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Posted: 1/8/2015 9:24:33 AM EDT
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Ray the politicians are afraid of Antis, they are not afraid of us Quote HistoryQuoted:
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remember standing out in the freezing rain in trenton with about 2500 other people to protest Changes in the firearms laws, and for our efforts the L&PS Committe put forward IIRC 27 NEW Law reccomendations.  How about the time Mainor wanted to let people speak against the bill... AFTER they voted on it?! 
Or how about the "everybody gets 2 minutes" to state their case. Pro-gunners got 2 minutes exactly. Anti's got 3 to 5 minutes AND if you spoke up about it they threw you out (2 people were "escorted" out of "the people's hall" by the troopers for speaking up). I WAS THERE with my 2 boys 4 rows back so they could get a good idea of what "government in action" was like and it left a bad taste in their mouths to say the least. RW3  Ray the politicians are afraid of Antis, they are not afraid of us Interesting.... should you bludgeon them with the same "stick" they would use that stick against you. The brave new world.... FUQ QUE! 
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Posted: 1/8/2015 11:44:42 AM EDT
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Interesting.... should you bludgeon them with the same "stick" they would use that stick against you. The brave new world.... FUQ QUE!
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remember standing out in the freezing rain in trenton with about 2500 other people to protest Changes in the firearms laws, and for our efforts the L&PS Committe put forward IIRC 27 NEW Law reccomendations. How about the time Mainor wanted to let people speak against the bill... AFTER they voted on it?!
Or how about the "everybody gets 2 minutes" to state their case. Pro-gunners got 2 minutes exactly. Anti's got 3 to 5 minutes AND if you spoke up about it they threw you out (2 people were "escorted" out of "the people's hall" by the troopers for speaking up). I WAS THERE with my 2 boys 4 rows back so they could get a good idea of what "government in action" was like and it left a bad taste in their mouths to say the least. RW3 Ray the politicians are afraid of Antis, they are not afraid of us Interesting.... should you bludgeon them with the same "stick" they would use that stick against you. The brave new world.... FUQ QUE!
Owning page THREE! - Simple fact is that they KNOW we are divided...the majority of the Gun Owners (Approx 1 Million is the estimate out of 8 million population) are "Sportsmen" ie Hunters, who really DONT think that the regulations we operate under here are Onerous. Then you have groups like NJ Outdoor Alliance who undercut NJ2AS and ANJRPC on a routine basis by Supporting ANTIGUN politicians to their membership. As long as they make sure to target "Non-Sporting" guns, they know that their opposition will be much smaller. Its when the screw up, as with the .50 Cal ban under Corzine that would have affected ALL .50 Cal firearms, Centerfire AND Muzzleloader, that suddenly the "Community" comes together as a whole and gets things done. As long as we are divided, we're fooked, and we're stuck relying on the courts to get changes made, because the Legislature knows they can safely ignore us as a political Entity. |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 12:21:17 PM EDT
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Simple fact is that they KNOW we are divided...the majority of the Gun Owners (Approx 1 Million is the estimate out of 8 million population) are "Sportsmen" ie Hunters, who really DONT think that the regulations we operate under here are Onerous. Then you have groups like NJ Outdoor Alliance who undercut NJ2AS and ANJRPC on a routine basis by Supporting ANTIGUN politicians to their membership. As long as they make sure to target "Non-Sporting" guns, they know that their opposition will be much smaller. Its when the screw up, as with the .50 Cal ban under Corzine that would have affected ALL .50 Cal firearms, Centerfire AND Muzzleloader, that suddenly the "Community" comes together as a whole and gets things done. As long as we are divided, we're fooked, and we're stuck relying on the courts to get changes made, because the Legislature knows they can safely ignore us as a political Entity. People only care when it directly affects them. That is why the despots can stay in power. |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 12:38:58 PM EDT
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People only care when it directly affects them. That is why the despots can stay in power. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Simple fact is that they KNOW we are divided...the majority of the Gun Owners (Approx 1 Million is the estimate out of 8 million population) are "Sportsmen" ie Hunters, who really DONT think that the regulations we operate under here are Onerous. Then you have groups like NJ Outdoor Alliance who undercut NJ2AS and ANJRPC on a routine basis by Supporting ANTIGUN politicians to their membership. As long as they make sure to target "Non-Sporting" guns, they know that their opposition will be much smaller. Its when the screw up, as with the .50 Cal ban under Corzine that would have affected ALL .50 Cal firearms, Centerfire AND Muzzleloader, that suddenly the "Community" comes together as a whole and gets things done. As long as we are divided, we're fooked, and we're stuck relying on the courts to get changes made, because the Legislature knows they can safely ignore us as a political Entity. People only care when it directly affects them. That is why the despots can stay in power. When Corzine started up the OGAm nonsense, i spoke with a bunch of people..a few wrote letters and made calls, the rest, some of them handgun owners said some version of "Why would anyone ever need to buy more than one handgun a month????" 
