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Posted: 7/20/2012 1:07:21 PM
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xxspudxx
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Posted: 7/20/2012 1:10:47 PM
Good luck getting them to remove it.
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Posted: 7/20/2012 1:24:44 PM
Originally Posted By UARK1836:
So the people from Oncor came by and installed one of those smart meter things on my dad's house (when he was not home) and he called me the other day to tell me that he's felt very sick since the installation. I did a little research and they emit something like 15-20 times the radiation of a cell phone so needless to say that thing has got to go. From doing a quick search on the internet, I can tell that this won't be as simple as calling Oncor and asking politely for the to remove it, so does anyone have any experience getting Oncor to remove these things in a timely manner, without me having to hire an electrician and replace the smart meter with an analogue one? Probably not going to happen. Maybe you can shield it somehow to prevent the radiation leak? |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 1:26:50 PM
My first thought was shield it, but then it could not send out the signal.
I guess you could shield the back side so it only transmits outwards. |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 1:29:31 PM
Originally Posted By UARK1836:
So the people from Oncor came by and installed one of those smart meter things on my dad's house (when he was not home) and he called me the other day to tell me that he's felt very sick since the installation. I did a little research and they emit something like 15-20 times the radiation of a cell phone so needless to say that thing has got to go. From doing a quick search on the internet, I can tell that this won't be as simple as calling Oncor and asking politely for the to remove it, so does anyone have any experience getting Oncor to remove these things in a timely manner, without me having to hire an electrician and replace the smart meter with an analogue one? WTF? More radiation than cell phones? If this were the case don't you think we'd hear of mass epidemics of sick people by now? Last I checked, most Zigbee radios max out at around 1mW of power. |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 1:33:49 PM
While the "radiation" output MAY be greater than a cell phone, Which i doubt, It's a burst transmission, not continuous. so the odds of him feeling something fromthis new meter, are crazy high.
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Posted: 7/20/2012 1:39:40 PM
Originally Posted By xxspudxx:
Good luck getting them to remove it. Tag for results and info. |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 1:43:21 PM
It takes quite a lot of RF energy to affect a person. If it didn't: every ham radio operator would glow in the dark and die of cancer.
Smartmeters don't use very much transmition power and only for short times. The RF power from a smartmeter will not affect a human being. Wanna buy some tinfoil?  |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 2:20:20 PM
Originally Posted By xxspudxx:
My first thought was shield it, but then it could not send out the signal. I guess you could shield the back side so it only transmits outwards. That's what I was thinking. He could shield the wall behind it so that the radiation would not get into the house. Even if it didn't really do anything, at least his father would probably feel better about it. |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 3:38:02 PM
Originally Posted By pcsutton:
It takes quite a lot of RF energy to affect a person. If it didn't: every ham radio operator would glow in the dark and die of cancer. Smartmeters don't use very much transmition power and only for short times. The RF power from a smartmeter will not affect a human being. Wanna buy some tinfoil? No kidding. Ham operators in the U.S. can legally transmit up to 1500 watts of power...that's just regular everyday schmucks. TV, radio stations etc can transmit tens of thousands of watts of power, yet this little old smart meter is causing health issues? Get real OP. |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 3:38:34 PM
He's been experiencing tenitis ever since the thing was installed. Any ideas as to what materials I should use to shield the radiation on the back of the meter? Like would aluminum do it or would I need something like steel? *paging metallurgists*
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Posted: 7/20/2012 3:56:52 PM
Originally Posted By UARK1836:
He's been experiencing tenitis ever since the thing was installed. Any ideas as to what materials I should use to shield the radiation on the back of the meter? Like would aluminum do it or would I need something like steel? *paging metallurgists* Does he wear hearing aids? I've had my electronic earmuffs pick up cell phone signals before. It is sort of a faint dit-diddddydit-dit-dit-dit sound. It was never enough to induce discomfort and was only when an actual call or text message was coming into the cell phone, not continuous. Is he hearing things all the time? If he goes away from the meter do his symptoms go away? Obviously if you are shielding RF radiation something that is conductive like Aluminum is going to work, but it needs to be grounded to be effective in sinking the signal. That's one place where a lot of the "tinfoil hat" folks go wrong... |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 3:59:06 PM
Originally Posted By UARK1836:
He's been experiencing tenitis ever since the thing was installed. Any ideas as to what materials I should use to shield the radiation on the back of the meter? Like would aluminum do it or would I need something like steel? *paging metallurgists* What else did he do on the day it was installed? Loud tools without hearing protection? Has he seen a doctor? People have routinely been exposed to vastly higher RF fields for decades with no issues. Transmitting 5W+ of RF power from a handheld radio 6" from your head is quite common. |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 4:17:21 PM
Originally Posted By pcsutton:
It takes quite a lot of RF energy to affect a person. If it didn't: every ham radio operator would glow in the dark and die of cancer. Smartmeters don't use very much transmition power and only for short times. The RF power from a smartmeter will not affect a human being. Wanna buy some tinfoil? Im not a tin foil type of guy, and I usually dont buy into this type of stuff. But there are many odd reports surrounding these meters. If this guy is a 1 in a Million, the least we can do is give some helpful ideas. As a HAM operator, I get where you are coming from. |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 6:35:54 PM
