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The road Getting there was easy since this was my second time there. Went through the gates around 10pm Friday night. Camping and weather I heard it was forecasted to rain, there was some light showers while driving up but none on Friday. My accommodations were a single cab dodge and a woobie. Extras was a softshell and towel as a pillow. Weather was nice and barely chilly, one window cranked was the cake. Slept like a pig. In-pro and briefings In-processing was really fast, I was the first one. Unfortunately there was a nice line soon after that but it got handled well and it cleared up. The brief was short and sweet, a prayer was said. A time card was used this time. It made processing at the stages much easier. Gear The rifle got rebuilt, it got more fancy stuff but the lower and scope remained the same. It ran fine with wolf 55gr 223 ammo with only several user induced errors. I did not seat my mags and thus they kept falling out during a stage. Glad I did not have bipod or fore grip, it enabled me to stick the rifle in between barricades and tight spaces. Also, it meant less points to get hung up on. I found myself anchoring the rifle against something to shoot while standing and kneeling whenever possible. However, I was also anchoring the rifle way too high, causing me to tip toe to see through my scope. It is more of a training issue but I see it being corrected easily. There was 4 full 30 rounders’ and a 20rounder as my 3 round mag. Pistol was an SW M&P, it shot good with only one ?failure. During a stage, the slide did not close. It brought up a new round but failed to close completely. (Dumb ass moment) I lightly tapped the slide forward but it remained open. I racked the slide again and the round did not eject, instead it turned it into a double feed of sorts. I was slightly panicking while I tried to drop the mag. I hit the mag release but the mag did not move. To add to my troubles, I could not grip the base pads due to some nerve damage in my left arm/hand. Thankfully, It was a fresh mag as I had done a tac reload and sorta had the other mag in my hands. (In hindsight, malfunction was probably due to limp wristing.) I used the other mag’s feed lips as a pry bar and kicked the stuck mag out. The double feed cleared and I slapped the unstuck mag in, racked the slide and continued the stage. I took 100 rounds and 5 mags this time, I really hated the fact that I needed more ammo. I took the same tactical tailor split mav as October but I made a few changes. I was going to run with a rifle taco and a dual pistol mag pouch on a belt along with a safariland mid-ride holster but I left the pouches out. They were blocked by my gp/dump pouch. I replace the shingles from last year with the taco combo, this made for easier drawing, I may have torn/broke the glue on the inside of one of the pistol tacos by jamming a mag in there while the feed lips was holding the pouch material. Nothing a dab of super glue won’t fix. The Gp/dump pouch was awesome. It ran a little high and awkward for mag retention during the stages but apart from that. I may get something similar and smaller but for now I might move it and call it good. On my right side was 2 tactical tailor mag pouches. They can hold more but mostly held one 30round mag each and a time card. For my first stage I stuck a 20round mag in there. The 30 and 20 round together made it a pain to get to the 20rounder. Probably a different pouch or setup. The hydration pouch was from condor, light weaved onto the mav. The bottom moved aroud a tad and slightly interfered with the rifle slung on the bag. I crammed a cleaning rod and trail mix into the pouch. Unfortunately, I found the bladder leaking through a small hole upon emptying it after the course. For furture use, I should add pouches to it. But that brings it to stuff heard, someone was having an issue with their backpack. The backpack also was too bulking for several obstacles, I believe the sweet spot is a dedicated hydration pack with pockets. That should probably ideal. Untitled by Crazy people Concepts, on Flickr The course It deferred slightly from October and I had to recheck my bearings multiple times because I was auto-piloting the trails. I had second thoughts about the zip line because of my arm. I did a: “F it” and tried it anyways. Glad I did not take a dip. Stage 2, 3 and 4 was made easier with a fiber optic sight. I had a truglo tfo this time. The front grow a nice green even in the trees. Stage 6 was pretty good too except for not completing it. I am embarrassed to say that I did not have enough 9mm ammo. It was nice to complete stage 5 this time. It consisted of 5 sections: barricade, tractor, pallets, carpet prone and box of doom/ “BOOM” The