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Posted: 8/7/2012 7:09:05 PM
[Last Edit: 8/7/2012 7:21:42 PM by fender_fella]
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT 
http://www.statesman.com/ On second thought I probably should have put this in GD instead on Texas, but we're both from Austin. |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 7:38:24 PM
I fail to see a problem. *shrugs*
He worked hard to get where he is and he is proud of his heritage. Making it to the olympics takes some real effort and dedication... I feel that he has earned the right to do as he pleases. But that's just my humble opinion;) |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 7:38:59 PM
Originally Posted By fender_fella:
I just don't think this is ok. Lee Manzano wins Silver and waves both US and Mexican flags. Brother, you're representing MY country in those games, not yours.....
http://www.statesman.com/ On second thought I probably should have put this in GD instead on Texas, but we're both from Austin. No bueno... |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 7:42:30 PM
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Originally Posted By chips:
I fail to see a problem. *shrugs* He worked hard to get where he is and he is proud of his heritage. Making it to the olympics takes some real effort and dedication... I feel that he has earned the right to do as he pleases. But that's just my humble opinion;) Among other things, it's about being a part of a team. As a member of the US team, he shouldn't be waving the Mexican flag. Even if you do not agree that it's disgraceful, disrespectful, or unpatriotic, it is disloyal to the U.S. team. If he'd won gold, would he want them to play the Mexican national anthem too? I say GTFO. When you're part of a team, it does not give you the right to do whatever you want...it's not just about you. |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 8:05:59 PM
Originally Posted By chips:
I fail to see a problem. *shrugs* He worked hard to get where he is and he is proud of his heritage. Making it to the olympics takes some real effort and dedication... I feel that he has earned the right to do as he pleases. But that's just my humble opinion;) Then he should represent Mexico team, instead of US team... |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 8:08:46 PM
His Twitter post following the race:
https://twitter.com/Leomanzano @Leomanzano: Silver medal, still felt like I won! Representing two countries USA and Mexico! Medalla de Plata, aun siento que.. Representing two countries...  |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 8:44:21 PM
Originally Posted By boarklr:
Interesting perspective. Have you happened to see any opinions on the matter from other athletes the US has fielded?
Originally Posted By chips:
I fail to see a problem. *shrugs* He worked hard to get where he is and he is proud of his heritage. Making it to the olympics takes some real effort and dedication... I feel that he has earned the right to do as he pleases. But that's just my humble opinion;) Among other things, it's about being a part of a team. As a member of the US team, he shouldn't be waving the Mexican flag. Even if you do not agree that it's disgraceful, disrespectful, or unpatriotic, it is disloyal to the U.S. team. If he'd won gold, would he want them to play the Mexican national anthem too? I say GTFO. When you're part of a team, it does not give you the right to do whatever you want...it's not just about you. We all have unique experiences that influence our views; my perspective is that of an athlete (swimmer, triathlete)... I certainly never made the olympics, but I did compete with a team. My best individual has been silver in nationals, but with teammates, I did do gold in relay. We never worried about stuff like the aforementioned issue, and I honestly don't think it would bother me. I'm always open to opposing ideas, though:) |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 9:02:45 PM
He's probably looking at his career down the road. The U.S. has so many Olympic athletes, he's going to be mostly overlooked and ignored here.
However, by pandering to Mexico (which doesn't have very many Olympic heroes), he might be able to gain enough recognition there to carve out a name for himself - maybe pick up a few product endorsements, do a few Mexican beer commercials, etc. |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 9:24:30 PM
Originally Posted By chips:
I fail to see a problem. *shrugs* He worked hard to get where he is and he is proud of his heritage. Making it to the olympics takes some real effort and dedication... I feel that he has earned the right to do as he pleases. But that's just my humble opinion;) I have a problem with you not having a problem with this. He is on the American Olympic Team. Mexico has it's own team. |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 9:28:18 PM
Originally Posted By chips:
We all have unique experiences that influence our views; my perspective is that of an athlete (swimmer, triathlete)... I certainly never made the olympics, but I did compete with a team. My best individual has been silver in nationals, but with teammates, I did do gold in relay. We never worried about stuff like the aforementioned issue, and I honestly don't think it would bother me. I'm always open to opposing ideas, though:) You certainly should be proud of your achievements in National competition but I think the Olympics are different. National pride is a big part of it. I have to wonder if feelings would be more intense if the flag were Chinese or Russian or Cuban. |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 9:35:32 PM
Originally Posted By fender_fella: Originally Posted By chips: We all have unique experiences that influence our views; my perspective is that of an athlete (swimmer, triathlete)... I certainly never made the olympics, but I did compete with a team. My best individual has been silver in nationals, but with teammates, I did do gold in relay. We never worried about stuff like the aforementioned issue, and I honestly don't think it would bother me. I'm always open to opposing ideas, though:) You certainly should be proud of your achievements in National competition but I think the Olympics are different. National pride is a big part of it. I have to wonder if feelings would be more intense if the flag were Chinese or Russian or Cuban. I agree, and I think that would cause an epic shitstorm as well  |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 9:40:08 PM
Originally Posted By chips: I fail to see a problem. *shrugs* He worked hard to get where he is and he is proud of his heritage. Making it to the olympics takes some real effort and dedication... I feel that he has earned the right to do as he pleases. But that's just my humble opinion;) Did Tommie Smith and John Carlos earn the right to disrepect the US too? FWIW, he does not get to do as he pleases. He has earned the right to follow USOC rules, if he does not like the rules, he can go represent another country. |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 9:59:37 PM
Originally Posted By RenegadeX:
Originally Posted By chips:
I fail to see a problem. *shrugs* He worked hard to get where he is and he is proud of his heritage. Making it to the olympics takes some real effort and dedication... I feel that he has earned the right to do as he pleases. But that's just my humble opinion;) Did Tommie Smith and John Carlos earn the right to disrepect the US too? FWIW, he does not get to do as he pleases. He has earned the right to follow USOC rules, if he does not like the rules, he can go represent another country. But then he couldn't be the self-serving attention whore he is by doing what he did. 