Originally Posted By SoftwareJanitor:
Originally Posted By UARK1836:
He's been experiencing tenitis ever since the thing was installed. Any ideas as to what materials I should use to shield the radiation on the back of the meter? Like would aluminum do it or would I need something like steel? *paging metallurgists* Does he wear hearing aids? I've had my electronic earmuffs pick up cell phone signals before. It is sort of a faint dit-diddddydit-dit-dit-dit sound. It was never enough to induce discomfort and was only when an actual call or text message was coming into the cell phone, not continuous. Is he hearing things all the time? If he goes away from the meter do his symptoms go away? Obviously if you are shielding RF radiation something that is conductive like Aluminum is going to work, but it needs to be grounded to be effective in sinking the signal. That's one place where a lot of the "tinfoil hat" folks go wrong... No he doesn't wear hearing aids and its mainly a faint humming in his ear. Now I'm not familiar with how to "ground" aluminum so how would I go about doing that? I'm planning on calling oncor monday and I'll update the thread as this thing progresses but if the power company people tell me to pound sand, I'll probably try and construct a box looking contraption out of aluminum to where the power company can still read the meter but the radiation would be contained out the front. |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 6:46:09 PM
This is very interesting... When they installed them at my house, my next-door neighbor was telling me that he had been feeling weird since we got them installed. His meter is on the wall of his bedroom.
I brushed it off as crazy talk, but now I am concerned. |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 6:58:20 PM
I was talking on my cell phone near mine one day, it was busting with enough RF to screw up my phone call.
I've been wanting to mount a ham antenna near, bombard it with 100 watts just to see what happens. I've been hearing some high frequency noise too periodically, can't figure it out. I've got pretty sensitive ears so I don't shoot any without electronic muffs, even while hunting. |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 7:23:38 PM
Originally Posted By UARK1836:
Originally Posted By SoftwareJanitor:
Originally Posted By UARK1836:
He's been experiencing tenitis ever since the thing was installed. Any ideas as to what materials I should use to shield the radiation on the back of the meter? Like would aluminum do it or would I need something like steel? *paging metallurgists* Does he wear hearing aids? I've had my electronic earmuffs pick up cell phone signals before. It is sort of a faint dit-diddddydit-dit-dit-dit sound. It was never enough to induce discomfort and was only when an actual call or text message was coming into the cell phone, not continuous. Is he hearing things all the time? If he goes away from the meter do his symptoms go away? Obviously if you are shielding RF radiation something that is conductive like Aluminum is going to work, but it needs to be grounded to be effective in sinking the signal. That's one place where a lot of the "tinfoil hat" folks go wrong... No he doesn't wear hearing aids and its mainly a faint humming in his ear. Now I'm not familiar with how to "ground" aluminum so how would I go about doing that? I'm planning on calling oncor monday and I'll update the thread as this thing progresses but if the power company people tell me to pound sand, I'll probably try and construct a box looking contraption out of aluminum to where the power company can still read the meter but the radiation would be contained out the front. You can ground a piece of aluminum sheet metal shielding just by drilling a hole in a corner, running a sheet metal screw into it. To that sheet metal screw you just hook up your ground wire (before you tighten it down) use something fairly heavy guage and solid copper core and then shove the other end of the wire as far down into the dirt as you can. If your ground is real hard you may have to hook it to a conductive stake driven into the ground. Check around your meter, there is often one of those near the power meter and/or phone demarcation point that you might be able to piggyback off. |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 7:50:05 PM
Originally Posted By SoftwareJanitor:
Originally Posted By UARK1836:
Originally Posted By SoftwareJanitor:
Originally Posted By UARK1836:
He's been experiencing tenitis ever since the thing was installed. Any ideas as to what materials I should use to shield the radiation on the back of the meter? Like would aluminum do it or would I need something like steel? *paging metallurgists* Does he wear hearing aids? I've had my electronic earmuffs pick up cell phone signals before. It is sort of a faint dit-diddddydit-dit-dit-dit sound. It was never enough to induce discomfort and was only when an actual call or text message was coming into the cell phone, not continuous. Is he hearing things all the time? If he goes away from the meter do his symptoms go away? Obviously if you are shielding RF radiation something that is conductive like Aluminum is going to work, but it needs to be grounded to be effective in sinking the signal. That's one place where a lot of the "tinfoil hat" folks go wrong... No he doesn't wear hearing aids and its mainly a faint humming in his ear. Now I'm not familiar with how to "ground" aluminum so how would I go about doing that? I'm planning on calling oncor monday and I'll update the thread as this thing progresses but if the power company people tell me to pound sand, I'll probably try and construct a box looking contraption out of aluminum to where the power company can still read the meter but the radiation would be contained out the front. You can ground a piece of aluminum sheet metal shielding just by drilling a hole in a corner, running a sheet metal screw into it. To that sheet metal screw you just hook up your ground wire (before you tighten it down) use something fairly heavy guage and solid copper core and then shove the other end of the wire as far down into the dirt as you can. If your ground is real hard you may have to hook it to a conductive stake driven into the ground. Check around your meter, there is often one of those near the power meter and/or phone demarcation point that you might be able to piggyback off. Keep in mind that these evil RF spewing smart meters are installed - *gasp* - in a grounded metal enclosure with only the front half of the meter sticking out the front... |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 8:15:19 PM
It's just in his head.