barricade and tractor was fairly easy. Stick rifle in hole, hit target move and repeat. The pallet box was similar, till my feet got stuck in the pallet base and I fell backwards. I managed to lay my rifle down, stop myself with my hands. Prone on the carpet was fairly easy and so was prone in box. Except that the box of doom was a giant steel echo chamber. I’m glad there was no comp on the rifle this time. This was where I had my mag seating issues but it got solved pretty quickly. The only other stage with any really issue was the speed wall, stage 8. I managed to flunk on the first section on the mail fence again. Hopefully, I’ll get better. Final thoughts I’m considering the move to a belt setup with suspenders for extra support for the next go about. Maybe a slightly smaller dump pouch and chest rig. A hydration pack would top it off. Making the whole thing, more err…. Lower profiled. Meaning less snagging points while moving around and more obtrusive to. Don’t walk and reload mags, especially with gloves on. I should just have taken the break and consulted ammo without losing precious rounds. And finally, don’t fall off the zip line. Especially with all your gear on. Thanks to Txpopgun for the pics! DSC_0456 by Crazy people Concepts, on Flickr |
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Nice write up tinythief.
FWIW, the first step in clearing a double feed is to lock the slide to rear. This relieves some of the tension on the magazine feed lips allowing the mag to be more easily stripped from the gun. Either way the mag will need to be physically stripped since the nose of the top bullet is hung up on the feed ramp while the rear is still being gripped by the magazine feed lips. Locking the slide back first just makes the magazine easier to strip. I agree that a belt rig and hydration pack is definitely the way to go. |
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Nice write up tinythief. FWIW, the first step in clearing a double feed is to lock the slide to rear. This relieves some of the tension on the magazine feed lips allowing the mag to be more easily stripped from the gun. Either way the mag will need to be physically stripped since the nose of the top bullet is hung up on the feed ramp while the rear is still being gripped by the magazine feed lips. Locking the slide back first just makes the magazine easier to strip. View Quote You mean it's not tap, rack, panic, panic, PANIC then just fk it? I really need to work on my pistol and rifle malfunction clearing. That and improving my gear selection. |
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Thanks for the detailed writeup tinythief. Sounds like lots of fun and a great way to find out the weaknesses in your gear. I might have to try this out the next time they have it.
You didn't bring your dslr? I guess lugging around a big camera would not work in this situation . Maybe a head or gun mounted GoPro? |
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Thanks for the detailed writeup tinythief. Sounds like lots of fun and a great way to find out the weaknesses in your gear. I might have to try this out the next time they have it. You didn't bring your dslr? I guess lugging around a big camera would not work in this situation . Maybe a head or gun mounted GoPro? View Quote Did not want to bring it around, I'll be too interested in shooting the dslr than shooting my guns. I was going to bring my contours but I forgot to dig em out. its just one of those things. o try to bring all my rifle gear and forget something else. Strongly considering to volunteer as a camaera guy this October. Don't know how that's going to happen, it's too far ahead to plan. |
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LOL Awesome write-up Jim.
I plan to be there with you in October. Now's the time to start training! |
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Great AARs. Thanks for posting.
Smoothest event I've worked yet. Super busy at work this week and I'm running another shoot this weekend. I'll post my experience next week or so. |
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Nice detailed AAR Txjim42.
Sometimes an event is a catalyst to help motivate you into getting into a higher fitness level. Great job! ETA: I'm thinking about getting one those combat shirts your son is wearing for the next run, How does he like it? I pretty much wear a BDU jacket to fight off the poison, oak,ivy, sumac. Those shirts look like they run pretty cool and dry. |
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scores are inbound. They have been tabulated by the firm of Boyd, Dewey, Kowntum and shlow, (lol) and sealed in a jar being sent by USPS . We all know how that is but thay shall be up shortly and I,ll put them here too.
