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spectre556

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Posted: 2/29/2008 10:47:48 PM EDT

[Last Edit: spectre556]

We've had alot of threads lately from folks in differant cities and counties looking for information and advice regarding signoffs on NFA and I had a thought.. What do you guys think about a tacked thread with any first hand knowledge in a given location. No hearsay or rumors you heard form a dealer or at the funshow, I mean either a pic of a stamp or copies of letters and emails telling you to get bent. It would also be a good place to put any contact info. for the LEO agency. Seems like it would help give folks interested in getting into NFA a good place to start. I have some links and info on the ks regs as well as the actual NFA act of 1934, to help explain the process and laws to your local chief LEO. Hell, I'd be willing to start just emailing differant counties throughout the state to get an initial response and then contact some major cities.

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Screw all that, as of July 1st 2014 We are a shall sign/certify state boys and girls!!

No more local CLEO using his or her position to deprive you of your right to own an NFA item.

April 22, 2014, Governor Sam Brownback signed HB 2578 the CLEO Shall
Sign and Comprehensive Preemption legislation. These new laws go in to
effect on July 1, 2014.

HB2578 is a great step forward for our 2A rights here in KS

http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2013_14/measures/documents/summary_hb_2578_2014.pdf

And as it pertains to this thread in particular:

Requires that certification by a chief law enforcement officer (CLEO),
when a sign off is required for the transfer of a firearm or other item
regulated by the National Firearms Act ("NFA"), be provided within
fifteen days as long as the applicant is not prohibited by law from
receiving the firearm or other item. NFA type items are suppressors and
fully automatic firearms also commonly called Class III firearms.

I wish my lawn was EMO so it could just cut itself.

LitlRat Member Joined Jan 2007 Posts 320 EE 100% (79) NE, USA	Posted: 3/2/2008 6:18:46 PM EDT [Last Edit: Coopmandu] [#1] .

Coopmandu

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Posted: 3/2/2008 11:21:21 PM EDT

[#2]

Originally Posted By spectre556:
We've had alot of threads lately from folks in differant cities and counties looking for information and advice regarding signoffs on NFA and I had a thought.. What do you guys think about a tacked thread with any first hand knowledge in a given location. No hearsay or rumors you heard form a dealer or at the funshow, I mean either a pic of a stamp or copies of letters and emails telling you to get bent. It would also be a good place to put any contact info. for the LEO agency. Seems like it would help give folks interested in getting into NFA a good place to start. I have some links and info on the ks regs as well as the actual NFA act of 1934, to help explain the process and laws to your local chief LEO. Hell, I'd be willing to start just emailing differant counties throughout the state to get an initial response and then contact some major cities.

Good idea Spectre!!! In fact its such a good idea I'm gonna let you create the tacked thread.

Let us all know when your done....

Kansas Defensive Shooters Club http://kdsc.us/

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spectre556

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Posted: 3/3/2008 7:37:44 PM EDT

[#3]

Originally Posted By Coopmandu:

Good idea Spectre!!! In fact its such a good idea I'm gonna let you create the tacked thread.

Let us all know when your done....

Well then tack this one and I will start adding to it!

I wish my lawn was EMO so it could just cut itself.

Specop_007 Joined Aug 2004 Posts 13947 EE 100% (1) KS, USA	Posted: 3/4/2008 10:01:53 PM EDT [Last Edit: Coopmandu] [#4] .

Coopmandu Garandaholic Joined Mar 2002 Posts 1228 EE 100% (99) KS, USA	Posted: 3/5/2008 2:40:58 AM EDT [#5] Thread is tacked.....Lets keep things on track.
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spectre556

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Posted: 3/5/2008 2:16:14 PM EDT

[Last Edit: spectre556] [#6]

Ok folks, I will start with the state laws pertaining to NFA items.

