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Posted: 7/22/2014 4:29:14 PM EDT
This past weekend T.J. and Bruce hosted Level II carbine at Tiger Valley just outside of Waco.
My review:



There were 3 students including me which in my opinion is indicative of the mindset of a lot of "armed citizens" in that there are a few million people within an hour or so of Tiger Valley that could use some good training but I digress.

All of the students were Arfcommers, with Dwayne from Nebraska, Jaoslander a local, and me.

We began class promptly at 0800 with a brief but thorough safety class and then went to the north 1 range to confirm zero. After that we did transition drills with TJ induced failures, practiced the basics of close range shooting and moving from one target to another.

Next we went to the 200 yard line and shot head shots on targets and 100 yards and then 200 yards on steel.


We shot moving targets from 200 yards and that was big fun. It climaxed with each shooter getting 25 minutes of shooting at moving targets that were completely random. It was a good simulation of an enemy force moving around behind a hill or running across your field of fire.

We then moved to another range and ran drills from barricades shooting very small steel targets situated in small windows to simulate longer distance. This was a fun and challenging drill.




We broke for lunch and then resumed training after an hour. T.J. and Bruce assisted as needed or when requested. I can't say enough good things about Bruce and his patient and professional style when helping people with tricks of the trade to reduce times or increase accuracy

Bruce imparting wisdom at the tower:


We then ran a drill I have named the "Helo Drill". Here is a video of me running the Helo Drill.



The Helo fuselage is mounted on coils springs so it is an unstable platform. After doing all that running and getting up and down your heart rate is up and the platform is moving making the drill a challenge. it was my favorite drill of the class.

The students shooting from the 200 yard line:


Next we ran some qualification drills on the 140 yard range. These drills included Modified Navy, MARSOC and Magpul qual courses.

JaOslander on a qual course:








Video of Dwayne on a qualification course:


Day two brought more of the same with an emphasis on speed and accuracy. T.J. fed us a lunch of pulled pork, slaw, beans and potato chips.

Working the butts:




Trying to get that 25 second par time. Missed by that much


We went up the tower and engaged targets from 50 to 500 meters.


View of targets and simulated vehicles from the tower.









Here we practiced shooting from odd positions and through loop holes.



During this class I learned a lot. I had previous lessons reinforced and left the class having met some great guys.
I highly recommend taking Tiger Valley's carbine series of classes.





ETA: Embed fail and you can find more info on Tiger Valley at http://www.tigervalley.com/
Jim
Link Posted: 7/22/2014 8:35:25 PM EDT
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Nice AAR Jim.
Link Posted: 7/22/2014 9:09:05 PM EDT
[#2]
Very cool!

The tower is a site to behold when you are cruising down 84
Link Posted: 7/23/2014 2:33:24 AM EDT
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Thanks buddy. I wondered if you were still alive
Link Posted: 7/23/2014 3:46:09 AM EDT
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Nice update Jim.  Looks like a good time. I'll get out that way again soon.
Link Posted: 7/24/2014 5:21:59 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/24/2014 6:36:27 PM EDT
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Good stuff!

I`ve taken an AK and a shotgun class out at Waco.
And a shit ton of Tuesday evening classes out at Elm Fork.

If you live in this area of Texas and you`re not taking any TV classes, you`re missing out on a lot.

Link Posted: 7/24/2014 8:18:23 PM EDT
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Almost makes me want to shave my head, and move to Texas.
Link Posted: 7/28/2014 5:28:00 AM EDT
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Thanks for the post.........
Link Posted: 8/1/2014 7:47:48 PM EDT
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Had a great time (I was the dude in the blue jeans).  This is the third class I've taken at Tiger Valley.  Great instruction.  Very reasonable prices.  Shoot a ton (about 1200 rounds in 2 days of this carbine course).  Thanks for posting Jim!
Link Posted: 8/2/2014 1:40:15 PM EDT
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Looks like fun!



Were you dumping a live round in that first video between cones/stages?