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txjim42, I want to echo sowah and inquire about your son's combat shirt. That looks pretty much what I was wanting: long sleeves, pocket on upper sleeve (to hold time card), intregral elbow pads and performance water wicking material if possible.
Do you know what brand, source, and cost? Did he have issues with it. Thanks. |
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The NSN says it's a real Massif FR. $40 on ebay for a $300 shirt....the ad does state they are liquidators. So seems good to me.
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scores are inbound. They have been tabulated by the firm of Boyd, Dewey, Kowntum and shlow, (lol) and sealed in a jar being sent by USPS . We all know how that is but thay shall be up shortly and I,ll put them here too. View Quote Sorry for the delay but the chief has been busy with family, regular job , farming, 3 battleroad web sights, and the radio show that he cut short tonight to try to get the scores posted. Trying to extract them from Office Pro 600 of something like that right now. Thank you guys for your patience and attending the event. |
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The shirt was made by a subcontractor Mount Rogers CSB, it is a substance abuse program in Virginia, the CSB is for Community Service Board. They do contract manufacturing.
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Nice detailed AAR Txjim42. Sometimes an event is a catalyst to help motivate you into getting into a higher fitness level. Great job! ETA: I'm thinking about getting one those combat shirts your son is wearing for the next run, How does he like it? I pretty much wear a BDU jacket to fight off the poison, oak,ivy, sumac. Those shirts look like they run pretty cool and dry. View Quote That's an Army Combat Shirt, by Massif, available off of Ebay for cheap usually.... Personally, I hate them if not wearing body armor/required to wear an actualy uniform. A HW-BDU or DCU shirt with no tshirt underneath is much more comfortable, and durable in my opinion. I dislike how the sleeves are tight and slightly padded, making them just absorb and hold sweat, and not allowing any airflow on the arms. Also the chest portion, while super thin, is also extremely non-durable. Oh, and the flame-retardant coating makes them smell like cat piss. Of course, these things are all just 100% my preference, and I will add that if wearing body armor, they are the best thing since sliced bread: wick the sweat off your torso, without any extra material and buttoms/zippers up the front to rub. |
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Pics are rolling in here: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.476776392471393.1073741825.118063521676017&type=1
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I thought I would do much better than October. I took half an hour off my time but I ended up moving 17 places off Octobers placing. Just goes to show you what mud will do. I also noticed the shooting times were considerably reduced as well. I know I shot alot better, especially the speed wall since I went 9 for 9 on it. No matter it just shows always room for improvement. I appreciated the ROs effort in supporting the ZDB. Job well done and an event that everyone enjoyed.
thanks for the photo link I found I was in several. |
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Any word on the Fall/October dates? I really want to make this but my fall is filling up quick.
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The next BRZDB will be Saturday October 10, 2015. I need to arrange my time off as well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Any word on the Fall/October dates? I really want to make this but my fall is filling up quick. The next BRZDB will be Saturday October 10, 2015. I need to arrange my time off as well. Tickets are already up, FYI. |
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Any word on the Fall/October dates? I really want to make this but my fall is filling up quick. The next BRZDB will be Saturday October 10, 2015. I need to arrange my time off as well. Tickets are already up, FYI. I think I might give this a try. Looks like fun. |
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Any word on the Fall/October dates? I really want to make this but my fall is filling up quick. The next BRZDB will be Saturday October 10, 2015. I need to arrange my time off as well. Thanks! Checked the website and it still shows the April date. Aggie football off week and no other races scheduled that day, that I'm aware of, so looks like I'll make it to this one. |
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I'll probably get tickets soon, I did find a smaller dump pouch. Just not got it yet.
