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Posted: 6/18/2017 11:27:12 AM EDT
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Nolo, any news? |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 2:54:00 PM EDT
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Nolo, any news? |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 8:45:42 AM EDT
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SUBCHAPTER 1. FIREARMS PURCHASER IDENTIFICATION CARD AND PERMIT TO PURCHASE A HANDGUN
13:54-1.2 Definitions The words and terms used in this chapter shall have the following meanings: . . . "Stun gun" means any weapon or other device that emits an electrical charge or current intended to temporarily or permanently disable a person. . . . 13:54-1.3 State of New Jersey [Firearms] firearms identification card or permit to purchase a handgun and form of register required; prohibition on sale of certain weapons (a) No person, other than a licensed or registered retail or wholesale dealer, shall receive, purchase, or otherwise acquire a rifle, shotgun, or antique cannon, other than an antique rifle or shotgun, unless that person possesses and exhibits a valid firearms purchaser identification card. No person shall sell, give, transfer, assign, or otherwise dispose of a rifle, shotgun, or antique cannon, other than an antique rifle or shotgun, to a person other than a licensed or registered retail or wholesale dealer, unless the buyer or receiver possesses and exhibits a valid firearms purchaser identification card. No person shall sell, acquire, or possess a sawed-off shotgun. No person shall sell, give, transfer, assign, or otherwise dispose of a stun gun to a person under 18 years of age, and no person under 18 years of age shall receive, purchase, or otherwise acquire a stun gun. (b)-(d) (No change.) SUBCHAPTER 5. MACHINE GUNS, ASSAULT FIREARMS, [AND] LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION MAGAZINES, AND STUN GUNS 13:54-5.8 Possession of a stun gun by a minor No person under 18 years of age shall possess a stun gun. Any stun gun possessed by a person under the age of 18 shall be subject to confiscation by law enforcement. New Regs. Won't go into effect for 60 days |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:25:25 AM EDT
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So the only thing they did was to make possession of a stun gun illegal for minors - otherwise, no regulations on possession?
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:08:03 AM EDT
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If those are the only rules for stun guns in NJ then I'm speechless. Good job Nolo.
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:25:12 AM EDT
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So the only thing they did was to make possession of a stun gun illegal for minors - otherwise, no regulations on possession? 
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Posted: 8/24/2017 3:39:03 PM EDT
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by that "no regulation on possession" statement, does that mean we'd be able to CARRY these for self defense?
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Posted: 8/28/2017 8:42:15 PM EDT
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If those are the only rules for stun guns in NJ then I'm speechless. Good job Nolo. |
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Posted: 8/29/2017 2:27:57 PM EDT
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If those are the only rules for stun guns in NJ then I'm speechless. Good job Nolo. King of the ban state gunfolk, King of the legal challenges, Breaker of dumb regulations, Bringer of hope, And Khalassar of of the great free-state sea Is he Azor Ahai, the lawyer who was promised?  
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Posted: 9/5/2017 7:36:51 AM EDT
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SUBCHAPTER 1. FIREARMS PURCHASER IDENTIFICATION CARD AND PERMIT TO PURCHASE A HANDGUN 13:54-1.2 Definitions The words and terms used in this chapter shall have the following meanings: . . . "Stun gun" means any weapon or other device that emits an electrical charge or current intended to temporarily or permanently disable a person. . . . 13:54-1.3 State of New Jersey [Firearms] firearms identification card or permit to purchase a handgun and form of register required; prohibition on sale of certain weapons (a) No person, other than a licensed or registered retail or wholesale dealer, shall receive, purchase, or otherwise acquire a rifle, shotgun, or antique cannon, other than an antique rifle or shotgun, unless that person possesses and exhibits a valid firearms purchaser identification card. No person shall sell, give, transfer, assign, or otherwise dispose of a rifle, shotgun, or antique cannon, other than an antique rifle or shotgun, to a person other than a licensed or registered retail or wholesale dealer, unless the buyer or receiver possesses and exhibits a valid firearms purchaser identification card. No person shall sell, acquire, or possess a sawed-off shotgun. No person shall sell, give, transfer, assign, or otherwise dispose of a stun gun to a person under 18 years of age, and no person under 18 years of age shall receive, purchase, or otherwise acquire a stun gun. (b)-(d) (No change.) SUBCHAPTER 5. MACHINE GUNS, ASSAULT FIREARMS, [AND] LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION MAGAZINES, AND STUN GUNS 13:54-5.8 Possession of a stun gun by a minor No person under 18 years of age shall possess a stun gun. Any stun gun possessed by a person under the age of 18 shall be subject to confiscation by law enforcement. New Regs. Won't go into effect for 60 days |
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Posted: 9/6/2017 8:42:30 AM EDT
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too bad..they just charged a guy in a nearby town with possession of a stun gun |
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Posted: 9/17/2017 7:42:47 AM EDT
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Telephonic hearing set for 9/26/2017. NJ agreed to pay our legal fees. In April. Still won't pay. Even after we agreed on amount in June. So, we invited the court to assist.
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Posted: 9/17/2017 9:48:53 AM EDT
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Can Arfcom sit in on the phone call?
