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How can I (Civilian) see who was been running my plates, and other "MDT accessible" info? I believe an entry is made each time this occurs...would a FOI request get me there?
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I'm remembering a story about a Florida Highway Patrol officer who arrested a Miami cop and pissed off the LE community. Somehow it came to her (or her lawyer) attention there were suddenly like 80, or 100 queries by fellow LEO's looking up her address and such.
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The requests are all logged through the state recording agency - (NCIC is FBI, TCIC is maintained by DPS in Texas). All local records are stored in TCIC for Texas (DL's, LP info, etc). Each query is associated to an individual account for each Officer. This information is not public record. It can be requested by LE through formal subpeonas for investigation but not for public dissemination.
I would imagine she got that information since there was a formal investigation into harassment and official misuse of the criminal records section. |
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I appreciate the explanation.
In my case a friend implied that an LE aquaintance of ours has been snooping (nothing to hide here). Rather than make a big deal about it, I thought it would be nice to confront this aquaintance with some data. Oh well... |
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How can I (Civilian) see who was been running my plates, and other "MDT accessible" info? I believe an entry is made each time this occurs...would a FOI request get me there? Please be quiet. Adults are talking. |
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I appreciate the explanation. In my case a friend implied that an LE aquaintance of ours has been snooping (nothing to hide here). Rather than make a big deal about it, I thought it would be nice to confront this aquaintance with some data. Oh well... View Quote If you are truly concerned I would suggest going down to the police department and making a written complaint to IA about the situation. Once a written, signed complaint is filed a full investigation is done and the Detectives can easily obtain that information. |
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Quoted: If you are truly concerned I would suggest going down to the police department and making a written complaint to IA about the situation. Once a written, signed complaint is filed a full investigation is done and the Detectives can easily obtain that information. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I appreciate the explanation. In my case a friend implied that an LE aquaintance of ours has been snooping (nothing to hide here). Rather than make a big deal about it, I thought it would be nice to confront this aquaintance with some data. Oh well... If you are truly concerned I would suggest going down to the police department and making a written complaint to IA about the situation. Once a written, signed complaint is filed a full investigation is done and the Detectives can easily obtain that information. Mostly just annoying if true...but hell, if I had that much info at my fingertips I might get curious too |
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In NCIC you just run a QQ search and it'll show who has run the queried data (name DL etc). Don't know what the TCIC system does.
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How can I (Civilian) see who was been running my plates, and other "MDT accessible" info? I believe an entry is made each time this occurs...would a FOI request get me there? Please be quiet. Adults are talking. |
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There was a case not long ago where a dirty cop from Arlington, Texas was running a steroid drug ring and involved in other criminal activity. He was doing background checks on his competition and enemies via his police computer, which was traceable by investigators.