The following is the Kansas legislation concerning these types of weapons and there legality
KS Legislation doesn't say what you can do but only what you can't do. NFA items are line 6 & 7

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<h1>21-4201</h1>

Chapter 21.––CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS

PART II.––PROHIBITED CONDUCT

Article 42.––CRIMES AGAINST THE PUBLIC SAFETY

<span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">21-4201. Criminal use of weapons. (a) Criminal use of weapons is knowingly:

(1) Selling, manufacturing, purchasing, possessing or carrying any bludgeon, sandclub, metal knuckles or throwing star, or any knife, commonly referred to as a switch-blade, which has a blade that opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in the handle of the knife, or any knife having a blade that opens or falls or is ejected into position by the force of gravity or by an outward, downward or centrifugal thrust or movement;

(2) carrying concealed on one's person, or possessing with intent to use the same unlawfully against another, a dagger, dirk, billy, blackjack, slungshot, dangerous knife, straight-edged razor, stiletto or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument of like character, except that an ordinary pocket knife with no blade more than four inches in length shall not be construed to be a dangerous knife, or a dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument;

(3) carrying on one's person or in any land, water or air vehicle, with intent to use the same unlawfully, a tear gas or smoke bomb or projector or any object containing a noxious liquid, gas or substance;

(4) carrying any pistol, revolver or other firearm concealed on one's person except when on the person's land or in the person's abode or fixed place of business;

(5) setting a spring gun;

(6) possessing any device or attachment of any kind designed, used or intended for use in suppressing the report of any firearm;

(7) selling, manufacturing, purchasing, possessing or carrying a shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches in length or any other firearm designed to discharge or capable of discharging automatically more than once by a single function of the trigger; or

(8) possessing, manufacturing, causing to be manufactured, selling, offering for sale, lending, purchasing or giving away any cartridge which can be fired by a handgun and which has a plastic-coated bullet that has a core of less than 60% lead by weight.

(b) Subsections (a)(1), (2), (3), (4) and (7) shall not apply to or affect any of the following:

(1) Law enforcement officers, or any person summoned by any such officers to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace while actually engaged in assisting such officer;

(2) wardens, superintendents, directors, security personnel and keepers of prisons, penitentiaries, jails and other institutions for the detention of persons accused or convicted of crime, while acting within the scope of their authority;

(3) members of the armed services or reserve forces of the United States or the Kansas national guard while in the performance of their official duty; or

(4) manufacture of, transportation to, or sale of weapons to a person authorized under subsections (b)(1), (2) and (3) to possess such weapons.

(c) Subsection (a)(4) shall not apply to or affect the following:

(1) Watchmen, while actually engaged in the performance of the duties of their employment;

(2) licensed hunters or fishermen, while engaged in hunting or fishing;

(3) private detectives licensed by the state to carry the firearm involved, while actually engaged in the duties of their employment;

(4) detectives or special agents regularly employed by railroad companies or other corporations to perform full-time security or investigative service, while actually engaged in the duties of their employment;

(5) the state fire marshal, the state fire marshal's deputies or any member of a fire department authorized to carry a firearm pursuant to K.S.A. 31-157 and amendments thereto, while engaged in an investigation in which such fire marshal, deputy or member is authorized to carry a firearm pursuant to K.S.A. 31-157 and amendments thereto; or

(6) special deputy sheriffs described in K.S.A. 19-827, and amendments thereto, who have satisfactorily completed the basic course of instruction required for permanent appointment as a part-time law enforcement officer under K.S.A. 74-5607a and amendments thereto.

(d) Subsections (a)(1), (6) and (7) shall not apply to any person who sells, purchases, possesses or carries a firearm, device or attachment which has been rendered unserviceable by steel weld in the chamber and marriage weld of the barrel to the receiver and which has been registered in the national firearms registration and transfer record in compliance with 26 U.S.C. 5841 et seq. in the name of such person and, if such person transfers such firearm, device or attachment to another person, has been so registered in the transferee's name by the transferor.

(e) Subsection (a)(8) shall not apply to a governmental laboratory or solid plastic bullets.

(f) Subsection (a)(6) shall not apply to a law enforcement officer who is:

(1) Assigned by the head of such officer's law enforcement agency to a tactical unit which receives specialized, regular training;

(2) designated by the head of such officer's law enforcement agency to possess devices described in subsection (a)(6); and

(3) in possession of commercially manufactured devices which are: (A) Owned by the law enforcement agency; (B) in such officer's possession only during specific operations; and (C) approved by the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives of the United States department of justice.