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Posted: 1/8/2015 12:51:59 PM EDT
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When Corzine started up the OGAm nonsense, i spoke with a bunch of people..a few wrote letters and made calls, the rest, some of them handgun owners said some version of "Why would anyone ever need to buy more than one handgun a month????" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Simple fact is that they KNOW we are divided...the majority of the Gun Owners (Approx 1 Million is the estimate out of 8 million population) are "Sportsmen" ie Hunters, who really DONT think that the regulations we operate under here are Onerous. Then you have groups like NJ Outdoor Alliance who undercut NJ2AS and ANJRPC on a routine basis by Supporting ANTIGUN politicians to their membership. As long as they make sure to target "Non-Sporting" guns, they know that their opposition will be much smaller. Its when the screw up, as with the .50 Cal ban under Corzine that would have affected ALL .50 Cal firearms, Centerfire AND Muzzleloader, that suddenly the "Community" comes together as a whole and gets things done. As long as we are divided, we're fooked, and we're stuck relying on the courts to get changes made, because the Legislature knows they can safely ignore us as a political Entity. People only care when it directly affects them. That is why the despots can stay in power. When Corzine started up the OGAm nonsense, i spoke with a bunch of people..a few wrote letters and made calls, the rest, some of them handgun owners said some version of "Why would anyone ever need to buy more than one handgun a month????" It is not my need, it is my right, I picked up 5 one day when I got my permits. They had waited a few months for me. What happened to one gun NICS only and no permits required? |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 9:54:19 PM EDT
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Not to toot my own horn her.......but I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO damn glad I managed to get out while my son was still young so he could get to see the night and day difference between totalitarian rule and relative freedom and independence. Hell the state legislature is about to take up a bill to bring back firearm safety training as a mandated curriculum in the public schools ......
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Posted: 1/8/2015 11:32:14 PM EDT
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It is not my need, it is my right, I picked up 5 one day when I got my permits. They had waited a few months for me. What happened to one gun NICS only and no permits required? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Simple fact is that they KNOW we are divided...the majority of the Gun Owners (Approx 1 Million is the estimate out of 8 million population) are "Sportsmen" ie Hunters, who really DONT think that the regulations we operate under here are Onerous. Then you have groups like NJ Outdoor Alliance who undercut NJ2AS and ANJRPC on a routine basis by Supporting ANTIGUN politicians to their membership. As long as they make sure to target "Non-Sporting" guns, they know that their opposition will be much smaller. Its when the screw up, as with the .50 Cal ban under Corzine that would have affected ALL .50 Cal firearms, Centerfire AND Muzzleloader, that suddenly the "Community" comes together as a whole and gets things done. As long as we are divided, we're fooked, and we're stuck relying on the courts to get changes made, because the Legislature knows they can safely ignore us as a political Entity. People only care when it directly affects them. That is why the despots can stay in power. When Corzine started up the OGAm nonsense, i spoke with a bunch of people..a few wrote letters and made calls, the rest, some of them handgun owners said some version of "Why would anyone ever need to buy more than one handgun a month????" It is not my need, it is my right, I picked up 5 one day when I got my permits. They had waited a few months for me. What happened to one gun NICS only and no permits required? My record was six He Who Shall Not be Named was really good after OGAM about holding stuff for me |
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Posted: 1/9/2015 4:52:20 AM EDT
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I miss he who shall not be named, I ordered online first then found how close he was to me, too bad he got deported by LD
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:48:23 PM EDT
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I miss he who shall not be named, I ordered online first then found how close he was to me, too bad he got deported by LD I still order from him time to time. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 8:47:26 AM EDT
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I still order from him time to time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I miss he who shall not be named, I ordered online first then found how close he was to me, too bad he got deported by LD I still order from him time to time. I check his site, I may need more neutered magazines |
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