroom that was literally 4' away. Anderson also took away 50% of radios in the jail. Half of the jailers are with inmates without radios. Officer safety was not a priority for Anderson. Anderson shut down the jail SRT because inmates complained they were too aggressive. The jails were never full on purpose and that was so he can keep his officer to inmate ratio to standard according to TCJS. Tarrant County is a great place to commit a crime because the chances of you being in jail long, if at all, is slim. That's why we are known as Tolerant County by inmates/criminals. I worked there for 3 years and only saw him once. He always stays in his building in downtown. At least with the dept I'm with now, I see the Chief a few times a month. You never hear drama from TCSO because Anderson doesn't want his guys doing anything. When you don't do anything, you don't get into anything.

Employees want change because the morale is extremely bad. That's why so many people leave. No one likes to work at a place where you are treated like a child.

ETA: before Anderson, the Sheriff before him would send his jailers to the police academy and also carry your peace officer TCOLE commission if you paid your way through the academy. Alot of jailers were Deputy Sheriffs. When Anderson came into office, he decided to not carry their(jailers) peace officer license anymore. Not entirely sure the reasoning for that but it sure did make a lot of people mad.

This maybe the case.  But change to a worse 'bad', defeats the purpose.  Putting somebody in there that, as I am finding out, has run a campaign like Waybourn has would be a mistake.  Anderson says this is his last go round.  To bad there wasn't a better alternative.  The gsw to the hand throws me way over the edge.  The outreach classes, chl stuff, not a plus for him either.  Sounds good but these are private venture issues.  Cities don't need to get involved in that.  They turn into pet favor projects, which sounds like what happened when he got shot in the hand.  

 




I have no way at this moment to refute or confirm your claims.  Sorry you had it bad.  Maybe Anderson needs to go, but not in lieu of Waybourn.  I will wait for fresh field of candidates next go round.  



*typical agitator type I work with...has never taken a promotional or at least not seriously studied, always thinks their plan is better, has a record of write ups and says if you don't get in trouble from time to time it means you are lazy and don't do anything(gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelette).  They always have a better solution but never try to promote to implement their plan, then say it's not fair because nobody ever listens to their good ideas.(which are usually crack pot and see only a small portion of what immediately effects them and nobody else.)

All Dee Anderson ever was with Arlington was a PIO.

And the only reason you'd know that is that he was Arlington's PIO during the search for and subsequent murder investigation of Amber Hagerman.

That's how he retired. He was also a detective.  And he had years of experience in the field.  Again I am not the Dee Anderson champion. I just think he is currently a better choice than a guy who was chief since he was 24, lied about the jail issues, and shot himself in the hand.

We all like different things.  I will support the eventual winner the people pick, no matter who it is.  But today I voted Anderson.  Vote your conscience and good luck.

Interesting Dallas, Denton and Tarrant county have so many issues, and are right next to each other.

Anderson quit carrying Peace Officer licenses in the jail because training hours were a nightmare. That is my understanding at least. Travis couldn't stay out of the news, fortunately he is out. hopefully murphree will be better.

Glad Murphree is in.  I had forgotten to pay attention.  Heard a lot of stuff from a lot of people on the former, none good that I can remember.  


 

*Just saw the results.  Congratulations to Mr. Waybourn.  I hope he has a good, transparent, and successful administration.  

Well this time next year we'll see how things are going.  Hopefully for the better.

Guess I'll have to start watching for speed traps based on DWG reputation.

Glad waybourn got it.

That is one thing you'll have to watch out for. People are going to hate driving in unincorporated areas of Tarrant County just like people are afraid to drive through DWG and Pantego.

Now we need to get Launius in office in Dallas County (good luck with that).