(g) Subsections (a)(6), (7) and (8) shall not apply to any person employed by a laboratory which is certified by the United States department of justice, national institute of justice, while actually engaged in the duties of their employment and on the premises of such certified laboratory. Subsections (a)(6), (7) and (8) shall not affect the manufacture of, transportation to or sale of weapons to such certified laboratory.

(h) Subsection (a)(4) shall not apply to any person carrying a concealed weapon as authorized by K.S.A. 2008 Supp. 75-7c01 through 75-7c17, and amendments thereto.

(i) Subsections (a)(6) and (7) shall not apply to or affect any person or entity in compliance with the national firearms act, 26 U.S.C. 5801 et seq.

(j) It shall be a defense that the defendant is within an exemption.

(k) Violation of subsections (a)(1) through (a)(5) is a class A nonperson misdemeanor. Violation of subsection (a)(6), (a)(7) or (a)(8) is a severity level 9, nonperson felony.

(l) As used in this section, "throwing star" means any instrument, without handles, consisting of a metal plate having three or more radiating points with one or more sharp edges and designed in the shape of a polygon, trefoil, cross, star, diamond or other geometric shape, manufactured for use as a weapon for throwing.

History: L. 1969, ch. 180, § 21-4201; L. 1978, ch. 365, § 1; L. 1981, ch. 145, § 1; L. 1982, ch. 135, § 2; L. 1982, ch. 136, § 1; L. 1986, ch. 126, § 1; L. 1992, ch. 298, § 67; L. 1993, ch. 291, § 146; L. 1996, ch. 149, § 4; L. 1999, ch. 164, § 12; L. 2002, ch. 123, § 3; L. 2004, ch. 83, § 1; L. 2006, ch. 32, § 20; L. 2008, ch. 103, § 2; July 1.

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So basically Title II weapons which are legal but require registration in KS are as follows.
Short barreled rifles
Short barreled shotguns
AOW (any other weapon)
other AOW's including true pen guns
Destructive Devices including 40mm grenade launchers

This is the best place to start with if anyone is unfamiliar with the process or laws. I could post the actual NFA act of 1934 but I think you can just google that and save me the page space.

Some other useful links from the class 3 section here on arfcom.

Setting up trust for NFA

SBR faq

NFA faq online BATFE forms and more

NFA at 18

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METALMAN Joined Aug 2002 Posts 741 EE 100% (3) KS, USA	Posted: 3/7/2008 5:31:15 PM EDT [#9] Heres a better pic of Spectre556's thumper!

KS_Physicist Member Joined Apr 2003 Posts 7398 EE 0% (0) KS, USA	Posted: 3/31/2008 12:25:35 AM EDT [#10] I had no idea that ANY of these were legal. I thought it was all verboten here. Live and learn! :)
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78FORDF150 Joined Jan 2005 Posts 36 EE 100% (7) KS, USA	Posted: 3/31/2008 12:13:27 PM EDT [#12] I just got my sheriff to sign of for my sbr. Bob Odell Cowley co Just went in and talked to his secretary and told her I had some forms from ATF I needed signed by the sheriff. She took them and came back about five minutes later with them signed. It was to easy. I hope the wait isn't to long. I can't wait.

Scorch05 Member Joined Sep 2004 Posts 1069 EE 100% (13) KS, USA	Posted: 4/21/2008 6:06:15 PM EDT [#17] I think an update is in order considering the law that just passed.
	Originally Posted By Dave_A: The effectiveness of the WEAPON is generally not an issue...The biggest problem with any weapons system is 'Operator Headspace' & Timing...

Scorch05 Member Joined Sep 2004 Posts 1091 EE 100% (13) KS, USA	Posted: 4/22/2008 2:54:45 AM EDT [#19] When do they go into effect btw
	Originally Posted By Dave_A: The effectiveness of the WEAPON is generally not an issue...The biggest problem with any weapons system is 'Operator Headspace' & Timing...

Radiolucent Member Joined May 2007 Posts 421 EE 100% (1) KS, USA	Posted: 4/22/2008 2:12:49 PM EDT [#21] Does anyone in Wichita have any NFA items? Or does anyone know the CLEO will sign the paperwork?