"Team" means more to some people than others and this guy is a great example of that. |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 10:20:56 PM
Since I am part German / Czech, and 5th gen American, I am still proud of my heritage, if I competed and was awarded a medal, would it be cool if I held up all of my little flags too?
He is representing America, not Mexico, not Cuba, not Jamaica, America. Tony Parker plays basketball for the SA Spurs, but for France in the olympics, I bet if they win, he only holds the white flag, I mean France's colors. |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 10:30:24 PM
No surprise
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Posted: 8/7/2012 10:37:34 PM
There have been many American born athletes represent countries of their heritage but I've NEVER heard about/see them wave them American flag whe playing for that country. Expect this Mexican trend to progressively get worse for us Texans.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 11:04:28 PM
I am an American with a Mexican heritage and while I am proud of where I come from I am more proud to be an American. If I ever made it to the olympics and won a medal I would certainly only wave the American flag.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 11:04:36 PM
Is this guy actually a Mexican or is he just another American with some family ties back to Mexico. How can he be a Mexican if he wasn't born there?
There are ways that anyone can become an American, but not everyone can ever become a Mexican. |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 11:24:11 PM
Originally Posted By turbowarp:
Is this guy actually a Mexican or is he just another American with some family ties back to Mexico. How can he be a Mexican if he wasn't born there? There are ways that anyone can become an American, but not everyone can ever become a Mexican. Wiki says he was born in Mexico but his family moved to central Texas when he was 4 years old. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 4:17:26 AM
Anybody ever read the pledge legal immigrants take upon naturalization to this country?
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Posted: 8/8/2012 8:26:13 AM
Fly him back to mexico.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 9:03:04 AM
Originally Posted By Crowfoot: You mean this one:Anybody ever read the pledge legal immigrants take upon naturalization to this country? Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of AmericaOath:
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce
and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate,
state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject
or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of
the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will
bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I
will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United
States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national
importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I
take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose
of evasion; so help me God." |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 9:13:21 AM
[Last Edit: 8/8/2012 9:13:54 AM by MTUSA]
Originally Posted By turbowarp:
Originally Posted By Crowfoot:
You mean this one:
Anybody ever read the pledge legal immigrants take upon naturalization to this country? Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of AmericaOath:"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."
Actions speak louder than words. Always has, always will... 
Fuck that ungrateful bitch. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 9:33:45 AM
That rat bastard is on the today show with both flags on his shoulders.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 9:47:26 AM
Originally Posted By mojo:
Originally Posted By chips:
I fail to see a problem. *shrugs* He worked hard to get where he is and he is proud of his heritage. Making it to the olympics takes some real effort and dedication... I feel that he has earned the right to do as he pleases. But that's just my humble opinion;) Then he should represent Mexico team, instead of US team... +1,000,000 fuck that guy |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 9:50:31 AM
Originally Posted By boarklr:
Originally Posted By chips:
I fail to see a problem. *shrugs* He worked hard to get where he is and he is proud of his heritage. Making it to the olympics takes some real effort and dedication... I feel that he has earned the right to do as he pleases. But that's just my humble opinion;) Among other things, it's about being a part of a team. As a member of the US team, he shouldn't be waving the Mexican flag. Even if you do not agree that it's disgraceful, disrespectful, or unpatriotic, it is disloyal to the U.S. team. If he'd won gold, would he want them to play the Mexican national anthem too? I say GTFO. When you're part of a team, it does not give you the right to do whatever you want...it's not just about you. Right on. It would be like the cowgirls winning the superbowl and putting on giants hats! You just don't do it... PERIOD! If thats the case go compete for Mexico amigo. |
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