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Posted: 7/20/2012 9:33:47 PM
Originally Posted By wp6529:
Originally Posted By SoftwareJanitor:
Originally Posted By UARK1836:
Originally Posted By SoftwareJanitor:
Originally Posted By UARK1836:
He's been experiencing tenitis ever since the thing was installed. Any ideas as to what materials I should use to shield the radiation on the back of the meter? Like would aluminum do it or would I need something like steel? *paging metallurgists* Does he wear hearing aids? I've had my electronic earmuffs pick up cell phone signals before. It is sort of a faint dit-diddddydit-dit-dit-dit sound. It was never enough to induce discomfort and was only when an actual call or text message was coming into the cell phone, not continuous. Is he hearing things all the time? If he goes away from the meter do his symptoms go away? Obviously if you are shielding RF radiation something that is conductive like Aluminum is going to work, but it needs to be grounded to be effective in sinking the signal. That's one place where a lot of the "tinfoil hat" folks go wrong... No he doesn't wear hearing aids and its mainly a faint humming in his ear. Now I'm not familiar with how to "ground" aluminum so how would I go about doing that? I'm planning on calling oncor monday and I'll update the thread as this thing progresses but if the power company people tell me to pound sand, I'll probably try and construct a box looking contraption out of aluminum to where the power company can still read the meter but the radiation would be contained out the front. You can ground a piece of aluminum sheet metal shielding just by drilling a hole in a corner, running a sheet metal screw into it. To that sheet metal screw you just hook up your ground wire (before you tighten it down) use something fairly heavy guage and solid copper core and then shove the other end of the wire as far down into the dirt as you can. If your ground is real hard you may have to hook it to a conductive stake driven into the ground. Check around your meter, there is often one of those near the power meter and/or phone demarcation point that you might be able to piggyback off. Keep in mind that these evil RF spewing smart meters are installed - *gasp* - in a grounded metal enclosure with only the front half of the meter sticking out the front... If that is the case then there really isn't much more you can do. You can always add a second level shield behind that, but it would seem like it is going to be a victim of diminishing returns. I've never actually seen one of these 'evil' meters in person so I can't say. |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 9:35:12 PM
[Last Edit: 7/20/2012 11:07:26 PM by Mavrick]
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Posted: 7/20/2012 9:48:34 PM
I'm gonna take a wild ass guess and say that you or your dad are went to the meeting the NE Tarrant County Tea Party had on Smart Meters. They brought in some 'expert' espousing the dangers of these evil meters a while back.
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Posted: 7/20/2012 10:17:40 PM
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I'm gonna take a wild ass guess and say that you or your dad are went to the meeting the NE Tarrant County Tea Party had on Smart Meters. They brought in some 'expert' espousing the dangers of these evil meters a while back. they can be evil, when my neighbors was installed, something went wrong and the transformer blew, we were without electricity for about 8 hours.  |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 10:35:15 PM
Respectfully...grow up, tell him to get back on is regular meds, quit with the snake oil meds bought off of late night TV, and make sure he is keeping his scheduled doctors appointments..
Unless you dad sleeps with his head TOUCHING the meter, he is getting a tiny fraction of what a cell phone radiates. About 10 minutes on the Internet, looking a science and industry based sites, will tell you that three meters away from the meter reduces the risk to nothing. There are poeple wearing hearing aids that radiate more RF than you get 10 feet way from these meters. |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 11:34:41 PM
Originally Posted By NAK:
Respectfully...grow up, tell him to get back on is regular meds, quit with the snake oil meds bought off of late night TV, and make sure he is keeping his scheduled doctors appointments.. Unless you dad sleeps with his head TOUCHING the meter, he is getting a tiny fraction of what a cell phone radiates. About 10 minutes on the Internet, looking a science and industry based sites, will tell you that three meters away from the meter reduces the risk to nothing. There are poeple wearing hearing aids that radiate more RF than you get 10 feet way from these meters. I think we need get the ARFCOM warlords to program a "Like" button - cause I'd have clicked it for your post. |
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