AngeredKabar Joined Nov 2007 Posts 3066 EE 0% (0) FL, USA	Posted: 4/23/2008 8:40:23 PM EDT [#24] Any word on Harvey County?

45BArmorer Joined Feb 2005 Posts 118 EE 0% (0) KS, USA	Posted: 5/24/2008 7:07:46 AM EDT [#28] Does anyone know if Topeka / Shawnee county will sign or not?

Stubs Joined Nov 2007 Posts 34 EE 100% (5) KS, USA	Posted: 11/19/2008 7:07:36 PM EDT [#31] What is the exact form number for a form 1. I'd like to order one but am having trouble picking out what i need to order from the ATF website. Thanks

CitySlicker Member Joined Mar 2005 Posts 11122 EE 100% (9) KS, USA	Posted: 2/21/2009 11:40:33 AM EDT [Last Edit: CitySlicker] [#33] Can we compile a list of Kansas dealers that handle NFA transfers?
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spectre556 Member Joined Apr 2005 Posts 1395 EE 100% (3) KS, USA	Posted: 2/23/2009 1:43:48 AM EDT [Last Edit: spectre556] [#34] Originally Posted By CitySlicker: Can we compile a list of Kansas dealers that handle NFA transfers? Off the top of my head: Darin Reiss FFL/SOT in Haysville, KS Darrel at D9firearms.com Overland Park KS DavesterAR here on arfcom Dave Gilmore FFL/SOT Leawood, Kansas Feel free to add anyone else you know
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davesterAR Joined Mar 2007 Posts 34 EE 100% (1) KS, USA	Posted: 2/28/2009 9:26:17 PM EDT [#36] Thanks for mentioning my name. I can be reached at [email protected] 913-488-1459 if I can answer any questions or be of service RE your NFA needs. I have a table at the Overland Park Convention Center gun show tomorrow 3/29/09 as well. Dave Gilmore FFL/SOT Leawood, Ks.

Elliot_308 Joined Oct 2008 Posts 63 EE 100% (1) USA	Posted: 5/27/2009 11:21:39 PM EDT [#39] I know that if you are a MO resident, that only FFL holders can possess ANY NFA item. All the MO guys get C&R licenses and are good to go. No trusts for them though. I don't know how that applies to someone in another state coming in or passing through.

kensteele Joined Nov 2002 Posts 738 EE 100% (2) KS, USA	Posted: 6/1/2009 9:27:23 PM EDT [#41] ok, the instructions seem straightforward and the price is right, i'll give the c&r a try. appreciate it.

kchustle Joined Oct 2008 Posts 8 EE 0% (0) KS, USA	Posted: 7/10/2009 12:57:35 PM EDT [#42] So can I buy a suppressor now or what? Seeing as how I am not an attorney, I prefer to not interpret things on my own. From what I have been told, July 1 was the magical date. I would like very much to not look like an ass if I start talking to someone about this particular subject!!

IA71 Joined Apr 2007 Posts 34 EE 0% (0) IA, USA	Posted: 1/26/2010 4:38:50 AM EDT [#44] I will be moving to Wichita soon. If I understand the information posted here correctly I will also be getting a suppressor and maybe a SBR!!!! That being said, what government office do I contact to begin the process, is there maybe a website or outline of the process somewhere? And does anyone know any NFA/Class III dealers in the Wichita area?

Lothbrok Don't tax me bro! Joined Jul 2006 Posts 8455 EE 100% (38) KS, USA	Posted: 2/7/2010 12:55:03 PM EDT [#46] Any C3 dealers in the Overland Park area? Looking for a suppressor transfer or to buy one from a stocking dealer if the price is right.
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1MAC Member Joined Apr 2009 Posts 194 EE 100% (8) KS, USA	Posted: 2/7/2010 5:22:31 PM EDT [#47] Originally Posted By andrasik: Any C3 dealers in the Overland Park area? Looking for a suppressor transfer or to buy one from a stocking dealer if the price is right. Dave Gilmore is in Leawood, known here on ARFCOM as DavesterAR. An excellent guy to deal with.