Link Posted: 8/2/2014 5:57:22 PM EDT
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Why did the "helo drill" require you to clear your rifle before moving to the next stage?
Link Posted: 8/3/2014 5:36:16 AM EDT
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For safety reasons, not breaking the 180 when moving.  Some of these drills were done late on a hot day, when fatigue and stress can cause mental lapses.  We try and keep things as realistic as possible within limits.
Link Posted: 8/3/2014 7:53:17 AM EDT
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Hmm ok.. BUT!



Its really unnecessary and I have a better idea.



Why not just require a mag change?  Only load up with the rounds needed, The bolt will hold open on it's own, showing a clear rifle, and it'll be quicker AND safer.



So I think there were 3 stages? You'd need 3 mags with 2-3 rounds in each mag.  Way more fun, and + realistic.
































The act of physically racking an AR15 to dump a chambered round is really awkward, speaking of stress and fatigue.  Plus you wont have live rounds laying in the dirt to pick up.



















Just my .02c     I really enjoyed watching the shooters.







 
Link Posted: 8/3/2014 2:31:26 PM EDT
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At that level of drill/training I would think with a instructor behind shooter, safety on, and muzzle control would be the way to go. I would hate to find myself in a stressful situation clearing my weapon for no reason! Maybe put each shooting station 5 yards in front of the last one so the shooter runs forward instead of laterally? Still looked fun. Thanks for sharing.
Link Posted: 8/4/2014 10:05:55 AM EDT
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This is one drill among many.  The reason you clear the weapon is that the shooter is running towards the west property line where a house exists with children playing in the back yard, which you can't see from this camera angle.  Running with a loaded magazine with the bolt back is not much safer since if you bump the weapon the bolt can go home.  Limiting the number of shot per magazine would leave some targets not engaged since the targets are small and at 200 yards.  We base everything we do on safety for the shooters as well as safe range management.



Link Posted: 8/4/2014 11:27:47 AM EDT
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I've been looking for this type of AAR from Tiger Valley...thanks.



I want to go take a few of these courses..I think I know what my next birthday present will be.




Appreciate the report, pics, and video.






Link Posted: 8/5/2014 4:00:24 AM EDT
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Had a great time (I was the dude in the blue jeans).  This is the third class I've taken at Tiger Valley.  Great instruction.  Very reasonable prices.  Shoot a ton (about 1200 rounds in 2 days of this carbine course).  Thanks for posting Jim!
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It was fun. Hope to see you out there again.
Link Posted: 8/5/2014 4:03:54 AM EDT
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Hmm ok.. BUT!

Its really unnecessary and I have a better idea.

Why not just require a mag change?  Only load up with the rounds needed, The bolt will hold open on it's own, showing a clear rifle, and it'll be quicker AND safer.

So I think there were 3 stages? You'd need 3 mags with 2-3 rounds in each mag.  Way more fun, and + realistic.


The act of physically racking an AR15 to dump a chambered round is really awkward, speaking of stress and fatigue.  Plus you wont have live rounds laying in the dirt to pick up.

Just my .02c     I really enjoyed watching the shooters.
 
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For safety reasons, not breaking the 180 when moving.  Some of these drills were done late on a hot day, when fatigue and stress can cause mental lapses.  We try and keep things as realistic as possible within limits.

 

Hmm ok.. BUT!

Its really unnecessary and I have a better idea.

Why not just require a mag change?  Only load up with the rounds needed, The bolt will hold open on it's own, showing a clear rifle, and it'll be quicker AND safer.

So I think there were 3 stages? You'd need 3 mags with 2-3 rounds in each mag.  Way more fun, and + realistic.


The act of physically racking an AR15 to dump a chambered round is really awkward, speaking of stress and fatigue.  Plus you wont have live rounds laying in the dirt to pick up.

Just my .02c     I really enjoyed watching the shooters.
 



I have a few thoughts on this. A person doesn't  know how many rounds they need in a gun fight. It wasn't a "match". I don't care about 3 live rounds out of 1200. Racking an AR is easy with a BCM gunfighter charging handle.  lastly, it was called for in the drill, everyone did it the same way. It could be seen as clearing a bad round.  

Jim
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