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Please be quiet. Adults are talking. No one cares and it is completely irrelevant to a thread full of useful facts. Take that crap to GD. |
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No...not enough to get anybody in trouble. Also, if it turned out I was misinformed it would be a bad deal all for nothing. Mostly just annoying if true...but hell, if I had that much info at my fingertips I might get curious too View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I appreciate the explanation. In my case a friend implied that an LE aquaintance of ours has been snooping (nothing to hide here). Rather than make a big deal about it, I thought it would be nice to confront this aquaintance with some data. Oh well... If you are truly concerned I would suggest going down to the police department and making a written complaint to IA about the situation. Once a written, signed complaint is filed a full investigation is done and the Detectives can easily obtain that information. Mostly just annoying if true...but hell, if I had that much info at my fingertips I might get curious too That whole 10 years in federal prison thing is great incentive not to. EVERY keystroke is logged to the officer's unique identifier and officers are routinely checked. Tomfoolery is not tolerated. |
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I'm remembering a story about a Florida Highway Patrol officer who arrested a Miami cop and pissed off the LE community. Somehow it came to her (or her lawyer) attention there were suddenly like 80, or 100 queries by fellow LEO's looking up her address and such. How did she find out? View Quote IAD investigation. Then add rumor mill around the office. No facts came out of those claims. |
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That whole 10 years in federal prison thing is great incentive not to. EVERY keystroke is logged to the officer's unique identifier and officers are routinely checked. Tomfoolery is not tolerated. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I appreciate the explanation. In my case a friend implied that an LE aquaintance of ours has been snooping (nothing to hide here). Rather than make a big deal about it, I thought it would be nice to confront this aquaintance with some data. Oh well... If you are truly concerned I would suggest going down to the police department and making a written complaint to IA about the situation. Once a written, signed complaint is filed a full investigation is done and the Detectives can easily obtain that information. Mostly just annoying if true...but hell, if I had that much info at my fingertips I might get curious too That whole 10 years in federal prison thing is great incentive not to. EVERY keystroke is logged to the officer's unique identifier and officers are routinely checked. Tomfoolery is not tolerated. What are general policies? Is it specifically forbidden for using for personal use? |
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By Federal law, TCIC/NCIC must only be used for official uses. It cannot be used for non-official investigative or personal reasons. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What are general policies? Is it specifically forbidden for using for personal use? By Federal law, TCIC/NCIC must only be used for official uses. It cannot be used for non-official investigative or personal reasons. What exactly qualifies as official uses? Who handles investigating allegations of misconduct or does audits of the system? |
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How can I (Civilian) see who was been running my plates, and other "MDT accessible" info? I believe an entry is made each time this occurs...would a FOI request get me there? http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/original/174/1744573/2565863-3853767-4957010%2B_3d402eb6c781d9c88cd3419c33f6e390.png Quoted:
Please be quiet. Adults are talking. It's a misrepresentation. Can't stop it without speaking up about it. |
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No one cares and it is completely irrelevant to a thread full of useful facts. Take that crap to GD. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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How can I (Civilian) see who was been running my plates, and other "MDT accessible" info? I believe an entry is made each time this occurs...would a FOI request get me there? http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/original/174/1744573/2565863-3853767-4957010%2B_3d402eb6c781d9c88cd3419c33f6e390.png Quoted:
Please be quiet. Adults are talking. No one cares and it is completely irrelevant to a thread full of useful facts. Take that crap to GD. I don't think anyone was trying to pick at you. Those guys are simply pointing out that LEO's are not subject to the UCMJ. Which is what you implied in your question. I personally could care less what or if a state or local officer checks your package because if you do a 4473 or get pulled over for running a stop sign they are going to do it anyway. Not to mention the new scanners on cars that check everything from insurance to warrants as you pass. I know you probably don't believe me but they are already on the streets. Bin Ladin didn't believe in black helicopters either. I think intent is everything and how are you going to prove that? Your brake light was out.......remember ? |
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What are general policies? Is it specifically forbidden for using for personal use? By Federal law, TCIC/NCIC must only be used for official uses. It cannot be used for non-official investigative or personal reasons. What exactly qualifies as official uses? Who handles investigating allegations of misconduct or does audits of the system? A guy who used to work for my department was fired for running people through NCIC at the request of friends for whatever reason they had. There are plenty of stories of people being fired and/or prosecuted for selling NCIC information to people who are not authorized to have access to it. Who investigates it is up to where the complaint is made and what investigating authority has jurisdiction... and details as far as what the misuse is ..... IE: If someone complains that a city cop is selling NCIC data to a biker gang and the complaint is made to the FBI, the FBI will investigate. Our investigation where our guy was fired was filed internally by their own supervisor and investigated by our IA department. |