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Posted: 9/17/2017 11:02:32 AM EDT
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Can Arfcom sit in on the phone call? 
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:57:23 PM EDT
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i'll give an update after tomorrow morning's call
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Posted: 9/26/2017 6:17:25 PM EDT
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No news is good news?
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Posted: 9/27/2017 4:22:10 PM EDT
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No news is good news? |
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Posted: 9/29/2017 9:51:31 AM EDT
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So the regulations specifically mention "stun guns". Does that mean that actual projectile dart/probe tasers would not be legal under these new regulations?
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Posted: 9/29/2017 10:25:51 AM EDT
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So the regulations specifically mention "stun guns". Does that mean that actual projectile dart/probe tasers would not be legal under these new regulations? t."Stun gun" means any weapon or other device which emits an electrical charge or current intended to temporarily or permanently disable a person. Nolo correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like both Tasers and contact stun devices should meet that definition. |
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Posted: 10/1/2017 11:38:16 PM EDT
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2C:39-1 t."Stun gun" means any weapon or other device which emits an electrical charge or current intended to temporarily or permanently disable a person. Nolo correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like both Tasers and contact stun devices should meet that definition. |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 1:18:02 PM EDT
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taser is a brand name |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 1:26:51 PM EDT
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That is true, but people commonly refer to projectile stun guns as "tasers", and contact stun guns as "stun guns". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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taser is a brand name |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 3:12:33 PM EDT
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They have the patent, no other company can even make one |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 3:20:37 PM EDT
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They do have a patent, but it's not true that no other company can make projectile stun guns. Check out the PhaZZer brand. There aren't many alternatives to Taser, but they do exist. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They have the patent, no other company can even make one |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 3:36:52 PM EDT
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They sued Phazzer and won |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 8:17:31 PM EDT
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I just checked and you are right. PhaZZer is still selling and promoting their brand oddly enough. I guess they are going to get into even more trouble. 
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Posted: 10/24/2017 4:46:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2017 6:04:23 PM EDT
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thank you for all your hard work!!!
.......but how can the ban on owning/carrying stun guns be unconstitutional, but the law banning carrying firearms NOT be unconstitutional? seriously---i know jack shit about the law, but this sounds retarded at best.
(oh, and fuck NJ. just figured i'd beat TheTallest to that one LOL) |
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Posted: 10/24/2017 7:29:12 PM EDT
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thank you for all your hard work!!! .......but how can the ban on owning/carrying stun guns be unconstitutional, but the law banning carrying firearms NOT be unconstitutional? seriously---i know jack shit about the law, but this sounds retarded at best. Nolo - that about right?
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Posted: 10/24/2017 9:52:16 PM EDT
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Thanks Nolo!
So what does the NJHTF recommend for a first stun gun? |
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Posted: 10/25/2017 4:54:28 PM EDT
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http://nj1015.com/nj-residents-will-soon-be-able-to-legally-own-stun-guns/
News article from today THANKS NOLO!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 10/25/2017 6:39:57 PM EDT
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So wait a minute... what's this crap:
Porrino’s office said the State Police were tasked with developing regulations that would prohibit the guns from being sold to or owned by people under the age of 18. Those rules, the attorney general’s office said, will likely go into effect in December. |
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Posted: 10/25/2017 6:57:02 PM EDT
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So wait a minute... what's this crap: I thought those rules were in effect now, as the memo from the AG detailed. Or does the above just mean that by December, the NJAC will be updated to reflect what is already in effect now as per the AG's memo? 
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Posted: 10/25/2017 8:21:38 PM EDT
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So wait a minute... what's this crap: I thought those rules were in effect now, as the memo from the AG detailed. Or does the above just mean that by December, the NJAC will be updated to reflect what is already in effect now as per the AG's memo? |
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Posted: 10/25/2017 10:27:11 PM EDT
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So I guess I won't be driving out the Pennsylvania just yet to buy my stun gun.
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Posted: 10/25/2017 11:58:29 PM EDT
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So I guess I won't be driving out the Pennsylvania just yet to buy my stun gun. Some websites have even been updated showing them legal in NJ now. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 8:01:31 AM EDT
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Fuck it - I will. I'll be carrying an official "Get Out of Jail Free" card - the AG's memo. Some websites have even been updated showing them legal in NJ now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So I guess I won't be driving out the Pennsylvania just yet to buy my stun gun. Some websites have even been updated showing them legal in NJ now. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 11:49:55 AM EDT
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I’d keep a copy of the consent order as well.
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Posted: 10/29/2017 2:52:18 PM EDT
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I’d keep a copy of the consent order as well. |
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Posted: 10/29/2017 8:55:42 PM EDT
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And just as I was about to leave NJ after this case, I get drug back in again.
