Hi everyone, first off not trying to be an ass here I'm honestly curious about this.

I'm going to be moving to NJ soon from Arizona and I've been reading up on the gun "laws" of NJ. It's appalling. What the hell happened to the 2nd amendment in this state? I don't even need a CCW in AZ to carry concealed...in NJ I have to plead with a judge and seems that only the chosen few even get considered for a ccw.

From looking at a few local websites for ranges and stores it seems like they're more interested in enforcing these cucked laws and rating out any potential violators.

So what happened? How on earth did it get to this point? Is it all north Jersey liberal scumbags? Is anyone fighting for the 2nd amendment inJersey!?!

Until several months ago, the state of New Jersey never recognized the Second Amendment as an individual right. Second Amendment rights have been denied the people of this state for more than a hundred  years. The state of New Jersey believes the population needs to be controlled, and denying rights is the number 1 way they accomplish it.
If you have the opportunity to move to Delaware or Pennsylvania and commute to work or school give that some thought. If not, welcome to the People's Socialist Republic of Nazi Jerseystahn.

Thanks for the reply, that's sobering for sure.

I'm committed to NJ for a year but I'm desperately trying to convince the family to move to PA long term. It's extremely frustrating going from a free State like AZ that has amazing gun rights and a strong gun culture to some where like NJ.

It's a pretty long drawn-out answer, but one of the biggest driving factors is the lack of recognition of the 2nd Amendment in our state Constitution.  The state last held a Constitutional Convention in 1947, which drafted the current state Constitution, and no mention of the 2nd Amendment was included.  Whether this was intentional or not isn't clear.

Then, in 1966, the FID and pistol permitting systems were introduced.  In 1990, the state Assault Weapons Ban went into effect (and served as the model for the federal ban in 1994 - the language is virtually identical).  In 2008, the one handgun a month law went into effect.


No - there are a few of us here in the Northern half of the state that actually believe in the US Constitution.  About 23, at last count  

I actually saved this to my computer some time back.
It explains perfectly how/why NJ is the way it is. IMO

"Ptlm724  [Team Member]
6/22/2011 11:28:42 PM EDT
New Jersey is the perfect atmosphere for self serving political agendas and corruption and when you have corrupt, self
serving government you also have oppressive and over bearing government. First of all, you have 3 major crime ridden
cities (one in each 3rd of the state; Newark up north, Trenton in the Central and Camden in the South) that all draw
large portions of the tax base in the form of State Discretionary Aid which makes them influential within their counties.
That in turn creates power in the hands of the county governments as well as the senate and house representatives from
those districts. Those members of government get re-elected based on their agendas that are served to them by the special
interests of their cities and districts. Since those cities are the most densely populated, their voices are heard much
louder than citizens of the sub-urban communities that basically house the majority of the blue-collar working class
citizens. What’s worse is that over 50% of those blue collar workers are on the state’s payroll which makes it even
harder to find people that are willing to fight the agendas at the cost of possibly losing their jobs (Police, Fire,
EMS, teachers, Public Works, Streets and Highways, building officals, tax collectors, etc.....).
Secondly, New Jersey is very densely populated and VERY diverse in that population. That leaves a lot of room for
differing opinions and not much room for large groups with the same interests. As they say, the squeaky wheel gets the
grease and since there's really not a large enough contingent of pro-gunners in the state, it’s hard to win battles
against the liberal anti-gun mentality that usually centers and surrounds big cities like NYC and Philadelphia. Large
portions of our white collar population and executive professionals that work in those two cities end up living and more
importantly voting right here in NJ.
It's kind of like the same thought about corruption in government here. It's been going on for so long that the largely
blue collar population has just learned to believe "it is what it is" and have just grown accustomed to it with the
belief that they have no means to change it and that government is too big for them to fight. "

Thanks for posting this, exactly what I was looking for. That's also the sense I've gotten from everything I've looked at, read and heard from talking to people who live in Jersey. It's always defeated acceptance. Disappointing!

Ptlm724 nailed it,  shame he doesn't pop up much anymore.

Burton vs. Sills 1967.

You can start there.


Otherwise, WELCOME TO NEW JERSEY!! IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO RAISE A FAMILY!!!! Where will you be moving? Well, it doesn't really matter the entire state is fantastic!! You'll love it here!!! Don't worry about the gun laws because New Jersey is so awesome!!!

NJ is a very pretty state, there's still a lot of farmland land. I do actually enjoy taking drives through the countyside here. I hate the cities in this state and do everything to stay out of them.

However, for all it's beauty it still is an ugly place because of its laws, taxes, corruption, over crowding. Pretty lands aren't enough redeeming features. I wish that my plans didn't get ruined because I'd be out of here already.

we have GREAT italian food here







..........almost everything else fucking blows. well, the woods are nice here up north.

What area of NJ are you looking to relocate to ?

Cherry Hill/Voorhees area, my job is going to be in Philly.

I'm looking forward to the climate and having seasons again for sure.

If you're going to working in PA, why even consider living in NJ? Look up NJ income and property taxes compared to PA, that should be reason enough to stay in PA.

From one of OP's posts:  "I'm committed to NJ for a year but I'm desperately trying to convince the family to move to PA long term."

He knows that PA is better.  For whatever reason, as he stated, he's committed to NJ.  Let's not continue to beat him up and tell him what a poor decision that is.  We don't know all the circumstances.  Instead, let's try and help him make the best of a bad situation.

Thanks bud. I know NJ isn't the best choice for numerous reasons but it is what it is for now.

I live in that area.  When you get here hit me up and I'll introduce you to the best gun club in the tri-state area. It's 5 minutes from Voorhees and 10-15 from Cherry Hill.
BTW - traffic in Cherry Hill is a major bitch.  Voorhees is better but more expensive housing.

You left out Gov. McGreevy's "SMART GUN LAW". When and if it ever becomes a reality they will be the only handguns you will be allowed to purchase.

I would look into the suburbs of Gloucester county.  Housing costs are probably lower, traffic is lighter, and it's an easy hop across the bridge to Philadelphia.  You can also take the PATCO speed line into Philly from several spots in south Jersey if you would prefer to ride the train.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/25/appeals-court-blocks-dcs-concealed-carry-law-on-second-amendment-grounds.html

could this be the light WAY at the end of the tunnel? i don't know how then can find our laws constitutional, but not DC's. we need a list of all the people involved with this decision and need to write/email them all, en masse.

Let's hope DC is stupid enough to appeal this ruling to the Supreme Court, as a ruling there upholding the current decision would be binding throughput the country.  By that time, Kennedy will have retired, and possibly Ginsburg as well.

On the downside, this is going to take some of the wind out of the sails of the various National Reciprocity bills, as with this ruling, I can see most Congress-peoples applying for, and receiving, D.C. carry permits.  Since "they have theirs", they'll be less-inclined to push for everybody else.

i'm in the area too.   what gun club are you talking about?