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I don't think anyone was trying to pick at you. Those guys are simply pointing out that LEO's are not subject to the UCMJ. Which is what you implied in your question. I personally could care less what or if a state or local officer checks your package because if you do a 4473 or get pulled over for running a stop sign they are going to do it anyway. Not to mention the new scanners on cars that check everything from insurance to warrants as you pass. I know you probably don't believe me but they are already on the streets. Bin Ladin didn't believe in black helicopters either. I think intent is everything and how are you going to prove that? Your brake light was out.......remember ? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Please be quiet. Adults are talking. No one cares and it is completely irrelevant to a thread full of useful facts. Take that crap to GD. I don't think anyone was trying to pick at you. Those guys are simply pointing out that LEO's are not subject to the UCMJ. Which is what you implied in your question. I personally could care less what or if a state or local officer checks your package because if you do a 4473 or get pulled over for running a stop sign they are going to do it anyway. Not to mention the new scanners on cars that check everything from insurance to warrants as you pass. I know you probably don't believe me but they are already on the streets. Bin Ladin didn't believe in black helicopters either. I think intent is everything and how are you going to prove that? Your brake light was out.......remember ? No the whole "civilian" thing that people get butt hurt about is what he and I are both referring to. Again, it's asinine and stupid, and had nothing to do with OP's question about NCIC. It's the usual BS that is common in GD and is completely worthless and contributes nothing. |
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I guess you could try to file a freedom of information act with which ever agency you think "ran" you.
Not sure why it is a big deal though. Cops run thousands of license plates everyday. |
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If we are able to see who runs our credit report, I see no reason why we shouldn't be able to see who ran our other records.
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How can I (Civilian) see who was been running my plates, and other "MDT accessible" info? I believe an entry is made each time this occurs...would a FOI request get me there? http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/original/174/1744573/2565863-3853767-4957010%2B_3d402eb6c781d9c88cd3419c33f6e390.png Quoted:
Please be quiet. Adults are talking. No one cares and it is completely irrelevant to a thread full of useful facts. Take that crap to GD. Oh...I care. Very much so. |
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How can I (Civilian) see who was been running my plates, and other "MDT accessible" info? I believe an entry is made each time this occurs...would a FOI request get me there? http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/original/174/1744573/2565863-3853767-4957010%2B_3d402eb6c781d9c88cd3419c33f6e390.png Quoted:
Please be quiet. Adults are talking. No one cares and it is completely irrelevant to a thread full of useful facts. Take that crap to GD. Could have sworn this was a public forum where people can ask whatever they think they need to know. What we dont need is a wanna be mod telling others what to say in a thread. Go police on your on job and let the real mods do there job if they feel they need to step in. |
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Quoted: I guess you could try to file a freedom of information act with which ever agency you think "ran" you. Not sure why it is a big deal though. Cops run thousands of license plates everyday. View Quote No biggie when a member of LE uses those resources for whatever they want? Personal curiosity, or whatever...
Like I said earlier...if this happened it's not the end of the world to me but it's not right. |
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Quoted: That whole 10 years in federal prison thing is great incentive not to. EVERY keystroke is logged to the officer's unique identifier and officers are routinely checked. Tomfoolery is not tolerated. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: No...not enough to get anybody in trouble. Also, if it turned out I was misinformed it would be a bad deal all for nothing. Mostly just annoying if true...but hell, if I had that much info at my fingertips I might get curious too That whole 10 years in federal prison thing is great incentive not to. EVERY keystroke is logged to the officer's unique identifier and officers are routinely checked. Tomfoolery is not tolerated. Yeah I'm sure a lot of guys have gotten 10 years in prison for looking up information out of curiosity. |
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Yeah I'm sure a lot of guys have gotten 10 years in prison for looking up information out of curiosity. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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No...not enough to get anybody in trouble. Also, if it turned out I was misinformed it would be a bad deal all for nothing. Mostly just annoying if true...but hell, if I had that much info at my fingertips I might get curious too That whole 10 years in federal prison thing is great incentive not to. EVERY keystroke is logged to the officer's unique identifier and officers are routinely checked. Tomfoolery is not tolerated. Yeah I'm sure a lot of guys have gotten 10 years in prison for looking up information out of curiosity. Actually, 4 that I know of. Some got more. It's not done for curiosity, they sell the info to whomever. |
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And yet again mindless haters derail a useful informational thread with bullshit. Good job gents.