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Posted: 10/29/2017 9:26:28 PM EDT
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And just as I was about to leave NJ after this case, I get drug back in again. Looks like we're going to get a D governor soon. Dumb marxist fucks will probably put us on a path to CA/NY/CT status. Probably 10rd mags, "no features", no grandfathering. "Help us Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're our only hope" 
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Posted: 10/29/2017 10:19:34 PM EDT
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And just as I was about to leave NJ after this case, I get drug back in again. |
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Posted: 2/17/2018 8:01:09 PM EDT
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@NoloContendere
Have you seen A5324 yet? curious to hear your thoughts: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2018/Bills/A2500/2133_I1.HTM They seriously want to require a permit for stun guns and limit purchases to 1 a month, you can't make this shit up
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Posted: 2/17/2018 8:37:03 PM EDT
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@NoloContendere Have you seen A5324 yet? curious to hear your thoughts: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2018/Bills/A2500/2133_I1.HTM They seriously want to require a permit for stun guns and limit purchases to 1 a month, you can't make this shit up |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 8:53:15 PM EDT
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@NoloContendere Have you seen A5324 yet? curious to hear your thoughts: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2018/Bills/A2500/2133_I1.HTM They seriously want to require a permit for stun guns and limit purchases to 1 a month, you can't make this shit up Did anyone think they were going to let us defend ourselves? Did anyone think they would actually relinquish any of their power? Do you know why nobody here will admit if they bought tasers or if they carry them? I do. Everyone knows if they get caught with one, at best they're looking at a few days in county lockup and maybe a not guilty ruling after a long and expensive trial. At worst they're looking at 5 years in PMITA prison and a revocation of their rights as free men. Those are some considerably terrifying consequences for a 9 volt battery and some copper wire. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 10:06:46 AM EDT
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Why would this surprise anyone? This was the next illogical step. Force them to unban stun guns, they move to treat them the same way they treat firearms. I called it months ago. Did anyone think they were going to let us defend ourselves? Did anyone think they would actually relinquish any of their power? Do you know why nobody here will admit if they bought tasers or if they carry them? I do. Everyone knows if they get caught with one, at best they're looking at a few days in county lockup and maybe a not guilty ruling after a long and expensive trial. At worst they're looking at 5 years in PMITA prison and a revocation of their rights as free men. Those are some considerably terrifying consequences for a 9 volt battery and some copper wire. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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@NoloContendere Have you seen A5324 yet? curious to hear your thoughts: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2018/Bills/A2500/2133_I1.HTM They seriously want to require a permit for stun guns and limit purchases to 1 a month, you can't make this shit up Did anyone think they were going to let us defend ourselves? Did anyone think they would actually relinquish any of their power? Do you know why nobody here will admit if they bought tasers or if they carry them? I do. Everyone knows if they get caught with one, at best they're looking at a few days in county lockup and maybe a not guilty ruling after a long and expensive trial. At worst they're looking at 5 years in PMITA prison and a revocation of their rights as free men. Those are some considerably terrifying consequences for a 9 volt battery and some copper wire. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 11:06:53 AM EDT
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Heh, I said the same things as you did about the stun guns too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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@NoloContendere Have you seen A5324 yet? curious to hear your thoughts: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2018/Bills/A2500/2133_I1.HTM They seriously want to require a permit for stun guns and limit purchases to 1 a month, you can't make this shit up Did anyone think they were going to let us defend ourselves? Did anyone think they would actually relinquish any of their power? Do you know why nobody here will admit if they bought tasers or if they carry them? I do. Everyone knows if they get caught with one, at best they're looking at a few days in county lockup and maybe a not guilty ruling after a long and expensive trial. At worst they're looking at 5 years in PMITA prison and a revocation of their rights as free men. Those are some considerably terrifying consequences for a 9 volt battery and some copper wire. 
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Posted: 2/21/2018 8:33:17 PM EDT
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Tom, it's not surprising because it is the simplest solution to the "problem." They already have the framework in place, the onerous regulations and paperwork, the ambiguous carry ban, etc. Simply swipe the pen to add "or taser" to the firearm code, vote, pass, sign, and voila no more "problem."
Now onto the BRB. Just scratch out that 2 and make it a 1. Vote, pass, sign, and voila no more black rifles. The semi auto ban will be the tricky one. But I imagine they'll try. It'll just take a little longer to make sure the legalese is airtight. Although with our dumbass in chief dropping bump stock bans like it's 1968 maybe it won't be so hard after all. You all better watch your fingers and belt loops, they may end up banned too. There is literally nothing standing in their way. At least in NY they had to payoff a few RINOs to openly betray the poor bastards. Not here. No need. Vote, pass, well you get the picture. |
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Posted: 2/22/2018 8:27:27 AM EDT
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Tom, it's not surprising because it is the simplest solution to the "problem." They already have the framework in place, the onerous regulations and paperwork, the ambiguous carry ban, etc. Simply swipe the pen to add "or taser" to the firearm code, vote, pass, sign, and voila no more "problem." Now onto the BRB. Just scratch out that 2 and make it a 1. Vote, pass, sign, and voila no more black rifles. The semi auto ban will be the tricky one. But I imagine they'll try. It'll just take a little longer to make sure the legalese is airtight. Although with our dumbass in chief dropping bump stock bans like it's 1968 maybe it won't be so hard after all. You all better watch your fingers and belt loops, they may end up banned too. There is literally nothing standing in their way. At least in NY they had to payoff a few RINOs to openly betray the poor bastards. Not here. No need. Vote, pass, well you get the picture. |
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