Trying to pursade my girl friend to do it. |
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I'll be there again. May bring a different rifle this time for something new
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Quoted: I'll probably get tickets soon, I did find a smaller dump pouch. Just not got it yet. Trying to pursade my girl friend to do it. View Quote A lot of women ran the last one, so she won't be alone. I've run the last two and haven't seen the need for a dump pouch. Everything would probably fall out of most models going over the obstacles anyway. |
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A lot of women ran the last one, so she won't be alone. I've run the last two and haven't seen the need for a dump pouch. Everything would probably fall out of most models going over the obstacles anyway. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'll probably get tickets soon, I did find a smaller dump pouch. Just not got it yet. Trying to pursade my girl friend to do it. A lot of women ran the last one, so she won't be alone. I've run the last two and haven't seen the need for a dump pouch. Everything would probably fall out of most models going over the obstacles anyway. Nah, not for the general course. Just for mag changes during the firing stages, mag rentition and not stuffing used mags back in their pouches |
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Thanks! Checked the website and it still shows the April date. Aggie football off week and no other races scheduled that day, that I'm aware of, so looks like I'll make it to this one. View Quote For some reason the link isn't as easy to find as it should be. https://www.eventbrite.com/e/battle-road-usas-zombie-destruction-biathlon-october-10th-2015-tickets-16562080629 |
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Time-off requests after August are on hold here. I've been telling my supervisors I will be off that weekend.
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The website lists both Oct 10 and 11 dates for the event in multiple pages. On the home page it has both Oct 10 & 11 with one in the title and the other in the schedule. You might mention it to the powers that be this could present some confusion. I sure was.
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I asked Mark - there were some prizes for the top winners. Mostly stuff donated by the one or two vendors and some of the ROs. They can't seem to get good sponsors despite the popularity of the event. I was happy to finally complete Stage 8 The Speed Wall at this last event. First time evah! I had one second left on the clock when they called my last hit. <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/idzM6tDVj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/661/zM6tDV.jpg</a> <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/f0tCBgYUj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/540/tCBgYU.jpg</a> View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Looking at pics, were there prizes for top places this year? I asked Mark - there were some prizes for the top winners. Mostly stuff donated by the one or two vendors and some of the ROs. They can't seem to get good sponsors despite the popularity of the event. I was happy to finally complete Stage 8 The Speed Wall at this last event. First time evah! I had one second left on the clock when they called my last hit. <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/idzM6tDVj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/661/zM6tDV.jpg</a> <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/f0tCBgYUj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/540/tCBgYU.jpg</a> That doesn't look like an AK to me... |
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The website lists both Oct 10 and 11 dates for the event in multiple pages. On the home page it has both Oct 10 & 11 with one in the title and the other in the schedule. You might mention it to the powers that be this could present some confusion. I sure was. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
The website lists both Oct 10 and 11 dates for the event in multiple pages. On the home page it has both Oct 10 & 11 with one in the title and the other in the schedule. You might mention it to the powers that be this could present some confusion. I sure was. Thanks for bringing that up. At least the registration page appears correct. Quoted:
That doesn't look like an AK to me... Something had to go in the trashcan. |
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I believe my fellow akforum members would take issue with the trashcan comment.
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I know it was all in good fun, I was continuing the theme. The two ZBDs I have participated in I have used a Sig 556R. It is not an AK but close. I wanted a optic as well for those 250 m shots. I have not had any trouble with the stage 8, it was alot of fun I wish it had more shots.
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Just found out that I'll be out of town for this one, again. Pretty pissed about missing all 3 since I first heard about it, but got the blessing from the rib to go in April 2016 if it's on our anniversary weekend again.
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Make it a team event and then do something she really likes. I say that but it is tough to get my spouse to shoot any long gun. She likes pistols, besides the hot, sweaty, running,.....
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Quoted: Make it a team event and then do something she really likes. I say that but it is tough to get my spouse to shoot any long gun. She likes pistols, besides the hot, sweaty, running,..... View Quote A team category would be cool. Can't really be competitive running with anyone else due to the wait times. |
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It is with great sadness to say that the co- founder and property owner of Battleroadusa has passed away. Micheal Adam was a friend and all around great person who did much to advance shooting sports. At this time I have no Info on the next biathlon , but we will keep everyone informed.
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