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Quoted: Actually, 4 that I know of. Some got more. View Quote Got a news story about any of them? We've already heard in this thread about some that just got fired. I'm kind of doubting that many (if any at all) actually got 10 years in federal prison just for getting curious and looking up someone's information. |
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Got a news story about any of them? We've already heard in this thread about some that just got fired. I'm kind of doubting that many (if any at all) actually got 10 years in federal prison just for getting curious and looking up someone's information. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Actually, 4 that I know of. Some got more. Got a news story about any of them? We've already heard in this thread about some that just got fired. I'm kind of doubting that many (if any at all) actually got 10 years in federal prison just for getting curious and looking up someone's information. How about googling "police officer sentenced ncic" http://www.justice.gov/usao/txn/PressRelease/2014/FEB2014/feb12Kantzos_sent.html http://animalnewyork.com/2014/ex-nypd-officer-convicted-stalking-ex-using-fbi-resources/ http://bigstory.ap.org/article/nyc-cases-show-crooked-cops-abuse-fbi-database |
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Quoted: With all your legal experience, probably learned from GD, I'm glad you chimed in to prove JIA wrong. View Quote Nobody is proving anybody wrong, he just made an unrealistic statement. So far the only example I've seen in this thread is a guy getting fired. All of the other ones were selling the information and/or giving it to gangs, or involved in drugs. So far I haven't seen any evidence of anyone getting 10 years for looking up information out of curiosity. It wouldn't be much of an incentive if it doesn't happen very often. |
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No one cares and it is completely irrelevant to a thread full of useful facts. Take that crap to GD. Oh...I care. Very much so. Maybe they should have made you read the dictionary in the Marine Corps (I'm assuming, since you don't have a tank next to your name)? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civilian ci·vil·ian noun \s?-'vil-y?n also -'vi-y?n : a person who is not a member of the military or of a police or firefighting force Let the butthurt flow through you .... |
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Nobody is proving anybody wrong, he just made an unrealistic statement. So far the only example I've seen in this thread is a guy getting fired. All of the other ones were selling the information and/or giving it to gangs, or involved in drugs. So far I haven't seen any evidence of anyone getting 10 years for looking up information out of curiosity. It wouldn't be much of an incentive if it doesn't happen very often. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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With all your legal experience, probably learned from GD, I'm glad you chimed in to prove JIA wrong. Nobody is proving anybody wrong, he just made an unrealistic statement. So far the only example I've seen in this thread is a guy getting fired. All of the other ones were selling the information and/or giving it to gangs, or involved in drugs. So far I haven't seen any evidence of anyone getting 10 years for looking up information out of curiosity. It wouldn't be much of an incentive if it doesn't happen very often. I put three links to guys sentenced to serve time based on NCIC misuse. I know, googling is hard. There aren't many people who get the death sentence for murder either. Most criminal cases plead their case down. There are plenty of convictions and repercussions for misuse. Imagine if you were convicted of a minor crime and could never again work in your chosen career field, you lose your retirement, and your job? That's a pretty big penalty. |
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Quoted: How about googling "police officer sentenced ncic" http://www.justice.gov/usao/txn/PressRelease/2014/FEB2014/feb12Kantzos_sent.html http://animalnewyork.com/2014/ex-nypd-officer-convicted-stalking-ex-using-fbi-resources/ http://bigstory.ap.org/article/nyc-cases-show-crooked-cops-abuse-fbi-database View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Actually, 4 that I know of. Some got more. Got a news story about any of them? We've already heard in this thread about some that just got fired. I'm kind of doubting that many (if any at all) actually got 10 years in federal prison just for getting curious and looking up someone's information. How about googling "police officer sentenced ncic" http://www.justice.gov/usao/txn/PressRelease/2014/FEB2014/feb12Kantzos_sent.html http://animalnewyork.com/2014/ex-nypd-officer-convicted-stalking-ex-using-fbi-resources/ http://bigstory.ap.org/article/nyc-cases-show-crooked-cops-abuse-fbi-database The first guy got 12 months, and he was trafficking drugs. The second guy got 4 months and he was breaking into email accounts. The third link is about a few different cases, but the first one mentioned hasn't been sentenced, and it says he could face up to a year. One of the other ones involved a cop that was going to abduct a woman so somebody could rape and murder her. So none of those three links really have anything to do with what was claimed. |
