 S_A_C 
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Posted: 9/14/2011 1:28:23 AM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT  If one were to visit what would be the legality's of having a non-restricted class firearm in the hotel room for defense?
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Posted: 9/15/2011 6:55:45 PM
Why don't you just visit CA without worrying about having a firearm with you?
CA compared to the USA is a extremely safe place to live and the chance of you running into trouble on vacation is virtually non-existant. CA is a calm and peaceful country, enjoy your vacation without self-defense worries. I've lived on both sides of CA and never had any trouble (even while being in some of the "rougher" areas that locals would avoid). |
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Posted: 9/16/2011 12:34:43 PM
my windows get smashed nad tires cut every time i go to canada (3 to 4 times a year) the first time i drove my "nice" truck up there for comfort.. Now I use my beater. this way I am only out 15 bucks.
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Posted: 9/17/2011 4:41:28 PM
Originally Posted By BoatGunner:
my windows get smashed nad tires cut every time i go to canada (3 to 4 times a year) the first time i drove my "nice" truck up there for comfort.. Now I use my beater. this way I am only out 15 bucks. Where in Canada are you going? |
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Posted: 9/18/2011 8:17:28 PM
Originally Posted By maleante:
Why don't you just visit CA without worrying about having a firearm with you? CA compared to the USA is a extremely safe place to live and the chance of you running into trouble on vacation is virtually non-existant. CA is a calm and peaceful country, enjoy your vacation without self-defense worries. I've lived on both sides of CA and never had any trouble (even while being in some of the "rougher" areas that locals would avoid). So nothing can EVER happen in Canada?, it's some kind of mythical dell where nothing bad can ever happen, where criminals don't exist? If you expect trouble would you not simply not go there?, you can be attacked any time, any where including "good" areas so why would you want to go defenseless? Since you don't know when, or where an attack will happen is it not logical to be prepared at all times? I bet you have a spare tire in your car are you expecting a flat today?, you may have a fire extinguisher in your kitchen, are you expecting a fire? It it better to have it, and not need it than need it, and not have it. It's the same reason I carry anywhere. When Suzanna Gratia Hupp went to Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen Texas on October 16, 1991 she wasn't expecting to be attacked, and by law even though she had a pistol she couldn't bring it in with her. Yet George Pierre Hennard crashed his 1987 Ford Ranger pickup truck through the window then systematically gunned down 23 people, and wounded another 20 before shooting himself. Their were about 80 people in the restaurant at the time, they were just there to eat, not one of them was expecting to be involved in one of the worse mass shooting in American History. So was it "unnecessary" for any of them to be able to defend themselves, just because they weren't expecting to have to? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIeyn0-rdx4 Luby's Massacre |
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Posted: 9/22/2011 5:40:05 PM
I went to Vancover Island and then into British Columbia. We stayed in Surry and then went up to Alaska. stayed at places right off the hwy.
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Posted: 9/22/2011 9:02:29 PM
[Last Edit: 9/22/2011 9:03:06 PM by Sslous]
Originally Posted By BoatGunner:
I went to Vancover Island and then into British Columbia. We stayed in Surry and then went up to Alaska. stayed at places right off the hwy. was it in surrey your vehicle was trashed? That place is  |
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Posted: 9/23/2011 8:58:14 PM
Originally Posted By S_A_C: I saw the sticky at the top, but it confused me, I know the odds of Canada ever going shall issue are basically non existent, but the sticky said muzzle loaders and "primitive ignition systems" are not firearms so would it be theoretically legal to carry a cap and ball revolver? Not planning on it, it just got my interests because I never knew you had the "antique" rule like we did, and now I'm curious. If one were to visit what would be the legality's of having a non-restricted class firearm in the hotel room for defense?Although eventually you might get found not guilty of carrying a concealed weapon in court..you can rest assured when someone saw it and called the police about a man with a gun..you'd be going for a drive.. |
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Posted: 9/25/2011 2:45:29 PM
[Last Edit: 9/25/2011 7:26:18 PM by maleante]
nvm
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Posted: 9/28/2011 1:20:22 PM
Originally Posted By Striker:
Originally Posted By S_A_C:
I saw the sticky at the top, but it confused me, I know the odds of Canada ever going shall issue are basically non existent, but the sticky said muzzle loaders and "primitive ignition systems" are not firearms so would it be theoretically legal to carry a cap and ball revolver? Not planning on it, it just got my interests because I never knew you had the "antique" rule like we did, and now I'm curious. If one were to visit what would be the legality's of having a non-restricted class firearm in the hotel room for defense?Although eventually you might get found not guilty of carrying a concealed weapon in court..you can rest assured when someone saw it and called the police about a man with a gun..you'd be going for a drive.. The Cap And Ball thing, or the hotel thing? |
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Posted: 9/29/2011 10:48:13 PM
Originally Posted By S_A_C: carrying it concealed. A street cop most likely isn't going to know from a glance that it is a black powder "non firearm" and he / she is going to react like it is indeed a handgun...Originally Posted By Striker: Although eventually you might get found not guilty of carrying a concealed weapon in court..you can rest assured when someone saw it and called the police about a man with a gun..you'd be going for a drive.. The Cap And Ball thing, or the hotel thing? even if you can convince them it isn't legally a handgun (which you won't unless you have a copy of the firearms act in your back pocket) you are still going to be arrested and held until they can sort it out.. |
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Posted: 10/4/2011 5:17:33 PM
Originally Posted By Striker:
Originally Posted By S_A_C:
carrying it concealed. A street cop most likely isn't going to know from a glance that it is a black powder "non firearm" and he / she is going to react like it is indeed a handgun...