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The first guy got 12 months, and he was trafficking drugs. The second guy got 4 months and he was breaking into email accounts. The third link is about a few different cases, but the first one mentioned hasn't been sentenced, and it says he could face up to a year. One of the other ones involved a cop that was going to abduct a woman so somebody could rape and murder her. So none of those three links really have anything to do with what was claimed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Actually, 4 that I know of. Some got more. Got a news story about any of them? We've already heard in this thread about some that just got fired. I'm kind of doubting that many (if any at all) actually got 10 years in federal prison just for getting curious and looking up someone's information. How about googling "police officer sentenced ncic" http://www.justice.gov/usao/txn/PressRelease/2014/FEB2014/feb12Kantzos_sent.html http://animalnewyork.com/2014/ex-nypd-officer-convicted-stalking-ex-using-fbi-resources/ http://bigstory.ap.org/article/nyc-cases-show-crooked-cops-abuse-fbi-database The first guy got 12 months, and he was trafficking drugs. The second guy got 4 months and he was breaking into email accounts. The third link is about a few different cases, but the first one mentioned hasn't been sentenced, and it says he could face up to a year. One of the other ones involved a cop that was going to abduct a woman so somebody could rape and murder her. So none of those three links really have anything to do with what was claimed. You have absolutely no reading comprehension skills. Case 1: On December 29, 2011, Person A saw a motor vehicle parked near his house and asked Kantzos to “run” the license plate because he was concerned that law enforcement was watching him and he didn’t want to get arrested for trafficking anabolic steroids. Kantzos, without a legitimate law enforcement purpose, used the computer in his patrol car, while he was on duty, to access the Texas Department of Public Safety’s (DPS) protected computer through TLETS, under the guise of conducting a stolen vehicle investigative inquiry. His computer inquiry automatically searched for information about that motor vehicle contained in law enforcement computers located in Texas and in other states, such as the NCIC computer. Case 2: Authorities also said Vargas “dug up personal information on two cops using the FBI’s National Crime Information Center, and accessed the phone records of another victim.” Come on people. Be smarter. |
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Quoted: I put three links to guys sentenced to serve time based on NCIC misuse. I know, googling is hard. View Quote None of those three were about guys getting sentenced to 10 years in federal prison for looking up information out of curiosity. Which is what was being discussed. You just linked to a bunch of shitbags that committed other crimes as well, and none got 10 years. |
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Quoted: You have absolutely no reading comprehension skills. Case 1: On December 29, 2011, Person A saw a motor vehicle parked near his house and asked Kantzos to "run” the license plate because he was concerned that law enforcement was watching him and he didn’t want to get arrested for trafficking anabolic steroids. Kantzos, without a legitimate law enforcement purpose, used the computer in his patrol car, while he was on duty, to access the Texas Department of Public Safety’s (DPS) protected computer through TLETS, under the guise of conducting a stolen vehicle investigative inquiry. His computer inquiry automatically searched for information about that motor vehicle contained in law enforcement computers located in Texas and in other states, such as the NCIC computer. Case 2: Authorities also said Vargas "dug up personal information on two cops using the FBI’s National Crime Information Center, and accessed the phone records of another victim.” Come on people. Be smarter. View Quote Case 1 was trafficking drugs, not just curious. Case 2 got a whopping four months, and was "hacking" emails. Again, not just curious. Go back and try reading the quotes this was in response to (I'm guessing you didn't already), it really isn't that hard. |
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None of those three were about guys getting sentenced to 10 years in federal prison for looking up information out of curiosity. Which is what was being discussed. You just linked to a bunch of shitbags that committed other crimes as well, and none got 10 years. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I put three links to guys sentenced to serve time based on NCIC misuse. I know, googling is hard. None of those three were about guys getting sentenced to 10 years in federal prison for looking up information out of curiosity. Which is what was being discussed. You just linked to a bunch of shitbags that committed other crimes as well, and none got 10 years. That is the *maximum* sentence. I don't think any of the people I've arrested on a homicide charge have ever been sentenced to death. This is not the reality of how our criminal justice system works ... in all cases. |
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Case 1 was trafficking drugs, not just curious. Case 2 got a whopping four months, and was "hacking" emails. Again, not just curious. Go back and try reading the quotes this was in response to (I'm guessing you didn't already), it really isn't that hard. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You have absolutely no reading comprehension skills. Case 1: On December 29, 2011, Person A saw a motor vehicle parked near his house and asked Kantzos to "run” the license plate because he was concerned that law enforcement was watching him and he didn’t want to get arrested for trafficking anabolic steroids. Kantzos, without a legitimate law enforcement purpose, used the computer in his patrol car, while he was on duty, to access the Texas Department of Public Safety’s (DPS) protected computer through TLETS, under the guise of conducting a stolen vehicle investigative inquiry. His computer inquiry automatically searched for information about that motor vehicle contained in law enforcement computers located in Texas and in other states, such as the NCIC computer. Case 2: Authorities also said Vargas "dug up personal information on two cops using the FBI’s National Crime Information Center, and accessed the phone records of another victim.” Come on people. Be smarter. Case 1 was trafficking drugs, not just curious. Case 2 got a whopping four months, and was "hacking" emails. Again, not just curious. Go back and try reading the quotes this was in response to (I'm guessing you didn't already), it really isn't that hard. Are you actually arguing that these guys were not charged with violations of NCIC when it plainly states that they were? I think I'm done here. This is painful. |
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Quoted: Are you actually arguing that these guys were not charged with violations of NCIC when it plainly states that they were? I think I'm done here. This is painful. View Quote No, that's not what I'm saying at all, I'm saying that they were all charged with more than just the NCIC violations. Do I need to write this out in the form of a pop-up book for you? I'll break it down, since you can't follow a conversation: OP said he might get curious and look up someone's information. Then it was stated that 10 years in federal prison was an incentive not to do that. Then you post stories about a bunch of people that did a lot more than just look up someone's information, and did it for reasons beyond curiosity (typically in furtherance of other crimes). If that's not enough, none of those people got 10 years. If nobody every gets the maximum sentence, then the maximum sentence is not an incentive to not commit the crime. The actual sentence is the incentive there. Can you find even a single case of someone getting any time in prison for doing nothing more than looking up someone in NCIC out of pure curiosity? That's what was being discussed. |
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Got a news story about any of them? We've already heard in this thread about some that just got fired. I'm kind of doubting that many (if any at all) actually got 10 years in federal prison just for getting curious and looking up someone's information. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Actually, 4 that I know of. Some got more. Got a news story about any of them? We've already heard in this thread about some that just got fired. I'm kind of doubting that many (if any at all) actually got 10 years in federal prison just for getting curious and looking up someone's information. Why? You won't believe them. |
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And yet again mindless haters derail a useful informational thread with bullshit. Good job gents. View Quote Well then. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1649459_Are_LEO_civilians_.html |
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just checking in to verify the reason for a poll over in GD. Carry on civilians.
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