Originally Posted By Striker:
Although eventually you might get found not guilty of carrying a concealed weapon in court..you can rest assured when someone saw it and called the police about a man with a gun..you'd be going for a drive.. The Cap And Ball thing, or the hotel thing? even if you can convince them it isn't legally a handgun (which you won't unless you have a copy of the firearms act in your back pocket) you are still going to be arrested and held until they can sort it out.. But it is technically legal? |
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Posted: 10/4/2011 5:59:22 PM
[Last Edit: 10/4/2011 6:01:26 PM by Striker]
Originally Posted By S_A_C: nope. Our law doesn't differentiate between a firearm or a piece of pipe. It falls under carrying a concealed weapon. But it is technically legal? (1) Every person commits an offense who carries a
weapon, a prohibited device or any prohibited ammunition concealed,
unless the person is authorized under the Firearms Act to carry it concealed.
Punishment (2) Every person who commits an offense under subsection (1) (a) is guilty of an indictable offense and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years; or (b) is guilty of an offense punishable on summary conviction. Our wonderful firearms act deems an antique to not be a firearm..unless you break the law..IE carrying it concealed.. (3) For the purposes of sections 91 to 95, 99 to 101, 103 to 107 and 117.03 of this Act and the provisions of the Firearms Act the following weapons are deemed not to be firearms: (a) any antique firearm; (3.1) Notwithstanding subsection (3), an antique firearm is a firearm for the purposes of regulations made under paragraph 117(h) of the Firearms Act and subsection 86(2) of this Act. 86(2)(2) Every person commits an offence who contravenes a regulation made under paragraph 117(h) of the <cite classFirearms Act
respecting the storage, handling, transportation, shipping, display,
advertising and mail-order sales of firearms and restricted weapons. So..in a nut shell..carry an old cap and ball revolver concealed and you are breaking the law..gt caught..go to jail. |
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Posted: 10/4/2011 6:08:51 PM
Originally Posted By Striker:
Originally Posted By S_A_C:
nope. Our law doesn't differentiate between a firearm or a piece of pipe. It falls under carrying a concealed weapon.
But it is technically legal? (1) Every person commits an offense who carries a weapon, a prohibited device or any prohibited ammunition concealed, unless the person is authorized under the Firearms Act to carry it concealed.
Punishment
(2) Every person who commits an offense under subsection (1)
(a) is guilty of an indictable offense and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years; or
(b) is guilty of an offense punishable on summary conviction.
Our wonderful firearms act deems an antique to not be a firearm..unless you break the law..IE carrying it concealed.. (3) For the purposes of sections 91 to 95, 99 to 101, 103 to 107 and 117.03 of this Act and the provisions of the Firearms Act the following weapons are deemed not to be firearms:
(a) any antique firearm; (3.1) Notwithstanding subsection (3), an antique firearm is a firearm for the purposes of regulations made under paragraph 117(h) of the Firearms Act and subsection 86(2) of this Act. 86(2)
(2) Every person commits an offence who contravenes a regulation made under paragraph 117(h) of the <cite classFirearms Act respecting the storage, handling, transportation, shipping, display, advertising and mail-order sales of firearms and restricted weapons. So..in a nut shell..carry an old cap and ball revolver concealed and you are breaking the law..gt caught..go to jail. What about open? |
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Posted: 10/4/2011 7:13:39 PM
Originally Posted By S_A_C: What about open? same end result..it will just happen faster!  |
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Posted: 10/5/2011 6:22:50 PM
Originally Posted By Striker:
Originally Posted By S_A_C:
What about open? same end result..it will just happen faster!
I figured as much, I just couldn't resist the thought of a loophole. |
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Posted: 10/5/2011 6:45:11 PM
Originally Posted By S_A_C: well..unless your trip involves traipsing around the yukon or Nunavut...Originally Posted By Striker: same end result..it will just happen faster! I figured as much, I just couldn't resist the thought of a loophole. |
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Posted: 10/5/2011 7:26:20 PM
Originally Posted By Striker:
Originally Posted By S_A_C:
well..unless your trip involves traipsing around the yukon or Nunavut...Originally Posted By Striker:
same end result..it will just happen faster!
I figured as much, I just couldn't resist the thought of a loophole.
No generaly I don't go any farther than Windsor, though I once went to Drumheller. |
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Posted: 10/6/2011 3:56:33 PM
Originally Posted By S_A_C: Oh really..did you stay in the crowbar hotel? Originally Posted By Striker: well..unless your trip involves traipsing around the yukon or Nunavut... No generaly I don't go any farther than Windsor, though I once went to Drumheller. |
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Posted: 10/8/2011 5:40:48 PM
Originally Posted By Striker:
Originally Posted By S_A_C:
Oh really..did you stay in the crowbar hotel? Originally Posted By Striker:
well..unless your trip involves traipsing around the yukon or Nunavut...
No generaly I don't go any farther than Windsor, though I once went to Drumheller.
In Drumheler? No we stayed in a campground outside Calgary in the Badlands. Went to the Royal Tyrrell Museum, and fossil hunting in the Badlands. Though we were detained by customs for a couple hours, might have been because we were the only car all day, and they were bored. |
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Posted: 10/8/2011 11:21:55 PM
Originally Posted By S_A_C: lol..there is a fed prison in Drum..Originally Posted By Striker: Originally Posted By S_A_C: Oh really..did you stay in the crowbar hotel? Originally Posted By Striker: well..unless your trip involves traipsing around the yukon or Nunavut... No generaly I don't go any farther than Windsor, though I once went to Drumheller.In Drumheler? No we stayed in a campground outside Calgary in the Badlands. Went to the Royal Tyrrell Museum, and fossil hunting in the Badlands. Though we were detained by customs for a couple hours, might have been because we were the only car all day, and they were bored. |
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